Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber g...@drmicha.warpmail.net wrote: Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38: On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote: Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. It goes further back than that. Suum cuique pulchrum est (To each his own is a beautiful thing) is a latin phrase said to be used frequently in the roman senate when senators politely agreed to disagree and let a vote decide the outcome rather than debating further. Please don't let the twisted views of whatever nazi idiot thought it meant you may have the wrong faith and therefore deserve to die, so you shall pollute it. The original meaning is both poetic and democratic, and I firmly believe most people have the original meaning to the fore of their mind when using it. After all, very few people knowingly quote nazi concentration camp slogans. In fact, many German terms and words are forbidden area since Nazi times, but I don't think this one carries the same connotation. But that is a side track. Collaboration (and code review is a form of collaboration) requires communication. The linked code of conduct pages describe quite well how to ensure a productive environment in which everyone feels comfortable communicating and collaborating. Yes, but that's assuming we want everyone to feel comfortable communicating and collaborating. I put everyone in quotes because you can never reach 100%, so everyone means almost everyone. Undeniably, the answers in this and the other threads show that on the git mailing list, everyone wants everyone to feel comfortable communicating and collaborating. I cite again the example of the Linux kernel, where certainly not everyone feels that way. But somehow It's a different list with different standards and tone, so it doesn't really matter for our list. That being said: they manage to be perhaps the most successful software project in history. And I would argue even more: it's _because_ not everyone feels comfortable, it's because ideas and code are criticized freely, and because only the ones that do have merit stand. If you are able to take criticism, and you are not emotionally and personally attacked to your code and your ideas, you would thrive in this environment. If you don't want your precious little baby code to fight against the big guys, then you shouldn't send it out to the world. For one thing, contributors on the kernel list are open to technical arguments, and that includes the arguments of others; just like we are here. On the other hand, you seem to rebuke any (most) technical argument in harsh words as if it were a personal attack; at least that's how your answers come across to me (and apparently others). That really makes it difficult for most of us here to argue with you technically, which is a pity. That lack of openness for the arguments of others would make your life difficult on the kernel list also. A completely different issue is that of language. You talk German on a German list and English on an international list. You talk kernel English on the kernel list, which is full of words and phrases you would never use in a normal social setting where you talk to people in person; it would be completely unacceptable. Here on the Git list, we prefer to talk like in a normal, albeit colloquial social setting. If you're open for advice: just imagine talking to the people here in person, to colleagues across your desk, and you have a good guideline. And no, using the same or similar language does not make us the same at all. Using the same language is the natural prerequisite for successful communication. Felipe, please try to see the efforts many of us are making here in order to keep you as a contributor, and reward it by accepting the advice to revise your language: colleague to colleague. Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber g...@drmicha.warpmail.net wrote: Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber g...@drmicha.warpmail.net wrote: Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38: On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote: Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. It goes further back than that. Suum cuique pulchrum est (To each his own is a beautiful thing) is a latin phrase said to be used frequently in the roman senate when senators politely agreed to disagree and let a vote decide the outcome rather than debating further. Please don't let the twisted views of whatever nazi idiot thought it meant you may have the wrong faith and therefore deserve to die, so you shall pollute it. The original meaning is both poetic and democratic, and I firmly believe most people have the original meaning to the fore of their mind when using it. After all, very few people knowingly quote nazi concentration camp slogans. In fact, many German terms and words are forbidden area since Nazi times, but I don't think this one carries the same connotation. But that is a side track. Collaboration (and code review is a form of collaboration) requires communication. The linked code of conduct pages describe quite well how to ensure a productive environment in which everyone feels comfortable communicating and collaborating. Yes, but that's assuming we want everyone to feel comfortable communicating and collaborating. I put everyone in quotes because you can never reach 100%, so everyone means almost everyone. Undeniably, the answers in this and the other threads show that on the git mailing list, everyone wants everyone to feel comfortable communicating and collaborating. And that might be a mistake. Because everyone doesn't include the people that are able to put personal differences aside, and concentrate on technical merits. I cite again the example of the Linux kernel, where certainly not everyone feels that way. But somehow It's