Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 07:09 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part of it for e.g. you to read up on it. The picture just is not as clear-cut as you seem to believe. We had a workflow in Gimp that actually caused people to lose their work. We fixed it. There is no way we're going to reintroduce it, Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. just due to some people reacting negatively to the change, This is not the subject. I like changes, I hate habits, they are unproductive. while simultaneously questioning our common sense. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 11:30 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote: I too have ranted about this topic. Not to get into it again, I would like to point out a couple of things: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. 2. This is not a show-stopper in any sense of the word. and sorta 3. Someone has created some sort of script which restores the original behavior. I have not tried it and I probably won't. No, it doesnt restores the original behavior it's different Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, maderios wrote: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files Not arbitrarily, but on purpose and by design. May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you apologize later anyway? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you apologize later anyway? Hi Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary The distinction isn't arbitrary. It's a design decision. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary arbitrary = depending on individual discretion It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images. They stay with their own arbitrary ideas. This vertical organization is a general problem in the world. Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store the results of these operations). This behaviour is exactly the same as your wordprocessor refusing to save to PDF. PDF (like standard image types) is absolutely perfect for distribution, but I suppose you too don't save longer texts to PDF while working on them? I agree that for some small documents that I just want to archive, I remove the original word processor file afterwards, and I do that for some XCF files too. It's a little overhead for small changes to an image, but a real improvement for the images you are really working on. I know that in previous versions it was possible to use the Save a copy function (which I used), but the new behaviour makes it impossible to make a mistake while saving (making you lose all operations without warning you). So from now on, I can concentrate on the image, without worrying about saving the right way. If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., but please stop spamming this otherwise very useful mailing list. Everybody knows you and some other users don't like it, everybody knows some users (including me) do like it and the developers clearly explained the research and the reasons for this decision. Best regards, Maarten ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:55 PM, EyeLand wrote: Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP? Mmm... Photo files in EPS? That's a novel thing :) Depends of the operating system you are on. Any clues? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote: maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store the results of these operations). It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html Set file saving preferences http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp-user-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17
I have many logo files in eps and I want to convert all in jpg. MS Windows 7 SP1 x86 2012/9/11 gimp-user-list-requ...@gnome.org Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:33 +0400 From: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files Message-ID: cafjkzc3ks87hh2gvbhm4qtfq5ca48vejdj+s5rgcijh7xcy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:55 PM, EyeLand wrote: Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP? Mmm... Photo files in EPS? That's a novel thing :) Depends of the operating system you are on. Any clues? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 05:05 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote: On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: My word processor responds to control-s by saving the open document in its own native format, which does not happen to be suitable for distribution to end users. [etc] Which word processor might that be? Open Office saves to ODT. If you keep editing and re-saving documents in an undocumented format with Libre Office, eventually you will encounter a very annoying problem due to progressive corruption of the internal markup code. Inkscape does not do this. Inkscape saves in SVG format. Lots of luck getting that to display in software that expects raster image files. I'm no troll. I see both sides of the issue. But don't put out stuff that isn't true. So please, which word processor(s) are you talking about? Which vector editor are you talking about? No comment, other than own petard, etc. /trollfeeding :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 11:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Author's blog In few words: mainline GIMP is an XCF editor, not an image editor. My version is an image editor. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/242 Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: On a Microsoft platform, you should be able to install Imagemagick in Cygwin - if it's worth the bother. Since you have a lof of files to process, it probably will be. Steve, This is an overkill. Just install Phatch ;) http://photobatch.stani.be/download/index.html Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
* maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html Set file saving preferences http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a You are absolutely correct. It is even more simple than you espouse: *You* are free to use fotoshot and pay the piper. And you will never notice another problem with gimp, and we will not have to continually delete your posts. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
That's good news! I wish that effort all success. On 9/11/2012 2:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] problem with openraster plugin in GIMP 2.8.2
GIMP creates a file with .ora extension, but it's, obviously, corrupted -
MyPaint, Krita and GIMP itself
won't recognize it as such ('unknown file extension' kind of error
messages).
GIMP 2.8.2, Windows-64bit here.
My old ORA files created with MyPaint and Krita or 2.6/2.8.0 versions of
GIMP load without problem.
Plugin itself can be ruled out as a culprit, for I have swapped it around.
Is anybody else having the same problem or is it just me?
Windows, Linux users? Mac OS? GIMP 2.8.2 version only.
Any feedback in this regard will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
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Nik O.
Никита Омуль
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Re: [Gimp-user] problem with openraster plugin in GIMP 2.8.2
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Nik Omul wrote: Is anybody else having the same problem or is it just me? Windows, Linux users? Mac OS? GIMP 2.8.2 version only. GIMP 2.8.2, Linux, 32bit, loads its own ORA files just fine. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
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[Gimp-user] [Mac] 2.8.2 - UFRAW
Please point me to instructions on how to install the UFRAW plugin for the Mac native version of GIMP (2.8.2). I have searched, but everything I find says that UFRAW is included with Mac builds of GIMP. This seems to be true for versions that run under X11, but not for the native build. -- Buadhai (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] [Mac] 2.8.2 - UFRAW
Please point me to instructions on how to install the UFRAW plugin for the Mac native version of GIMP (2.8.2). I have searched, but everything I find says that UFRAW is included with Mac builds of GIMP. This seems to be true for versions that run under X11, but not for the native build. Never mind. The build available here: http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html includes UFRAW. -- Buadhai (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to justify the current design has been proffered. On 9/11/2012 4:52 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:54 -0700 From: kwarner...@verizon.net To: ofn...@laposte.net CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8 The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to justify the current design has been proffered. You mean the make it a user preference one? To me, the simplest compromise is to simply tweak the existing dialog message from an I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that message to an OK/Cancel prompt, to which the only dev response was to label it fudging. Yes, it sort of is, but that's what compromise is about, right? But perhaps a better thing to remember is that when the devs refer to safe and unsafe workflows, I think these are meant to be terms with precise technical meanings and NOT a value judgement on whether the person is using GIMP correctly. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
