are
minimal, and cover only two already available pages.
So,OK from the Doc team.
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from using a little bit bigger
element (the + and - signs are really small compared to the rest of
the text) or an image (with all the relevant problems that we might
have with that and different themes).
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if somebody
could give it a read and report (or commit directly) any improvements.
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something else?
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this and Mallard mailing lists, but
have been mostly off the radar, so I do not know if we can use the
operating system theme to get those icons instead of embedding them in
the help by ourselves. Has work been done on that front?
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strange, too informal to
me.
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- Jim, Milo, Peter Haslam, Phil, Shaun
This should be OK for a review, plus also for adding new content for
the next release of course.
* GNOME Tetravex
- Milo, Rob Bradford
Should be OK to be reviewed too.
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, August, and September.
Still working in progress on Rhythmbox help, minor edits to Empathy help.
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are capable of audio/video calls. In the case of a
tie, contacts which can do both audio calls _and_ video calls will be
preferred (as it's assumed that the client they're using is more
capable).
Will work on this later this week-end and update the docs accordingly.
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the same tools?
I was thinking about a tool that I think is called Blip... :-)
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, precisely in the
audio and video topics (I'll try to work on that during the week-end).
You can find the new topic directly on Gnome git (the new file is
link-contacts.page), the commit is here:
http://goo.gl/cnRa
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probably need to test
if the file you are processing is really a file and not a directory.
If I have a little bit of time later today I'll try to write a better
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2010/6/21 Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com:
How about Thursday 19:00 UTC?
Absolutely fine for me!
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an hour
or so one afternoon during work. Shaun is in the process of moving so
he may be iffy. Just let me know what works.
For me it can work out from 17UTC to 20UTC, almost all days of the
week, as long as we can have a little bit of notice in advance.
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2010/6/20 Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com:
Hi guys,
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 19:05 +0200, Milo Casagrande wrote:
For me it can work out from 17UTC to 20UTC, almost all days of the
week, as long as we can have a little bit of notice in advance.
How about Wednesday the 23rd at 18:00 UTC?
You want
2010/6/20 Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com:
No problem, how's Thursday instead?
That's absolutely fine for me.
Paul, Shaun, what about you guys?
Preferred time?
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, but it
gives you a pretty good idea about how the shell works.
I never checked out the PPA, but using a PPA means people have to be
on a Debian-based distribution (don't even know if it will work on
Debian though). It's an option for some, but not for all.
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2010/6/17 Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com:
Hi Milo,
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:20 +0200, Milo Casagrande wrote:
no, there is not. Were you thinking about a weekend one or sometime
later this week even with a short notice?
It would be good to start on this ASAP,
Totally agreed.
so a Sunday
Phil, if you happen to have more time than I do in this period, there
is also this one that we should be taking a look at:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2010-June/msg00012.html
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Hi Phil,
2010/6/15 Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com:
Hi guys,
Is there a desktop help planning meeting scheduled for some time this
week?
no, there is not. Were you thinking about a weekend one or sometime
later this week even with a short notice?
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) there's nothing in it yet.
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2010/6/1 Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org:
Is this just for gnome-user-docs or any help files in any module?
I tend to use that prefix for all the commits I do regarding docs in
any module (at least in Gnome git).
I really welcome this simple and easy rule.
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no problem
and I'm really keen on having such a meeting.
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I should be there for this weekend meeting in case somebody has
questions, but I won't be present at the next two.
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no objections in doing so. If it gives us more speed to open up
document (and can ease the translators work), it's all welcome!
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). Downstreams, if they need to customize the help
because of changes in their version of the UI can easily modify the
entities file (but as Shaun said, they need to handle also the
translation process, since those modified strings will need to be
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/MallardFaq
It certainly needs content and some work.
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2010/5/4 Harold Schreckengost mew...@gmail.com:
I believe this is what you're looking for: http://gitorious.org/~mewshi .
You have been added now.
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common accounts.
Why do you think we need such a paragraph in that page? What do others
think about?
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, please feel free to
do it! :-)
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, and it needs to be reorganized, but it's a
start on the topics that we would like to see covered in the help.