a different list with different standards and tone, so it doesn't really matter for our list. That being said: If you don't want to take into consideration what the most successful software project in history does... up to you. they manage to be perhaps the most successful software project in history. And I would argue even more: it's _because_ not everyone feels comfortable, it's because ideas and code are criticized freely, and because only the ones that do have merit stand. If you are able to take criticism, and you are not emotionally and personally attacked to your code and your ideas, you would thrive in this environment. If you don't want your precious little baby code to fight against the big guys, then you shouldn't send it out to the world. For one thing, contributors on the kernel list are open to technical arguments, and that includes the arguments of others; just like we are here. On the other hand, you seem to rebuke any (most) technical argument in harsh words as if it were a personal attack; at least that's how your answers come across to me (and apparently others). That really makes it difficult for most of us here to argue with you technically, which is a pity. That lack of openness for the arguments of others would make your life difficult on the kernel list also. It doesn't. And I don't. There is no lack of openness from my part. I hear all technical arguments, and I reply on a technical basis. The problem seems to be is that you expect the code submitted to be criticized, but not the criticism it receives. IOW; the submitter has to put up with anything anybody says about his/her code and ideas, but the *reviewer* is untouchable; the submitter cannot ever criticize the reviewer. I can tell you that doesn't happen in the Linux kernel; the review process is a _discussion_, not a one-way communication, and discussions can be heated up, but the end result is better code, *both* sides are open to criticism, the submitter, *and* the reviewer. It seems to me that you think in the git mailing list the submitter should never put in question the criticism of the reviewer. If that's not the case, show me a single instance when I rebuke technical arguments in *harsh* words... perhaps, you think any rebuking is harsh. Specifically, show me an instance were *I* was harsh, and the reviewer was not. If you cannot show instances of this, then your statement that I rebuke harshly doesn't stand; I rebuke, that's all. A completely different issue is that of language. You talk German on a German list and English on an international list. You talk kernel English on the kernel list,
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote: Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. It goes further back than that. Suum cuique pulchrum est (To each his own is a beautiful thing) is a latin phrase said to be used frequently in the roman senate when senators politely agreed to disagree and let a vote decide the outcome rather than debating further. Please don't let the twisted views of whatever nazi idiot thought it meant you may have the wrong faith and therefore deserve to die, so you shall pollute it. The original meaning is both poetic and democratic, and I firmly believe most people have the original meaning to the fore of their mind when using it. After all, very few people knowingly quote nazi concentration camp slogans. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.erics...@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38:
On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each
his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For
that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical
half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas
chamber when someone uses this proverb.
It goes further back than that.
Suum cuique pulchrum est (To each his own is a beautiful thing) is
a latin phrase said to be used frequently in the roman senate when
senators politely agreed to disagree and let a vote decide the outcome
rather than debating further.
Please don't let the twisted views of whatever nazi idiot thought it
meant you may have the wrong faith and therefore deserve to die, so you
shall pollute it. The original meaning is both poetic and democratic,
and I firmly believe most people have the original meaning to the fore
of their mind when using it. After all, very few people knowingly quote
nazi concentration camp slogans.
In fact, many German terms and words are forbidden area since Nazi
times, but I don't think this one carries the same connotation.
But that is a side track.
Collaboration (and code review is a form of collaboration) requires
communication. The linked code of conduct pages describe quite well how
to ensure a productive environment in which everyone feels comfortable
communicating and collaborating. But even reading pages like these
requires a common sense (of the many undefined terms therein), a sense
which is usually present here on the list, and thus renders a page like
these unnecessary for us. Once there is a lack of commonality, there is
a lack of agreement about those undefined terms (what constitutes a
personal attack etc.).
Consequently, the only practical test for commonality and community
acceptance appears to be just that: commonality and community
acceptance. If many people in a community consider a tone or formulation
offensive, then it is offensive by the very definition of common sense
(common to that community), and there's no point at all in arguing about
it. If I don't like a community's sense I either deal with it or leave it.
It's really not that different from coding style. If we prefer
if (cond) {
over
if (cond)
{
then you either do it that way or your code gets rejected. The
difference is that coding style is easier to define, of course. The
common thing is that there's no point in arguing about it.
