Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 3:16 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: 17 USC 109 The files distributed by the defendants are not first-sale copies, so 17 USC 109 is irrelevant. Sez who? regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in the world, BusyBox included, exceeds the

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/14/2010 3:20 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The files distributed by the defendants are not first-sale copies, so 17 USC 109 is irrelevant. Sez who? The defendants offer files for download from their websites. Their web servers create fresh copies with each download,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 2:46 PM, RJack wrote: contract obligations that are to be performed after partial performance by the other party are not treated as conditions The obligation by the licensor is not to sue for infringement. The performance by the licensee is to copy and

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/14/2010 3:51 PM, RJack wrote: Ah! I know what! Let's just deny everything and mooove the goalposts! The GPL is a perfectly straightforward copyright license, trivially easy to comply with. It is only the people who want to avoid the obligations of the GPL while still

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
RJack u...@example.net writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 2:46 PM, RJack wrote: contract obligations that are to be performed after partial performance by the other party are not treated as conditions The obligation by the licensor is not to sue for infringement. The performance by

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 3:51 PM, RJack wrote: Ah! I know what! Let's just deny everything and mooove the goalposts! The GPL is a perfectly straightforward copyright license, trivially easy to comply with. It is only the people who want to avoid the obligations of the

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/14/2010 5:30 PM, RJack wrote: Sounds like a Marxist dream-come-true to me. 1) Dangle promises of copyright permissions. 2) Steal the rights of those who accept the offer. The GPL explicitly and in great detail spells out the obligations which must be assumed for being permitted to copy

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 5:30 PM, RJack wrote: Sounds like a Marxist dream-come-true to me. 1) Dangle promises of copyright permissions. 2) Steal the rights of those who accept the offer. The GPL explicitly and in great detail spells out the obligations which must be assumed for

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/14/2010 5:45 PM, RJack wrote: The GPL license *willfully* misleads people. Anti-GPL cranks claim to be misled by the GPL, because they want to steal the work of other people without compensating those people in the way they have chosen. ___

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 5:45 PM, RJack wrote: The GPL license *willfully* misleads people. Anti-GPL cranks claim to be misled by the GPL, because they want to steal the work of other people without compensating those people in the way they have chosen. Sorry Sweetheart. Sometimes

NYC LOCAL: Thursday 15 April 2010 NYC Clojure Users Group: Stuart Sierra on Unit Testing with Clojure

2010-05-04 Thread secretary
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Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 5:45 PM, RJack wrote: The GPL license *willfully* misleads people. Anti-GPL cranks claim to be misled by the GPL, because they want to steal the work of other people without compensating those people in the way

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] you are living in a fantasy world. *You* are living in a fantasy world (where copyright licenses are not contracts and etc. GNU moronity), silly dak. The main difference to the variants of communism typical Americans associate with the devil, however, is that

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] you are living in a fantasy world. *You* are living in a fantasy world (where copyright licenses are not contracts and etc. GNU moronity), silly dak. Since you are the one batting zero in the real world, I am not all too

The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Now for my prediction for the resolution of Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et. al. I predict that Judge Scheindlin will grant a Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. Rule 12(b)(1). She will dismiss the lawsuit because the plaintiffs lack Article III standing. The

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/14/2010 7:55 PM, RJack wrote: Sorry Sweetheart. Sometimes you just don't get to pick and choose like you wish. But fortunately, in the case of copyright 17 USC 106 guarantees that you do. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/14/2010 7:55 PM, RJack wrote: Sorry Sweetheart. Sometimes you just don't get to pick and choose like you wish. But fortunately, in the case of copyright 17 USC 106 guarantees that you do. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 (3), the owner of a

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 5:45 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: See http://www.terekhov.de/Samsung-Answer.pdf for TWENTY (20) reasons why it is perfectly fine to 'steal' GPL'd work. Several additional reasons to the ones listed by Samsung can be found here:

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/08-1001.pdf Under California contract law... http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:15936 --- This is not legal advice... As an attorney spending a great deal of time on software related IP licensing and litigation

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread me
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 9:43 AM, RJack wrote: The statement . . . (a) Plaintiffs’ copyrights are unique and valuable property whose market value is impossible to assess, . . . automatically establishes the fact that any alleged injury is conjectural and hypothetical. The SFLC lawyers

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:05 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1559052cid=31231918 Pursuing a case to conclusion takes time, effort, and money regardless of the correctness of the claims in the case. ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:05 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 4/15/2010 10:14 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 (3), the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:06 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/08-1001.pdf Under California contract law... http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:15936 http://www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf The GPL is Not a Contract

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:12 AM, me wrote: Tell it to the United States Supreme Court and Justice Scalia. Fortunately, nothing the Supreme Court has said is inconsistent with the CAFC JMRI decision. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 11:05 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 4/15/2010 10:14 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 (3), the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The normal process of serving files involves making copies of the files being served, and those copies may be lawfully made only by complying with the GPL. Sez who? 17 USC 106