Let us what are your thoughts and if you would like to keep on working
on this help.
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Hello Harold,
we are looking at the documents you provided us.
We'll get back to you ASAP.
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describe actions that could cause problems
and/or are not obvious, right?
Basically, yes.
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and they look good overall. One
note: we should try not to insert any distro related information or
references.
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Hi Sebastien,
2010/4/24 Sebastian Pölsterl s...@k-d-w.org:
I was wondering if there's any progress in this area and if not what's
missing to get things rolling?
Personally I miss time! :-)
I'll try to reply to your fitst mail with the proposed topics layout.
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have any question, I'd poke the right
people to reply to you if needed.
Thank you so much.
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PS: are you subscribed to the mailing list or should we keep you CCed?
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didn't push them, due to the fact that I don't really know the real
why of those errors.
The errors are:
Can't establish audio stream
Can't establish video stream
Any help for those?
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prob-video-call.page
Description: Binary data
prob-audio-call.page
icons, shouldn't we consider that here in
this case too?
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should have it in two places, or just one.
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be online very late.
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with translations
For the team we can list the Desktop Help Summit brainstorming, and
all the inter-desktop talks we had there.
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: at the end of July 2010
The idea is to integrate the new documentation in 1.42 since it does
introduce new functionality and allow translations to start working on it.
Great, that is very helpful for us.
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a bunch of other validity errors.
It's all pushed on gitorious, so if you take that branch, it is now
pretty up to date.
Jordi: do you have an estimate of when you would like to release a new
version? There might be some changes we would like to apply (thanks to
Phil's suggestion).
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release is shipping 0.19.5 version of g-d-u.
I'm going to open a bug in Ubuntu anyway. Will see what happens.
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if everything works fine under the VM where I'm
running latest Ubuntu with latest version of Empathy.
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having a structured document where the development of an
application and the new features are pointed out, would be a great
starting point, but we need to have it beforehand, not the day of the
release.
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very well).
I didn't know about the search in the chat window... totally new to me!
We(I) can definitely improve, and that blog post is pretty awesome.
Thanks for pointing it out.
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people hopefully later today or at least tomorrow.
So, this is what I think those icons represent:
- The first one, looks like a video camera to me...
- Tip
- Task
- Looks like a default non-icon, could be a manual or a description...
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about usability, but what about having some italic,
light-grayed-out text inside the search bar that says Type here to
search..., or something similar?
Are those kind of text inside text-entry discouraged?
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to have a page that has the same layout
(or some sort of) of the search entry list, with all the topics
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about Tips Tricks. :-)
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-utils release.
Any chance to merge the help from the gitorious repo?
Let me/us know.
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] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612448
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may know, but may at
least read a What's New page. In fact, perhaps such a page could be
displayed by Yelp when the app is started for the first time?
Maybe we can have a What's New menu entry in the Help menu, as long
as there is a whatsnew.page.
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the first
Sunday in April, as normal, and to start having our
meetings weekly after that.
The first Sunday of April is Easter. Personally I have no problem
since for me it's already evening, but could be a problem attending
for someone else.
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, since we'll have just had
one the week before.
Sounds good to me.
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2010/3/1 Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org:
Does 18:00 UTC / 12:00 p.m. CST work for everyone?
+1 for me.
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saying you were or would have wanted to work on
that help. Did you start working on it? I think it shouldn't be a long
task, so maybe could I give it a shot or maybe help you out.
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of Advanced section). Maybe a good
table explaining what symbols to use and what they do could be a good
idea to take into consideration.
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2010/2/21 Bruce Cowan li...@bcowan.fastmail.co.uk:
Yes, this was something I wasn't sure about. I suppose I should have
checked the empathy documentation beforehand.
Bruce, can you provide an updated patch so I can apply-check it?
Thanks.
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up for suggestions.
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updated yesterday the documentation, but was monitoring anyway this
problem in order to provide a patch for that particular topic.
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for the supported IRC commands.
I also added some group links, but I don't understand if they really
work: I'm using g-d-u 0.19.3 with Yelp 2.28, do I need latest Yelp
too?