Michael
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Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber g...@drmicha.warpmail.net wrote: Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38: On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote: Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. It goes further back than that. Suum cuique pulchrum est (To each his own is a beautiful thing) is a latin phrase said to be used frequently in the roman senate when senators politely agreed to disagree and let a vote decide the outcome rather than debating further. Please don't let the twisted views of whatever nazi idiot thought it meant you may have the wrong faith and therefore deserve to die, so you shall pollute it. The original meaning is both poetic and democratic, and I firmly believe most people have the original meaning to the fore of their mind when using it. After all, very few people knowingly quote nazi concentration camp slogans. In fact, many German terms and words are forbidden area since Nazi times, but I don't think this one carries the same connotation. But that is a side track. Collaboration (and code review is a form of collaboration) requires communication. The linked code of conduct pages describe quite well how to ensure a productive environment in which everyone feels comfortable communicating and collaborating. Yes, but that's assuming we want everyone to feel comfortable communicating and collaborating. I cite again the example of the Linux kernel, where certainly not everyone feels that way. But somehow they manage to be perhaps the most successful software project in history. And I would argue even more: it's _because_ not everyone feels comfortable, it's because ideas and code are criticized freely, and because only the ones that do have merit stand. If you are able to take criticism, and you are not emotionally and personally attacked to your code and your ideas, you would thrive in this environment. If you don't want your precious little baby code to fight against the big guys, then you shouldn't send it out to the world. Junio mentioned technical merit, and I believe for that open and _honest_ communication is more important than making everyone feel comfortable. And FWIW I don't feel comfortable expressing my opinion any more, because even if I criticize ideas and code on a *technical* basis, I'm assumed to be referencing Nazism and whatnot without any regards of what my original intentions were, or what I actually said, and definitely not assuming good faith. And when asked for clarification of what exactly that I said was offensive, I get no clear answer. The dangers of everyone following the same style of communication, and making everyone feel comfortable, is that everyone ends up being the same kind of people, and the ones that don't fit the definition of everyone feel like outsiders, or outright leave the project. And you end up with an homogeneous group of people incapable of criticizing each other honestly (on a technical basis), whether it's because of lack of a different perspective, or unwillingness to speak openly, or difficulty in finding the right polite words. I've seen many projects fall into this, and erode with time, since nothing important actually happens, and real deep issues within the code or the community get ignored. Anyway, I've yet to find what was actually wrong in the words I said. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Am 01.11.2012 03:58, schrieb Felipe Contreras: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote: It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own. In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words. But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list? Agreed, and no. We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one. Just for the record, what exactly is the problem with the above? 1) The fact that I say it's obvious 2) The fact that I say everyone is entitled to their own opinions Obviousness is in the eye of the beholder. This is a fact that I tend to forget just too easily as well. You probably didn't intend it, but your sentences at the top can be read more like: This is a logical consequence. If you don't understand that, your mental capabilities must be lacking.. That's obviously (ha!) a rude thing to say. Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. No accusations intended, just trying to answer your question from my point of view. René -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:46 PM, René Scharfe rene.scha...@lsrfire.ath.cx wrote: Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. Godwin's Law. That went fast, just one day :) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:46 AM, René Scharfe
rene.scha...@lsrfire.ath.cx wrote:
You probably didn't intend it, but your sentences at the top can be read
more like: This is a logical consequence. If you don't understand that,
your mental capabilities must be lacking.. That's obviously (ha!) a rude
thing to say.
+1
Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own)
Ouch! I sure didn't know that. Thanks for that tidbit. Working with
people from all over the world always teaches me that I might be
saying the wrong thing... accidentally. And to be tolerant of others'
sayings.
