Re: Justice draws nigh

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:4be1c795.abe07...@web.de... RJack wrote: RJack wrote: All this bantering about prior cases is moot. The SFLC has just filed a request for a pre-conference motion for summary judgment against Westinghouse. The near future now

Re: SFLC is SOL

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:4b9625a2.f8e31...@web.de... RJack wrote: The SFLC has finally bought itself a shit-load of trouble. Five of fourteen defendants' ANSWERS TO COMPLAINT are up on the SDNY PACER site. It's actually more than five in the meantime:

Re: SFLC is SOL

Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:rs3c97-ep1@news.eternal-september.org... Rex Ballard rex.ball...@gmail.com writes: On Mar 15, 6:03 pm, RJack u...@example.net wrote: Rex Ballard wrote: And before ANY of that goes to a jury, both sides have to show their cards to

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

RJack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oosdnvn5rvxl2ojwnz2dnuvz_odi4...@giganews.com... Another frivolous lawsuit to which the SFLC can spin: One can only wonder how many of these things are necessary for the FSF and SFLC and Moglen (which seem to be MOL synonymous terms). I don't

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:m9%cn.53092$np1.1...@newsfe19.iad... On 2/11/2010 4:53 PM, RJack wrote: If the original authors accept a developer's code to be integrated into the BusyBox project they show their intent to include that new contributor as a joint author.

Re: Josh Perry: Using the GPL as a Dual-Licensing Monopolistic Haven

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:4b4b3692.63f86...@web.de... http://blogs.6bit.com/josh/2010/01/using-the-gpl-as-a-dual-licensing-monopolistic-haven/ ... The GPL, with a goal to provide software that is free-as-in-speech, has been effectively used as a legal muzzle

Re: Josh Perry: Using the GPL as a Dual-Licensing Monopolistic Haven

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87bph0imr6@lola.goethe.zz... I am an imbecile. Agreed ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Embrace, Extend Extinguish

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tmudndbsxjpdqjbwnz2dnuvz_jkdn...@giganews.com... Due to legal antitrust concerns, Microsoft is always going to allow about 20% of the total market to competitors... As romantic as that may sound, it is the wrong view of the situation.

Re: Embrace, Extend Extinguish

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:rt6dncz6hlk4ejhwnz2dnuvz_jadn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tmudndbsxjpdqjbwnz2dnuvz_jkdn...@giganews.com... Due to legal antitrust concerns, Microsoft is always going to allow about 20

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87bpkac98w@lola.goethe.zz... Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] You miss the essential difference - when you download a copy of a GPLed program, it is you who is making the copy, and therefore you are

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87skdniz1r@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87pr8s4t7b@lola.goethe.zz... Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: He made the rather audacious

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87skdniz1r@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87pr8s4t7b@lola.goethe.zz... Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: He made the rather audacious

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87k4yzgwfx@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message Uh yes. We were talking about _market_ value of GPL software business. Now you want to exclude everything for which one has

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:x8abm.142618$y83.11...@newsfe21.iad... Rjack wrote: How does an over-the-air broadcast television program relate to an over-the-internet computer program licensed under a FOSS license? Both of them are legally copied in a way which

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:hav3va$1am...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:hat7ab$2oo...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: David Kastrup d

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87pr8s4t7b@lola.goethe.zz... Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: He made the rather audacious and totally unsupported statement that the GPL software market is worth billions by now and he ducks and runs from the

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87skdr9gsd@lola.goethe.zz... Now I would not put it past you to try to set up a business centered around this purportive loophole. But nobody in his right mind would care to do important business with you anyway. You come across as far

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87ws326l79@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87skdr9gsd@lola.goethe.zz... Now I would not put it past you to try to set up a business centered around

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:hat7ab$2oo...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87ws326l79@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote in message news:o8udnc2yu_a6w03xnz2dnuvz_jydn...@posted.localnet... If one has, for example, a shrink wrapped copy, never opened (and thus never installed), it is perfectly legal to re-sell that copy. I believe that was citizen.org's case. Once you

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote in message news:f7odnyk7af6pdu3xnz2dnuvz_qidn...@posted.localnet... At Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:32:50 -0400 amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote in message news:o8udnc2yu_a6w03xnz2dnuvz_jydn...@posted.localnet

Re: GPL traitor ! OT?: can my program say GO RUN some-fsf-program?

