Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-19 Thread Joao Moreira
jim feldman wrote:
 Like others have said, you were probably better off to have done this
 while scanning using either xsane or vuescan (not open source, but a
 pretty good scanner prog).  I'm surprised whatever s/w you were using
 didn't give you the option when you told it you were scanning color negs. 
   
I have an HP LaserJet 3057, and I just did Acquire in the gimp... but 
maybe
the option was there, I don't remember. I'll try that again, though.

I'd like to thank Alex for the link to www.c-f-systems.com, they have a 
paper
there, called Negative to positive, that seems to explain it all. But 
it is
definitely NOT simple !

Thanks all,
Joao

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-19 Thread jim feldman
Joao Moreira wrote:
 jim feldman wrote:
   
 Like others have said, you were probably better off to have done this
 while scanning using either xsane or vuescan (not open source, but a
 pretty good scanner prog).  I'm surprised whatever s/w you were using
 didn't give you the option when you told it you were scanning color negs. 
   
 
 I have an HP LaserJet 3057, and I just did Acquire in the gimp... but 
 maybe
 the option was there, I don't remember. I'll try that again, though.

 I'd like to thank Alex for the link to www.c-f-systems.com, they have a 
 paper
 there, called Negative to positive, that seems to explain it all. But 
 it is
 definitely NOT simple !

 Thanks all,
 Joao

   
Isn't that a multifunction reflective scanner?  I didn't know it did
transparencies.  I believe you were probably using the xsane plugin for
the gimp to do the scan.  It probably didn't prompt you for film type
since it didn't think you would be scanning film on that model.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-18 Thread Claus Cyrny
Owen wrote:
 Or do I need to code a plugin, and if so, what exactly is the operation 
 to be done
 (in terms of RGB) ?
 



 Image-Layers-Colors-Invert ?
   

Actually it's not that easy, because the film contains a mask (yellow 
red), which has to be filtered out.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-18 Thread jim feldman
Claus Cyrny wrote:
 Owen wrote:
 Or do I need to code a plugin, and if so, what exactly is the operation 
 to be done
 (in terms of RGB) ?
 



 Image-Layers-Colors-Invert ?
   

 Actually it's not that easy, because the film contains a mask (yellow 
 red), which has to be filtered out.

 Claus
And different films have different masks.  Kodak is different from Fuji.

Like others have said, you were probably better off to have done this
while scanning using either xsane or vuescan (not open source, but a
pretty good scanner prog).  I'm surprised whatever s/w you were using
didn't give you the option when you told it you were scanning color negs. 

jim
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[Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Joao Moreira
Hi,

I just took some photos negatives (memories from the pre-digital days 
:-) and
put them on my flat bed scanner. So now I have a color image of these 
negatives
in the gimp, so how do I go about turning them into a positive ?

I would expect this to be a very simple operation, like a subtraction, 
on each
pixel, right ? does this exist ? is there a tool/filter that does this ?

Or do I need to code a plugin, and if so, what exactly is the operation 
to be done
(in terms of RGB) ?

Thanks,
Joao

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Axel Wernicke
Hi,

unfortunately it is not that easy, because not only have you to  
invert the colors, but to subtract the brown color from the film  
strip also. I'm not sure, but my first guess would be that this is  
not easily done in GIMP.

Greetings, lexA


Am 17.04.2007 um 22:02 schrieb Joao Moreira:

 Hi,

 I just took some photos negatives (memories from the pre-digital days
 :-) and
 put them on my flat bed scanner. So now I have a color image of these
 negatives
 in the gimp, so how do I go about turning them into a positive ?

 I would expect this to be a very simple operation, like a subtraction,
 on each
 pixel, right ? does this exist ? is there a tool/filter that does  
 this ?

 Or do I need to code a plugin, and if so, what exactly is the  
 operation
 to be done
 (in terms of RGB) ?

 Thanks,
 Joao

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 22:58 +0200, Axel Wernicke wrote:

 unfortunately it is not that easy, because not only have you to  
 invert the colors, but to subtract the brown color from the film  
 strip also. I'm not sure, but my first guess would be that this is  
 not easily done in GIMP.

It should be easy though to write a plug-in that does this. One just
needs to figure out the right values. Perhaps there are ICC color
profiles for common brands of negatives that could help with this task?


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Axel Wernicke

Am 17.04.2007 um 23:16 schrieb Sven Neumann:

 Hi,

 On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 22:58 +0200, Axel Wernicke wrote:

 unfortunately it is not that easy, because not only have you to
 invert the colors, but to subtract the brown color from the film
 strip also. I'm not sure, but my first guess would be that this is
 not easily done in GIMP.

 It should be easy though to write a plug-in that does this. One just
 needs to figure out the right values. Perhaps there are ICC color
 profiles for common brands of negatives that could help with this  
 task?


There are some papers, so there is a solution :)

http://www.c-f-systems.com/PhotoMathDocs.html

Just somebody needed to implement it :) And yes there is a  
Photoshop Plug-in already.

just my 2c lexA


 Sven



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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Owen
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:02:51 +0200
Joao Moreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just took some photos negatives (memories from the pre-digital days 
 :-) and
 put them on my flat bed scanner. So now I have a color image of these 
 negatives
 in the gimp, so how do I go about turning them into a positive ?
 
 I would expect this to be a very simple operation, like a subtraction, 
 on each
 pixel, right ? does this exist ? is there a tool/filter that does this ?
 
 Or do I need to code a plugin, and if so, what exactly is the operation 
 to be done
 (in terms of RGB) ?



Image-Layers-Colors-Invert ?



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Re: [Gimp-user] Photos negatives scanned into the gimp

2007-04-17 Thread Jeffrey Brent McBeth
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 11:16:28PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 22:58 +0200, Axel Wernicke wrote:
 
  unfortunately it is not that easy, because not only have you to  
  invert the colors, but to subtract the brown color from the film  
  strip also. I'm not sure, but my first guess would be that this is  
  not easily done in GIMP.
 
 It should be easy though to write a plug-in that does this. One just
 needs to figure out the right values. Perhaps there are ICC color
 profiles for common brands of negatives that could help with this task?

XSane maintains a list of known values.  Actually, most scanning software
(including XSane) will fix it for you if you tell  it you are scanning a
negative.
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