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The normal process of serving files involves making copies of the files being served, and those copies may be lawfully made only by complying with the GPL. Sez who? 17 USC 106

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] you are living in a fantasy world. *You* are living in a fantasy world (where copyright licenses are not contracts and etc. GNU moronity), silly dak. Since you are the one batting zero

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 5:45 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: See http://www.terekhov.de/Samsung-Answer.pdf for TWENTY (20) reasons why it is perfectly fine to 'steal' GPL'd work. Several additional reasons to the ones listed by Samsung can be found here:

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 9:43 AM, RJack wrote: The statement . . . (a) Plaintiffs’ copyrights are unique and valuable property whose market value is impossible to assess, . . . automatically establishes the fact that any alleged injury is conjectural and hypothetical. The SFLC lawyers

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 11:06 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/08-1001.pdf Under California contract law... http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:15936 http://www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf The GPL is Not a Contract --

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 11:12 AM, me wrote: Tell it to the United States Supreme Court and Justice Scalia. Fortunately, nothing the Supreme Court has said is inconsistent with the CAFC JMRI decision. Also... up is down and black is white. ROFL. Sincerely, RJack :)

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 11:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp The GPL-compliant sources for this firmware are found at http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 11:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp The GPL-compliant sources for this firmware are found at Without checking/verification all you say regarding GPL-compliant sources is just hot air out of your ass.

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 12:00 PM, RJack wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: http://www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf The GPL is Not a Contract -- Whether express or implied, a license is a contract 'governed by ordinary principles of state contract law.'; McCoy v. Mitsuboshi Cutlery,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 12:39 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Without checking/verification all you say regarding GPL-compliant sources is just hot air out of your ass. The web page says that it's the source code used to build the firmware. I don't see what motivation Verizon would have to lie about it,

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 12:45 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Him is she, you idiot. I am insufficiently familiar with Indian-sounding names to determine their gender. The gender of the author has no bearing on the validity of the work, in any case. ___

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 12:00 PM, RJack wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: http://www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf The GPL is Not a Contract -- Whether express or implied, a license is a contract 'governed by ordinary principles of state contract law.'; McCoy v. Mitsuboshi Cutlery, Inc., 67.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] The web page says ... Referring to www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf you said that http://www.sapnakumar.org/IMG_2030.JPG/IMG_2030-full;init_.JPG is 'he'. But http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/print.asp?PID=4715 and http://www.law.duke.edu/fac/kumar/ says that 'he' is

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] The web page says ... Referring to www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf you said that http://www.sapnakumar.org/IMG_2030.JPG/IMG_2030-full;init_.JPG is 'he'. But http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/print.asp?PID=4715 and

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 1:09 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The web page says ... Referring to www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf you said that http://www.sapnakumar.org/IMG_2030.JPG/IMG_2030-full;init_.JPG is 'he'. The article at http://www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf does not refer to the

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 1:30 PM, RJack wrote: Why believe your lyin' eyes when you've got Hyman Rosen and his powerful cognitive abilities at your service? Hyman can, through sheer mental concentration, turn fantasy into reality. Upward points downward and white magically becomes black. It's like having

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 1:09 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The web page says ... Referring to www.sapnakumar.org/EnfGPL.pdf you said that http://www.sapnakumar.org/IMG_2030.JPG/IMG_2030-full;init_.JPG is 'he'. The article at

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 1:30 PM, RJack wrote: Why believe your lyin' eyes when you've got Hyman Rosen and his powerful cognitive abilities at your service? Hyman can, through sheer mental concentration, turn fantasy into reality. Upward points downward and white magically

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: RJack u...@example.net writes: Now for my prediction for the resolution of Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et. al. I predict that Judge Scheindlin will grant a Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. Rule 12(b)(1). She will dismiss the

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 1:56 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Then why did you refer to the author as he/him Because I blindly assumed the author was male. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 1:57 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz Sometimes a broken link is a broken link. Looking directly at http://opensource.actiontec.com/, we can see that there is a link for

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 1:57 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz Sometimes a broken link is a broken link. Looking directly at http://opensource.actiontec.com. . . Note that actiontec.com is not

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 1:56 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Then why did you refer to the author as he/him Because I blindly assumed the author was male. You blindly assume a lot of things. Stop it. regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in the world, BusyBox included,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 2:44 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Note that actiontec.com is not verizon.net as in http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm is, however, a Verizon web page. As

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 2:44 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Note that actiontec.com is not verizon.net as in http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm How did you

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 3:03 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm How did you come across that link Googled for Verizon and GPL. You could have googled for busybox if you really

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: You could have googled for busybox if you really wanted the source code. Verizon is obligated to provide the exact version of GPL-covered sources used to build the binaries which they distribute. This obligation exists regardless of whether the

