Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
On Saturday 21 July 2007, Asif Lodhi wrote: > Hi, > > On 7/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... While this is a > > major draw back with gimp I understand the need is recognised and > > will hopefully be remedied in the near future. When that happens > > gimp will be laying the foundation for an entry into the > > professional arena. > > Though I haven't followed this thread from the start and don't know > who said what on which issue but I do want to suggest you to try > Cinepaint (16-bit Gimp) for 16-bit - it's here: > >http://www.cinepaint.org/ > > -- > HTH, > > Asif IMO it is already a professional level product for web images. But it still lags other free products with repect to color model, color profiles and conformance to printing standards like X3. So it is not a fully satisfactory replacement to commercial products for publishers. Work is proceeding in this area but the color model problem is a difficult nut to crack apparently. -- John Culleton ATTN Publishers/authors: If you don't read you don't succeed. Free short list of publishing/marketing books. http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
Hi, On 7/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... While this is a major draw > back with gimp I > understand the need is recognised and will hopefully be remedied in the near > future. When that happens gimp will be laying the foundation for an entry > into the professional arena. Though I haven't followed this thread from the start and don't know who said what on which issue but I do want to suggest you to try Cinepaint (16-bit Gimp) for 16-bit - it's here: http://www.cinepaint.org/ -- HTH, Asif ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
On Friday 20 July 2007 00:26:00 Matthias Bodenbinder wrote: > Am Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:52:58 +0100 schrieb David Marrs: > > David Southwell wrote: > >> Anyone... > >> Finally does anyone have a handle on the timeframe for 2.4?? > > > > Not really. I think you'll just have to be patient. > > > > Incidentally, unless you've got a pro camera and lens, a high quality, > > properly calibrated monitor and a very good printer, I really don't think > > you're going to benefit from the extra bit depth. Probably you know this > > already but I suspect many people out there are under the mistaken > > impression that they're losing quality if they use Gimp when really > > they're not. > > David, > > this is not quite true. Even without calibrated equipment you can benefit > a lot from 16bit color depth. Simply because the picture contains more > information. If you want to brighten a dark area of a picture for example. > The 8 bit picture does not reveal details in that area and it remains dark > resp. grey. But the 16bit picture will reveal details in that area which > do not even exist in the 8bit picture.. This is simply a matter of > information density and has nothing to do with color calibration. > > Matthias > Hi Matthias I agree with you - David Marrs has missed the point. 16 bit color depth provides far more detail and noone who is producing high quality professional photographic images for their clients would consider working with 8 bit rather than 16bit depth. The work produced at 8bit would be laughed at by discriminating clients. While this is a major draw back with gimp I understand the need is recognised and will hopefully be remedied in the near future. When that happens gimp will be laying the foundation for an entry into the professional arena. Until that happens it is a very useful piece that does not compete at the professional level with the default industry standard (photoshop). david > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
Am Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:52:58 +0100 schrieb David Marrs: > David Southwell wrote: >> Anyone... >> Finally does anyone have a handle on the timeframe for 2.4?? >> > Not really. I think you'll just have to be patient. > > Incidentally, unless you've got a pro camera and lens, a high quality, > properly > calibrated monitor and a very good printer, I really don't think you're going > to > benefit from the extra bit depth. Probably you know this already but I > suspect > many people out there are under the mistaken impression that they're losing > quality if they use Gimp when really they're not. David, this is not quite true. Even without calibrated equipment you can benefit a lot from 16bit color depth. Simply because the picture contains more information. If you want to brighten a dark area of a picture for example. The 8 bit picture does not reveal details in that area and it remains dark resp. grey. But the 16bit picture will reveal details in that area which do not even exist in the 8bit picture.. This is simply a matter of information density and has nothing to do with color calibration. Matthias > > For a while I've been using Gimp in preference to Cinepaint because I felt > that > 8bpc was good enough and well worth the tiny sacrifice in quality for the > massive gains in usability. But I was surprised to learn from a pro > photographer > friend recently that he forces his Photoshop down to 8-bits because, even > with > his set-up, he couldn't see the difference in quality. And he makes the > reasonable point that he doesn't want to be manipulating bits he can't see. > > --- Scanned by M+ Guardian Messaging Firewall --- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
