[OT] Re: Interesting article, games and ugly pants

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
ugly pants carrying Windows laptops around. I must admit I never related ugly pants with Windows laptops. I sense a follow-up study, but firstwhat is the definition of ugly pants? md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Interesting article,

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: Freedom, and low cost, and robustness, and security, and choice, and all that good stuff. s/Linux/MacOSX/ Yes and no. MacOS X certainly has a

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Ben Eisenbraun b...@klatsch.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:12:53PM -0500, Star wrote: There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting Linux as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i think?) There have been some. I

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:  I remember that!  Computers with the hottest graphics hardware on the planet, and Doom still did all rendering in software and just blitted bitmaps to X.  :) Didn't Doom use OpenGL as its engine?  Id is one of the reasons

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: You mean Android right?  Droid is one model of phone using the Android platform.  Yes and no, because... I've read of fragmentation in the Android market.  Exactly.  Droid seems like the first Android phone that's

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:  Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.  :-D  And doesn't use X.  And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java VM. Oh. I didn't know that. I don't have much interest in mobile phone

Re: Will Android draw developers to Linux? (was: Interesting article, games)

2010-03-05 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: BUT: I wonder if maybe Ben isn't talking about it being a `gateway drug' that draws people to platforms that are *technologically similar*, but if he instead is talking about it drawing people to platforms that

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:  Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.  :-D  And doesn't use X.  And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java VM.

Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hi, I am doing some consulting about Why Linux is good for cloud computing (and for that matter Software as a Service (SaaS), which I consider more or less one and the same). I am going to start with the fact that Unix systems were designed (almost) from the beginning to be multi-tasking and

Re: Interesting article,

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote: Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware. Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware and the software together, and

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Brian St. Pierre
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Any other ideas on the topic of Why Linux for Cloud Computing? Virtualization? Any blatant negatives for Linux as a platform? Too many choices. Once you've chosen linux over other options, you've still got a ton of

Re: Interesting article,

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
O.K., I will wade in here. :-) For the most part, Ben is right. Vendors who completely control both hardware and software can make the best products, if your definition of best is a limited market of items, and you are willing to pay for them. MVS, VMS, Digital Unix. Rock solid, stable,

Re: Interesting article,

2010-03-05 Thread David Hardy
Between everyone here I continue to learn a helluva lot about what's going on with Linux vs. everything else, and am always grateful for it, particularly for the input from md and Ben recently. So, while having nothing much to contribute at this time other than congratulations and thanks for such

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/05/2010 02:03 PM, Brian St. Pierre wrote: Virtualization? Yes, and to drive home that point, this is what's being chosen empirically by the extant service providers. Amazon's EC2 is Xen on RHEL. I seem to recall that Rackspace also went this route. And if you don't like Xen on

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 03/05/2010 02:03 PM, Brian St. Pierre wrote: Virtualization? Yes, and to drive home that point, this is what's being chosen empirically by the extant service providers. Amazon's EC2 is Xen on RHEL. I seem to

Re: Interesting article, games

2010-03-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/05/2010 12:36 PM, Thomas Charron wrote: But there's a whole slew of custom-google-glue-and-tweaks, which was disappointing. Yeah, Google likes to grab a project, modify it to its own needs, and throw the code over the wall. Same as happens for Chrome. Tom Callaway at Fedora did

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Virtualization? Well, I did not mention virtualization before, since there are so many answers for virtualization for different operating systems, but there is an element of efficiency in virtualization and Too many choices. A good point, but I think it is overblown for uber cloud computing

Printing across multiple pages?

2010-03-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
Does anybody have a favorite tool for spitting a print job across multiple pages (enlargement to be re-assembled / poor-man's large-format output)? I've tried a few tools which claim to do that, but they've all failed to take a run-of-the-mill PDF chart and turn out working output. Last time

Re: Printing across multiple pages?

2010-03-05 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:18:35PM -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: Does anybody have a favorite tool for spitting a print job across multiple pages (enlargement to be re-assembled / poor-man's large-format output)? I've tried a few tools which claim to do that, but they've all failed to

Re: Linux for 'cloud computing': Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
On Fri, March 5, 2010 3:12 pm, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: It has been some time since I have looked at file systems, and particularly COW file systems, so pardon me if these questions are naive. Any traction to ext3cow or using the COW layering capability of the UDB block driver? Or LVM

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 03/05/2010 02:45 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: Samba works well here. ZFS also has a CIFS server built in that does all the ACLs that Windows needs. But you still have to boot Windows off of a C: block-device, right?