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:j70zl.1773$f43.1...@newsfe03.iad... Copyright law involves copying. Ask yourself whether any protected work is being copied in violation of the copyright holder's terms. If there is no such copying, then copyright law does not prohibit the

Re: GPL traitor !

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:5qmdny4dp90tmwxunz2dnuvz_t2dn...@giganews.com... Matt Assay of C-Net fame and one of cyberworld's *biggest* supporters of the GPL is bailing out like he's Arlen Specter's campaign manager: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10229817-16.html I have

Re: Cisco v FSF dismissed

DFS nos...@dfs_.com wrote in message news:v%ohl.32331$v8.27...@bignews3.bellsouth.net... Rjack wrote: Yaaawn. FSF runs from another opportunity to prove legal enforceability claims for the GPL. Just as I predicted. Listen for the Freetard spin. The Cisco v. Free Software

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grlfag$9e...@blue.rahul.net... Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet happened to Rjack.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grli7b$f2...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

dr_nikolaus_klepp dr.kl...@gmx.at wrote in message news:2b749$49dbc4aa$557d7df2$...@news.inode.at... chrisv wrote: rat wrote: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC. Ignorance is no

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:w6hcl.1223$g%5...@newsfe23.iad... You say that the reason they settled cannot be determined, but it must be that TomTom had no confidence in winning and were concerned with minimizing their likely loss. Where's your evidence?

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Sermo Malifer sermomali...@noemail.com wrote in message news:grcvqf$r5...@news.albasani.net... No, he's just observing you have no evidence to support your assertions. Of course I do. TomTom paid. They didn't pay just because they felt like paying, they paid because of the only reason

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

dr_nikolaus_klepp dr.kl...@gmx.at wrote in message news:2fe2e$49da3f6c$557d7df2$12...@news.inode.at... you guys are nuts. what are you, unemplyed wannabee layers? do you really think going to court is fun and fighting to the end is heroic? nuts. go read maciavelli and clausewitz, think it

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their invited guests by tempting them to accept an illegal contract. Nice self-nuke on your part there... You either

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:0yydnb8mcqht8kfunz2dnuvz_sbin...@giganews.com... By using the analogy of a titty bar you are displaying your ugly misogynist side. Your sexist remarks have set women's rights back at least a half century. That long? I wouldn't think that the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grduio$r3...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tvqdnf7tyeli7evunz2dnuvz_g2wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fudbl.727$9t6@newsfe10.iad... On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:e2dbl.724$9t6@newsfe10.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:34:29 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3ijal.118624$rg3.97...@newsfe17.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:55:28 -0400

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gr82or$kj...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxtomxt.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gr823h$gk...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: Sure, but the hollering about GPL is not enforceable is beside the point I am beginning to believe that you *really* don't understand that a U.S. court

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue for a possibly contentious issue. And only a fucking Freetard moron such as yourself could twice fail to grasp the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:49d517f2.ac331...@web.de... Rjack wrote: [...] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gcc-exception-faq.html Since all of the object code that GCC generates is derived from these GPLed libraries, that means you would be required to

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxmicro.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gqukq6$gb...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: At the Software Freedom Law Center Eben Moglen should announce, At the S.F.L.C. propaganda is our most important product. Only if Tom-Tom really is the loser.

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3ijal.118624$rg3.97...@newsfe17.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:55:28 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: Whatever they paid, they also agreed to change their GPL code to not infringe on the FAT patents. That is an acknowledgement

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:49d1e09a.2322b...@web.de... SFLC's spin-doctoring: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/mar/30/settled-not-over-yet/ Well, it is the duty of the generals to rally the troops at all times, even if it is necessary to lie or to

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:uf4zl.173520$xk6.65...@newsfe12.iad... amicus_curious wrote: If Verizon was deficient and unable to properly convey the license, the GPL assigns it to the end user automatically anyway. The end user has a license regardless

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:02gyl.80776$zp.25...@newsfe21.iad... On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:41:15 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:bgwyl.50925$et1.40...@newsfe20.iad... On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:17:58 -0400