Brian Vanderburg II wrote: > I frequently use the GIMP for patterns/fractals that are to be used as > height fields. For this, it would be nice if 16bit gray scale was > available. I figure GIMP will eventually have 16bit support. > Same here. there are instances when it would be nice to use graphics tools on 16 bit height fields. scott s. . ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
I frequently use the GIMP for patterns/fractals that are to be used as height fields. For this, it would be nice if 16bit gray scale was available. I figure GIMP will eventually have 16bit support. B. Vanderburg II David Marrs wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > >> Anyone... >> Finally does anyone have a handle on the timeframe for 2.4?? >> >> > Not really. I think you'll just have to be patient. > > Incidentally, unless you've got a pro camera and lens, a high quality, > properly > calibrated monitor and a very good printer, I really don't think you're going > to > benefit from the extra bit depth. Probably you know this already but I > suspect > many people out there are under the mistaken impression that they're losing > quality if they use Gimp when really they're not. > > For a while I've been using Gimp in preference to Cinepaint because I felt > that > 8bpc was good enough and well worth the tiny sacrifice in quality for the > massive gains in usability. But I was surprised to learn from a pro > photographer > friend recently that he forces his Photoshop down to 8-bits because, even > with > his set-up, he couldn't see the difference in quality. And he makes the > reasonable point that he doesn't want to be manipulating bits he can't see. > > --- Scanned by M+ Guardian Messaging Firewall --- > > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
David Southwell wrote: > Anyone... > Finally does anyone have a handle on the timeframe for 2.4?? > Not really. I think you'll just have to be patient. Incidentally, unless you've got a pro camera and lens, a high quality, properly calibrated monitor and a very good printer, I really don't think you're going to benefit from the extra bit depth. Probably you know this already but I suspect many people out there are under the mistaken impression that they're losing quality if they use Gimp when really they're not. For a while I've been using Gimp in preference to Cinepaint because I felt that 8bpc was good enough and well worth the tiny sacrifice in quality for the massive gains in usability. But I was surprised to learn from a pro photographer friend recently that he forces his Photoshop down to 8-bits because, even with his set-up, he couldn't see the difference in quality. And he makes the reasonable point that he doesn't want to be manipulating bits he can't see. --- Scanned by M+ Guardian Messaging Firewall --- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
On Sunday 08 July 2007 08:05:45 Kim Johansson wrote: > Then it seems like it will come some day. ;) > > http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/UserFaq#head-455dd92a98eee71c3c35de7fd48065e75d3c >92ca > > 2007/7/8, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > * David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-08-07 10:33]: > > > Is there any chance of Gimp supporting 16 bit color in the near > > > future? or is it doomed to be limited to 8 bit which is not really > > > suitable for manipulating high quality digital images? > > > > Answered in the wiki. > > -- Patrick Thanks -- actually before posting I had tried a search on the wiki for 16 bit but got the search engine gave me no results - however- before I had a chance to ask you where on earth I could find it Kim pointed me in the right direction. Thanks anyway. Kim Thanks very much being so helpful and pointing me precisely in the right direction.. it is appreciated. Anyone... Finally does anyone have a handle on the timeframe for 2.4?? David Y ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
Then it seems like it will come some day. ;) http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/UserFaq#head-455dd92a98eee71c3c35de7fd48065e75d3c92ca 2007/7/8, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: * David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-08-07 10:33]: > Is there any chance of Gimp supporting 16 bit color in the near > future? or is it doomed to be limited to 8 bit which is not really > suitable for manipulating high quality digital images? Answered in the wiki. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
* David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-08-07 10:33]: > Is there any chance of Gimp supporting 16 bit color in the near > future? or is it doomed to be limited to 8 bit which is not really > suitable for manipulating high quality digital images? Answered in the wiki. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] 16 Bit files
Hi Is there any chance of Gimp supporting 16 bit color in the near future? or is it doomed to be limited to 8 bit which is not really suitable for manipulating high quality digital images? David Southwell ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
