On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:46 PM, René Scharfe
<rene.scha...@lsrfire.ath.cx> wrote:
> Am 01.11.2012 03:58, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano <gits...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schinde...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>>> It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
>>>> In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending
>>>> words.
>>>> But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list?
>>> Agreed, and no.
>>> We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written down
>>> to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and instead
>>> relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so common,
>>> unfortunately, so we may have to have one.
>> Just for the record, what exactly is the problem with the above?
>> 1) The fact that I say it's obvious
>> 2) The fact that I say everyone is entitled to their own opinions
> Obviousness is in the eye of the beholder.

Sometimes. Other times things are obviously obvious, not for the
person uttering the words, but for everyone. But I agree that others
would disagree, which is why I followed that sentence to one making
sure that I understand that there's a disagreement.

> This is a fact that I tend to forget just too easily as well.

I didn't.

And even if I did, what is the problem with saying "this is obvious"?

> You probably didn't intend it, but your sentences at the top can be read
> more like: "This is a logical consequence.  If you don't understand that,
> your mental capabilities must be lacking.".  That's obviously (ha!) a rude
> thing to say.

People can read things in many ways. If you need to pass every
sentence you write in a *technical* mailing list through a public
relation professional, well, the throughput of such mailing list is
going to suffer.

That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to
not see that as obvious, but I did NOT *say* anything offensive.
Specially because I know people have different perspectives, and the
fact that a perspective doesn't allow you to see something obvious
doesn't say anything about your mental capabilities, only about your
perspectives, biases, or even current mental state. Who knows, maybe
you skipped your coffee.

To assume otherwise is reading too much into things. Read what is
being said, and nothing more. Don't make assumptions.

And a guideline I love from Wikipedia: Always assume *good faith*.
Sometimes, of course, even if you assume good faith things are
offensive. This is not the case here.

> Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to each his own)
> was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp.

No, I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

Cultural differences go both ways. You need to assume that whatever
cultural reference you are thinking of, might not be the same for the
other person. Again: assume *good faith*.

And in English, and probably most Latin language countries, "to each
his own" is pretty well understood:


A calque of Latin suum cuique, short for suum cuique pulchrum est (“to
each his own is beautiful”).

to each his own
Every person is entitled to his or her personal preferences and tastes.
I would never want my bathroom decorated in chartreuse and turquoise,
but to each his own, I suppose.

there's no accounting for taste

> For that reason some
> (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence "and some people just
> have to be sent to the gas chamber" when someone uses this proverb.

I never said anything of the sort, and assuming otherwise is a mistake.

If you always assume bad faith you will inevitably get offended by
things that were never meant to be offensive. It's not a good

> No accusations intended, just trying to answer your question from my point
> of view.

Thanks, but I think if others are thinking along the same lines, this
is not good. Following the guideline of always assuming good faith
makes it easier for people to communicate, and people not getting hurt
when in fact no offense was intended, which it turns out to be most of
the time.


Felipe Contreras
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