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

-0400, amicus_curious wrote: If EULA are contracts, what makes the GPL different from other EULA, in your view? It is not any different at all. Both are contracts. Now, what do you think happens when such a contract is breached? IANAL, are you? IANALs also have a right to think, y'know

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:gxfyl.80774$zp.65...@newsfe21.iad... On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:32:52 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:09:32 -0400, Rjack wrote: IF A COPYRIGHT LICENSE EXISTS, ITS LANGUAGE WILL BE INTERPRETED AS A

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:tslyl.148172$2h5.58...@newsfe11.iad... amicus_curious wrote: After conveying the license to use the software to the end user, the GPL goes on and on about what is allowed to be in the black box. I don't think that the courts really care

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:lhsyl.103614$rg3.50...@newsfe17.iad... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:05:53 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: When an end user gets a copy of a commercial software program from a warez site or just by borrowing a DVD from the office or a friend

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:3kpyl.34265$mf1.8...@newsfe23.iad... amicus_curious wrote: Was anyone ever prosecuted over such a silly situation? I don't know if there were prosecutions, but the publishing industry very much wanted this law enforced

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:yhsyl.202296$fm1.74...@newsfe14.iad... On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:09:32 -0400, Rjack wrote: IF A COPYRIGHT LICENSE EXISTS, ITS LANGUAGE WILL BE INTERPRETED AS A CONTRACT IN DETERMINING ITS COVENANTS FOR PURPOSES OF BREACH AND THEN

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:bgwyl.50925$et1.40...@newsfe20.iad... On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:17:58 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: If EULA are contracts, what makes the GPL different from other EULA, in your view? It is not any different at all. Both are contracts

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:ud2dnb6ednq6gfrunz2dnuvz_jswn...@giganews.com... The FSF thinks 2,100 - 425,000 times actual dahages is excessive! Well. . . Huh? It is hard to find places where one can agree with the FSF, but this is apparently one of them. I think that

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxmorex.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gq85rm$gm...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: If something has no commercial value, being free as in beer... GPL software is supposed to be free as in free speech, not free as in free beer. And also

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:6xmxl.73540$tp5.8...@newsfe13.iad... amicus_curious wrote: It is sort of cutting their own throat, though. If something has no commercial value, being free as in beer, any case asking for monetary damages for violating its copyright could

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:elnxl.95681$rg3.85...@newsfe17.iad... amicus_curious wrote: That argues against any injunction. That's not what the CAFC appeals court held, and that's not what other courts will hold when they're faced with open licenses. But when push

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:z5sxl.45965$3s3.3...@newsfe22.iad... amicus_curious wrote: But when push came to shove, their injunction was denied since they could not show any value for the non-monetary issues. No. A preliminary injunction was denied because

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gq6hl2$306...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: ml2mst ml2mstrem...@capsgmail.com wrote in message news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... You are wrong. Patents are simply a means to protect the ideas

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

Ezekiel th...@here.com wrote in message news:gq2lda$7q...@reader.motzarella.org... What I recently learned from BN and . Absolutely ridiculous. If you really want to *LEARN* something about Redhat and patents in general why waste your time reading a garbage site like BN? Anyone

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

ml2mst ml2mstrem...@capsgmail.com wrote in message news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... I enjoyed Pieter's comments on BN, but I am pretty confused here. What does it mean, is Redhat becoming another patent troll or am I misinterpreting this? What I recently learned from BN and

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote in message news:9q5xl.18551$v8.5...@bignews3.bellsouth.net... After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out this bit o' wisdom: Monopoly raises two classes of problems for a free society. First, the existence of monopoly means a

Re: IBM doesn't like the GPL

Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:49c257e3.daf22...@web.de... And how did that help SUN? The intent was to get the world's application developers creating all of their work in java so that it could be written once and run everywhere in an attempt to break the

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:fbxvl.138993$2h5.85...@newsfe11.iad... amicus_curious wrote: Oh, I haven't heard of any Verizon customer re-programming his router. Oh, that must mean it never happens. Good point. Have you seen that done? It must be extremely rare