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:03 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm How did you come across that link Googled for Verizon and GPL. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:25 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Go tell Verizon that Verizon is obligated... http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp The GPL-compliant sources are provided by Verizon at

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 3:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: You could have googled for busybox if you really wanted the source code. Verizon is obligated to provide the exact version of GPL-covered sources used to build the binaries which they distribute. This obligation exists

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 3:25 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Go tell Verizon that Verizon is obligated... http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp The GPL-compliant sources are provided by Verizon at

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:42 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: The (incomplete) sources are provided by/from actiontec.com, not verizon.net Links to the downloadable sources are on a Verizon web page, http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiosinternet/networking/troubleshooting/questionsone/124346.htm

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 3:42 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: The (incomplete) sources are provided by/from actiontec.com, not verizon.net Links to the downloadable sources are on a Verizon web page,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 1:30 PM, RJack wrote: Why believe your lyin' eyes when you've got Hyman Rosen and his powerful cognitive abilities at your service? Hyman can, through sheer mental concentration, turn fantasy into reality. Upward points downward and white magically becomes

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:57 PM, RJack wrote: Undisputed fact 1) There has never been a link to BusyBox v. 0.60.3 published by any BusyBox defendant in an SFLC suit -- ever. No one is obligated to distribute the source to BusyBox v. 0.60.3 unless they are distributing that version of the binary. They are

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 3:52 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Click on http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz That link is currently broken, presumably because it has not yet been updated to point to a newer version of the source.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] This is because the defendants agree to comply with the GPL, See COUNTERCLAIMS in http://www.terekhov.de/BestBuy-Answer.pdf regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in the world, BusyBox included, exceeds the originality standards required by copyright law.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 4:38 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: This is because the defendants agree to comply with the GPL, See COUNTERCLAIMS in http://www.terekhov.de/BestBuy-Answer.pdf That case is still in progress. To date, after each case brought by the SFLC has ended, the

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread peterwn
On Apr 16, 2:36 am, Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: On 4/15/2010 9:43 AM, RJack wrote: The statement . . . (a) Plaintiffs’ copyrights are unique and valuable property whose market value is impossible to assess, . . . automatically establishes the fact that any alleged injury is

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 3:57 PM, RJack wrote: Undisputed fact 1) There has never been a link to BusyBox v. 0.60.3 published by any BusyBox defendant in an SFLC suit -- ever. No one is obligated to distribute the source to BusyBox v. 0.60.3 unless they are distributing that version

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
peterwn wrote: On Apr 16, 2:36 am, Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: On 4/15/2010 9:43 AM, RJack wrote: The statement . . . (a) Plaintiffs’ copyrights are unique and valuable property whose market value is impossible to assess, . . . automatically establishes the fact that any alleged

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: On 4/15/2010 3:52 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Click on http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz That link is currently broken, presumably because it has not yet been updated to point to a newer version of

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: RJack u...@example.net writes: Now for my prediction for the resolution of Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et. al. I predict that Judge Scheindlin will grant a Motion to Dismiss pursuant to

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: RJack u...@example.net writes: Now for my prediction for the resolution of Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et. al. I predict that Judge Scheindlin will grant a

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] Undisputed fact 2) No court has ever granted *any* relief requested by any BusyBox plaintiff -- ever. This is because the defendants agree to comply with the GPL, and therefore there is no further matter for the court to decide. This is exactly how the GPL is

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 6:26 PM, RJack wrote: To institute the Best Buy et al suit, the plaintiff was required by statute to identify the allegedly infringed work's registration: § 411 · Registration and civil infringement actions (a) Except for an action brought for a violation of the rights of the

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/15/2010 6:34 PM, RJack wrote: The value of a nonexclusive copyright license like the GPL is called its contractual interest. Something like this: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/sun-to-acquire-mysql.html SANTA CLARA, CA January 16, 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: JAVA)

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 6:26 PM, RJack wrote: To institute the Best Buy et al suit, the plaintiff was required by statute to identify the allegedly infringed work's registration: § 411 · Registration and civil infringement actions (a) Except for an action brought for a

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 10:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A complaint which fails to plead compliance with § 411(a) is defective and subject to dismissal.; Techniques, Inc. v. Rohn, 592 F.Supp. 1195, 1197; 225 U.S.P.Q. 741 (S.D.N.Y. 1984). If the court requires that each specific version of a work be

Compliance detection tool

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/2010/04/tool-sniffs-oss-binaries-for-sweet-smell-of-license-compliance.ars Software development company Loohuis Consulting and process management consultancy OpenDawn have released a new binary analysis tool that is designed to detect Linux and

The birth of a virus scanner against the GPL virus

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/2010/04/tool-sniffs-oss-binaries-for-sweet-smell-of-license-compliance.ars Developed with funding from the Linux Foundation and the NLnet Foundation, the binary analysis tool is distributed under the permissive Apache license. LOL.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 10:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A complaint which fails to plead compliance with § 411(a) is defective and subject to dismissal.; Techniques, Inc. v. Rohn, 592 F.Supp. 1195, 1197; 225 U.S.P.Q. 741 (S.D.N.Y. 1984). If . . .