{ To dispel any confusion, no, I am not German. I'm from a big
melting-pot of peoples :-) }
m
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Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:46 PM, René Scharfe rene.scha...@lsrfire.ath.cx wrote: Am 01.11.2012 03:58, schrieb Felipe Contreras: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote: It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own. In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words. But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list? Agreed, and no. We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one. Just for the record, what exactly is the problem with the above? 1) The fact that I say it's obvious 2) The fact that I say everyone is entitled to their own opinions Obviousness is in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes. Other times things are obviously obvious, not for the person uttering the words, but for everyone. But I agree that others would disagree, which is why I followed that sentence to one making sure that I understand that there's a disagreement. This is a fact that I tend to forget just too easily as well. I didn't. And even if I did, what is the problem with saying this is obvious? You probably didn't intend it, but your sentences at the top can be read more like: This is a logical consequence. If you don't understand that, your mental capabilities must be lacking.. That's obviously (ha!) a rude thing to say. People can read things in many ways. If you need to pass every sentence you write in a *technical* mailing list through a public relation professional, well, the throughput of such mailing list is going to suffer. That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to not see that as obvious, but I did NOT *say* anything offensive. Specially because I know people have different perspectives, and the fact that a perspective doesn't allow you to see something obvious doesn't say anything about your mental capabilities, only about your perspectives, biases, or even current mental state. Who knows, maybe you skipped your coffee. To assume otherwise is reading too much into things. Read what is being said, and nothing more. Don't make assumptions. And a guideline I love from Wikipedia: Always assume *good faith*. Sometimes, of course, even if you assume good faith things are offensive. This is not the case here. Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, Jedem das Seine (to each his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. No, I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. Cultural differences go both ways. You need to assume that whatever cultural reference you are thinking of, might not be the same for the other person. Again: assume *good faith*. And in English, and probably most Latin language countries, to each his own is pretty well understood: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/to_each_his_own Etymology A calque of Latin suum cuique, short for suum cuique pulchrum est (“to each his own is beautiful”). Proverb to each his own Every person is entitled to his or her personal preferences and tastes. I would never want my bathroom decorated in chartreuse and turquoise, but to each his own, I suppose. Synonyms there's no accounting for taste For that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence and some people just have to be sent to the gas chamber when someone uses this proverb. I never said anything of the sort, and assuming otherwise is a mistake. If you always assume bad faith you will inevitably get offended by things that were never meant to be offensive. It's not a good guideline. No accusations intended, just trying to answer your question from my point of view. Thanks, but I think if others are thinking along the same lines, this is not good. Following the guideline of always assuming good faith makes it easier for people to communicate, and people not getting hurt when in fact no offense was intended, which it turns out to be most of the time. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Felipe, I'll invite you to reread some of your words: That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to not see that as obvious, (...) Following the guideline of always assuming good faith So perhaps it does apply that you could try to assume good intellectual faith in others. When you wonder what must be going through his mind to not see it as obvious... you should consider hey, maybe I am missing some aspect of this. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Felipe, I'll invite you to reread some of your words: That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to not see that as obvious, (...) Following the guideline of always assuming good faith So perhaps it does apply that you could try to assume good intellectual faith in others. When you wonder what must be going through his mind to not see it as obvious... you should consider hey, maybe I am missing some aspect of this. That's what I did. But even if I didn't, that's not offensive, that only means I made a mistake and it is actually not obvious. But that would be a *technical* mistake. When I feel something is obvious, I say I think this is obvious, when I feel something is obvious to me, but not to others, I say This is obvious to me, when I believe with every fiber of my being that something is obvious with a very low margin of error, not only to me, but to other people, I say this is as obvious as it gets. Of course, there's the possibility that I missed something, there's always that possibility, but even if I did, that would be a *technical* mistake. If you want to discuss the technical aspect of whether or not that is obvious, feel free to comment in the other thread. This one is about netiquette. And I've yet to see what is wrong with saying this is obvious, *specially* if we are assuming good faith from both sides, and both sides have already agreed that there's a disagreement, no insults, no name calling, not ad hominem attacks; simply a disagreement. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, even if it's strongly. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Junio C Hamano wrote: We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one. I think that except for occasional lapses this list stays pretty close to what, for example, the Fedora[1] and Ubuntu[2] codes of conduct require, and what Emily Postnews's guide[3] explains not to do. What's the next step? [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct [3] http://www.templetons.com/brad/emily.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote: It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own. In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words. But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list? Jonathan and I already agreed to disagree, there's nothing wrong with that. To me the above behavior is obviously correct, to him it's not. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, are we not? -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote: It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own. In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words. But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list? Agreed, and no. We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote: It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own. In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words. But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list? Agreed, and no. We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one. Just for the record, what exactly is the problem with the above? 1) The fact that I say it's obvious 2) The fact that I say everyone is entitled to their own opinions I don't think I said anything else. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