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:597wl.128663$xk6.53...@newsfe12.iad... amicus_curious wrote: Well at least we can define the FSF and SFLC as stupid. That is a beginning. No, not the FSF and the SFLC. You. Well, then the FSF is just misinformed about their strategy

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:q18wl.51854$l71.7...@newsfe23.iad... amicus_curious wrote: When Verizon turns around and redistributes to customers, Verizon has obligations. If Verizon buys routers from Actiontec, it may freely ship them to customers without any GPL

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxtomxt.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gpmeri$f3...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: What is kind of interesting here is that the GPL purists, notably SJVN, a Linux blogger of note, is insisting that TomTom be barred from making any kind

Re: The GPL is unenforceable under U.S. copyright law

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gpoqgr$g6...@news.datemas.de... The GPL is unenforceable under U.S. copyright law, Rjack Produce any citation where a recipient of GPL code successfully fought and won such a case. There was the case of Verizon, sued by the SFLC

Re: TomTom fights Microsoft to protect GPL?

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gpoqtn$h6...@news.datemas.de... 'If Tom Tom or any other company cross licenses patents then by section 7 of GPLv2 (for the Linux kernel) they lose the rights to redistribute the kernel at all ..' Who do you think would sue

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:6fovl.22163$0e.12...@newsfe15.iad... Rjack wrote: GNU fans never lose, they just mooove the goalposts. Regarding your unclever tagline, what do you believe was the original goal of such enforcement actions before the

Re: The GPL is unenforceable under U.S. copyright law

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:m6tvl.166850$6r1.10...@newsfe19.iad... amicus_curious wrote: The SFLC then filed a dismissal and nothing happened to Verizon. Incorrect. Verizon chose to comply with the GPL, through the agency of its router manufacturer. The manual

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:wptvl.127792$xk6.119...@newsfe12.iad... amicus_curious wrote: PRAYER FOR RELIEF The SFLC asks for relief as if the GPL does not exist and the other side has simply been violating copyrights. It is up to the other side to assert

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:heuvl.110217$rj7.36...@newsfe18.iad... amicus_curious wrote: Said like a true loser in denial. The users of Verizon's FiOS routers are now, as a result of the SFLC suit, able to run, read, modify, and share the software supplied with those

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:d_uvl.85526$2o4.49...@newsfe03.iad... Rjack wrote: People are not supposed to believe their own eyes when they read the complaint and prayer for relief. Instead they are supposed to believe what some delusional GNU fan claims the SFLC

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote in message news:13jwhdqk0z0zy$.1bpbgtolu230q@40tude.net... On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:19:24 -0400, Rjack wrote: Where is the offer of GPL source code? Is TomTom violating the GPL? Where is the SFLC. He. He. Sincerely, Rjack :) Got me. I

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gph2oh$pk...@news.datemas.de... 'Microsoft's got a long history of licensing its File Allocation Table/Long File Name (FAT LFN) with companies in the car navigation space and that have specifically been using Linux and open source'

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gpj4s7$sc...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: That's assuming Tom-Tom are found guilty. The code would be available on the server. All MS has to do is point it out. As such and in a court of law, it is up to the plaintiff

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gpjlal$7q...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: this article .. is rather 4th hand and not a very compelling analysis .. Said he as he totally failed to address or refute anything in the article. Yes, other companies have

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gp8cfj$h5...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: Microsoft's anti-GPL offensive this summer has sparked renewed speculation about whether the GPL is ``enforceable.'' This particular example of ``FUD'' (fear, uncertainty

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gp60h2$is...@news.datemas.de... Rjack wrote: The great debate on the software blogs about TomTom violating the GPL is sheer nonsense of the same caliber as Eben Moglen's nonsense about a copyright license not being a contract.