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Tom, Networking Linux can do vlans, VPN, firewalls in the base install. Its very flexible in what you allow to be exposed. AWESOME with the networking mention. The BSD guys often said in the early days that they had a better networking stack, but I am fairly sure that Linux has caught up. :-)

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Bill, ZFS is only on *Solaris and FreeBSD (albeit an old one). Linux doesn't yet have a stable, consistent COW filesystem. Certainly a combination of the two is a great win. It has been some time since I have looked

Re: Printing across multiple pages?

2010-03-05 Thread Bruce Dawson
I assume 'pdftops foo.pdf | pstopnm | pnmscale x | gv -' makes things too grainy. Have you tried scribus or inkscape? I believe one of them (but I forget which) will manipulate .pdf files. --Bruce Bill McGonigle wrote: Does anybody have a favorite tool for spitting a print job across

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Marc Nozell (m...@nozell.com)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: So just like I said RIP to Grace Murray Hopper, I now say RIP to DECnet Linux. There is still some good stuff happening with VMS, for example if you are an hp software partner, you can get ssh access to a virtual machine

Re: Printing across multiple pages?

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
http://lifehacker.com/233563/weekend-project-create-a-poster-from-any-image-with-block-posters http://lifehacker.com/5468489/easy-poster-printer-slices-and-dices-your-posters-for-standard-printers On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Bruce Dawson j...@codemeta.com wrote: I assume 'pdftops foo.pdf

Re: Interesting article

2010-03-05 Thread Ralph Mack
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnsona...@datdec.com wrote: Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware. Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware and the software together, and they'll work well together. And there is something to be

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Mark, There is still some good stuff happening with VMS, for example if you are an hp software partner, you can get ssh access to a virtual machine running OpenVMS 8.4 EFT. I did not mean to imply that there was not good stuff happening with VMSbut VMS is and was not DECnet. Even when I was

Re: Linux for cloud computing: Request for Input

2010-03-05 Thread David Hardy
Also Process Software's MultiNET, which we were using circa '98-2000 at one site here in Vermont. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Mark, There is still some good stuff happening with VMS, for example if you are an hp software partner, you can get ssh

Android questions

2010-03-05 Thread Jerry Feldman
I currently have a Blackberry and will be moving to the Motorola Backflip shortly. The only issue I have is that I have over 400 entries in my Blackberry Memo Pad (currently synced with Outlook notes). There are a number of ways that I can extract my memos from the Blackberry. One objective is to

Re: Interesting article

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ralph, While I agree with some things you said: Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be able to get right. Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in their codecs, and

Why Linux has problems with proprietary multimedia... (was: Interesting article)

2010-03-05 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be able to get right. Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in their codecs, and

Re: Why Linux has problems with proprietary multimedia... (was: Interesting article)

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
... which has me wondering: how does Ubuntu get away with shipping all of the stuff necessary to do DVD-authoring!? Ahhh, what does it meant to do DVD-authoring? Moving encoded bits on a DVD? No problem! Taking video bits from my video camera (encoded into Mpeg) and putting it onto my DVD? No

Re: Why Linux has problems with proprietary multimedia...

2010-03-05 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes: Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: [...] H.264? Mpeg3/4/2? Have your friends send you Ogg Vorbis stuff. Plays fine. Apple and Microsoft have paid up royalties on these things (or at least Microsoft thought it had paid up

Re: Why Linux has problems with proprietary multimedia...

2010-03-05 Thread Ralph Mack
On 3/5/2010 6:27 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Joshua Judson Rosenroz...@geekspace.com writes: And, actually..., I saw came upon these interesting articles the other day: http://bemasc.net/wordpress/2010/02/02/no-you-cant-do-that-with-h264/

Re: Android questions

2010-03-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: I currently have a Blackberry and will be moving to the Motorola Backflip shortly. The only issue I have is that I have over 400 entries in my Blackberry Memo Pad (currently synced with Outlook notes). There are a number of

Re: Why Linux has problems with proprietary multimedia...

2010-03-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ralph, So what it really comes down to is not who is in compliance with the patent but who the patent-holders permit to violate their patent, how well the patent holder was compensated to look the other way, and whether at some future date the organization in this state of grace manages to

Re: Printing across multiple pages?

2010-03-05 Thread Ric Werme
Does anybody have a favorite tool for spitting a print job across multiple pages (enlargement to be re-assembled / poor-man's large-format output)? There's a 34x94 poster at http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/finally-the-new-revised-and-edited-climategate-timeline/ that comes complete or as a