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 12:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.oblon.com/files/news/514.pdf under the “Registration Approach,” only after the Register of Copyrights actually approves the application and issues a registration, or notifies the copyright applicant that the application is rejected, is

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] The court may also give them the option of registering and then amending the complaint. Sez who? regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in the world, BusyBox included, exceeds the originality standards required by copyright law. Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 12:43 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The court may also give them the option of registering and then amending the complaint. Sez who? The Supreme Court: http://supreme.justia.com/us/371/178/case.html Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 15(a) declares that

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 12:43 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The court may also give them the option of registering and then amending the complaint. Sez who? The Supreme Court: http://supreme.justia.com/us/371/178/case.html Federal Rule of Civil

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 1:13 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: And what would such hallucination-motion say to the court to justify the request to amend the complaint silly Hyman? Well, they could say we forgot. http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77imono.phtml Or they could say that because the infringers are

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] These are lawyers. SFLC's 'lawyers' are incompetent retards. regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in the world, BusyBox included, exceeds the originality standards required by copyright law. Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com The Silliest GPL 'Advocate' P.P.S.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 1:27 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: SFLC's 'lawyers' are incompetent retards. Since they have so far gained compliance from every defendant whose case has ended, one can only imagine how much more good for the GPL could be accomplished by competent lawyers of average intelligence.

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 1:27 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: SFLC's 'lawyers' are incompetent retards. Since they have so far gained . . . http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz regards, alexander. P.S. Every computer program in

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 1:40 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz Sometimes a broken link is just a broken link. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/15/2010 6:34 PM, RJack wrote: The value of a nonexclusive copyright license like the GPL is called its contractual interest. Something like this: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/sun-to-acquire-mysql.html SANTA CLARA, CA January 16, 2008 Sun Microsystems,

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 10:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A complaint which fails to plead compliance with § 411(a) is defective and subject to dismissal.; Techniques, Inc. v. Rohn, 592 F.Supp. 1195, 1197; 225 U.S.P.Q. 741 (S.D.N.Y. 1984). If the court requires that each specific

Re: Compliance detection tool

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/2010/04/tool-sniffs-oss-binaries-for-sweet-smell-of-license-compliance.ars Software development company Loohuis Consulting and process management consultancy OpenDawn have released a new binary analysis tool that is designed to detect Linux

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 12:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.oblon.com/files/news/514.pdf under the “Registration Approach,” only after the Register of Copyrights actually approves the application and issues a registration, or notifies the copyright applicant that the

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 2:30 PM, RJack wrote: Yup. Only the author of a work of visual art You made a blanket comment that US law does not recognize the value of moral rights. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 1:13 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: And what would such hallucination-motion say to the court to justify the request to amend the complaint silly Hyman? Well, they could say we forgot. http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77imono.phtml Or they could say that

Re: Compliance detection tool

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 2:36 PM, RJack wrote: Virtually all open source licenses are unenforceable due to lack of Article III standing. Open source licenses in general are only useful for defenses against copyright infringement suits. That's false, as we can see from this court decision:

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 4/16/2010 2:37 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: An invalid/void/unenforceable contract (the GPL) is always an invalid/void/unenforceable contract (the GPL). The GPL is not a contract but a copyright license, and it is copyright infringement to copy and distribute GPL-covered works without

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] These are lawyers. SFLC's 'lawyers' are incompetent retards. I'll second that motion. All in favor say aye. aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 1:27 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: SFLC's 'lawyers' are incompetent retards. Since they have so far gained compliance from every defendant whose case has ended, one can only imagine how much more good for the GPL could be accomplished by competent lawyers of

Re: Time to put up or shut up!

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 1:40 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://opensource.actiontec.com/mi1424wr/actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr-rev-e_fw-20-9-0.tgz Sometimes a broken link is just a broken link. Sometimes a GNUtian is a moron. Other times he is just a fool. Sincerely, RJack :)

Re: Compliance detection tool

2010-05-04 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 2:36 PM, RJack wrote: Virtually all open source licenses are unenforceable due to lack of Article III standing. Open source licenses in general are only useful for defenses against copyright infringement suits. That's false, as we can see from this court

Re: The SFLC has pleaded their clients right out of court

2010-05-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 4/16/2010 2:30 PM, RJack wrote: Yup. Only the author of a work of visual art You made a blanket comment that US law does not recognize the value of moral rights. http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/property/library/moralprimer.html Under VARA, moral rights

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