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should do with that
- there is a topic.dat file in the C/ directory, I don't know what is
the purpose of that file, I left it there...
If there are any problems, you know where to find us! :-)
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with writing a new topic/page, how to test it and validate it,
and how to deal with translations. A plus: how to provide a separate
package to update only the help.
I don't know... just throwing there ideas...
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yet, I'll leave it out. I plan
to push the new Tetravex help version during the weekend, so to have a
little time to collect more impressions and experiences.
Thanks for the help.
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don't know if Shaun has been
looking into it, IIRC we discussed briefly about this during an IRC
meeting.
Willie, do you think the absence of CC or subtitles is a real blocker
to the introduction of small video in the help?
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for it.
Great.
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collect other experiences, I'll push everything on gnome
git in order to have it ready for the 2.30.
Thank you.
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with that.
Also, I haven't tested latest Yelp version, but since Tetravex has a
small video in it, would be interesting to know if video support is
working.
The upcoming version of Ubuntu still has version 2.28, and I'm having
a hard time building jhbuild.
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would like to see in Mallard, something that downstreams would really
appreciate.
Shaun, what is the possibility to have something like that in the
2.30? Or better aim for the 3.0?
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that will be written.
For me, it gives a little bit of color to the application help, and
provides also a visual hint to users of the application logo when
browsing the menus.
What do you think?
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at the bottom of your section.
Maybe it is possible to add a style to the section that will not have
the small grey-line at the top if the title is not there...
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their help, I think it will not be a big problem. The problem could
always be if they want to plug something into the existing help: they
need to know what the infrastructure is, and how it works.
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]).
But anyway, this shouldn't stop us from planning and start working on it. ;-)
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[1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/rhythmbox/0.12/
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, some others are missing, and the
entire help needs a good review.
What do you think of a structure like that? If it's OK I can go on and
work on that a little bit more, and maybe complete the help (but
unlikely for the mid-January release).
Let me know.
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and it took a little bit
to get me in, but it looks interestingly easy to use and to get used.
FWIW, from my personal experience, what I feel more complicated are
tables rather than lists.
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(I'm starting to take a look at it)
- I've been working on a survey for the docs, but it's not public yet,
and also have started brainstorming about gnome-shell (not public yet
too)
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all doing well.
Happy 2010!
Bat-time and bat-channel sound good to me!
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. I have yet to hook Yelp up to yelp-xsl to get
it working directly.
For me it's not working... it loads the Gecko video player and also
the video I think, but it doesn't play the video and the commands
don't do anything...
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, and a link to the
license (or was it only the copyright year?). But that has been
removed in order to have a better way to show the license page and
also to give credits.
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to this wiki page:
http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/License
If it's OK, we can just move everything into gnome-git.
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introduced link groups, that one could be a
good topic to talk about!
Maybe also the use of the topic, guide and seealso links, how
they work and what are they supposed to do.
Interesting to me could be a real use case of the revision element...
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need to find a general solution, and the video
section that if it doesn't work with Yelp we can't import that.
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There's also to note that CC licenses don't need to be provided along
with the doc, just the URL to the online license (or the deed) is OK
to meet the license requirements.
Also, only the deed is translated, not the entire license.
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: writing in a different style (topic-based)
than with Docbook. I can't imagine writing with Mallard in any
different way, I think it forces you to think that way.
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the standard character entities should have just
been part of the XML standard.
Agree.
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not really a problem, only Yelp complaining, there is
no address, street, state (and the others too) element in Mallard.
Maybe you can use a code block to represent the FSF address.
Hope this can help.
Ciao.
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. It can be adjusted
and probably expanded too.
Ciao.
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of the entire year[1]. I might be able to find
a coffee house before heading back down, but there's no
way I could do it before 3pm, which is 21UTC.
So, 21UTC can work for me, otherwise we can schedule the next weekend
so that we don't rush you into a coffe house (again).
Ciao.
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2009/10/23 Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org:
If we can push it out one week, that would be better for me, I have plans on
Nov 1st.
OK, so we schedule for November 8th, 18UTC.
If I'll get no answer, I'll updated the wiki this Sunday.
Ciao.
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