Re: MS tired -- Google bad

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:a9sdnvkezzdymyzunz2dnuvz_jewn...@giganews.com... The lawyer President Obama tapped to crack down on monopolies has criticized Google for cornering the market on online advertising and moving to do the same on so-called “cloud

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote in message news:axfnov9rbwxt.h9t0fho6cq42$@40tude.net... On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:14:41 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote: Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net writes: On

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gomatp$q6...@news.datemas.de... 'Software Tree LLC claims that JBoss infringes on its database patent for exchanging data and commands between an object oriented system and a relational system. Software Tree's partners include

Re: Microsoft's IP chief on TomTom, Linux and patents ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gogicp$98...@news.datemas.de... 7 wrote: This is the first shot in their patent war. Not really, more like SCO 11 ... Assertions are year-long, or two years long. Maybe Microsoft wanted to buy TomTom, but they didn't want to

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:gogh16$6n...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: In Microsoft's case against Tom-Tom, there are a bunch of patents that don't have anything to do with Linux involved as well as the FAT filename patents .. What effect

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Vincent vincent.fritt...@gmail.com wrote in message news:gofhco$mi...@news.albasani.net... On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:20:57 -0500, amicus_curious wrote: My own feeling is that the Open Invention Network and the FSF, too, are a bunch of pud knockers without much money in the bank and not much

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:haeql.53381$ci2.43...@newsfe09.iad... On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:41:17 -0500, amicus_curious wrote: None of the above demonstrate that the file(s) are stored on Verizon servers, the files could be hosted on Actiontek servers. With a URL

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:khmql.51855$2o4.35...@newsfe03.iad... amicus_curious wrote: With a URL of download.Verizon.net? Which contains actiontec gateway? No. the link from Verizon.com has that directory name which resolves to download.Verizon.net which

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:jxsql.24840$zp.11...@newsfe21.iad... amicus_curious wrote: What difference would it make if they were somehow linked behind the scenes to some server owned by another company. Verizon must honor the terms of the GPL only if it takes

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:sssql.24839$zp@newsfe21.iad... amicus_curious wrote: No. the link from Verizon.com has that directory name which resolves to download.Verizon.net which is a URL owned by Verizon. Have you been paying attention? Just because the file

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:goh4rf$c8...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: What effect on the case would it be if Tom-Tom eliminated all proprietary software and used a purely GPL solution? All of the previously shipped Tom-Tom units would have

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:wbudnvfln-ndrzhunz2dnuvz_r-wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Because that is part of what I do for a living and I am very familiar with how corporations structure backend storage. What on earth would qualify you to come up

Re: consider the facts of the Stac case..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:goh9sa$mo...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: Well, consider the facts of the Stac case .. Microsoft wanted STAC to give away STACKER, and when they wouldn't comply went ahead and included it in DOS 6.0 anyway renaming

Re: consider the facts of the Stac case..

Vincent Fritters vi...@nowhere.invalid wrote in message news:gohdfh$aa...@news.albasani.net... On 2009-03-02, Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote: They were a company involved in data compression, before they got fucked over by MS .. And they are not the only ones. Even IBM got

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:uxmql.16489$l71.15...@newsfe23.iad... On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:05:35 -0500, amicus_curious wrote: Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:1blpl.46156$ci2.13...@newsfe09.iad... On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:26:56 -0500

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:goen0a$8v...@news.datemas.de... 'We reject the claim and will vigorously defend ourselves, TomTom spokesman Taco Titulaer said, adding that Microsoft sent a letter to TomTom's U.S. office informing it of the action' Apparently

Re: Microsoft's IP chief on TomTom, Linux and patents ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:goeu49$u5...@news.datemas.de... Q: Is the technology being used by TomTom something it developed on its own, or is it outside or open-source technology that they're using? Gutierrez: Well, it's hard for me to tell where the

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote in message news:goetik$su...@news.datemas.de... amicus_curious wrote: Apparently the claim is not without some merit, though. The article goes on to say: Martijn den Drijver, analyst at SNS Securities, said given that TomTom rival Garmin

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxcopyr.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:go7vgf$4p...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: I don't know that they are afraid of Verizon, I think that they do understand the meaning of dismissed with predjudice though and have no way to complain

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:1blpl.46156$ci2.13...@newsfe09.iad... On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:26:56 -0500, amicus_curious wrote: Does the binary file which is being distributed reside on the verizon server? If so, then Verizon would be required to make the source

Re: Microsoft going after Linux?

Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote in message news:bd8l76-lk8@ponder.sky.com... amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) It will be held in the US District Court

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