Re: Cause for bans

2020-02-10 Thread John Darrington
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 10:51:24AM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote: > > > I think that banning such people would make us guilty of the same crimes > > that > > they have committed. > > Please do not misrepresent this initiative. It???s about making GNU > stronger; you may disagree with the

State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-10 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello Alfred, On Mon 10 Feb 2020 18:46, a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > You make grandiose claims about the demise of the GNU project and the > FSF, but you do not back up it with anything of substance You see, if GNU had effective leadership, I would be able to point to some

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Andrej Shadura
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > . Thanks! As the maintainer of GNU indent, I

Re: I suspect that there is no such thing as a "GNU Social Contract"

2020-02-10 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 12:49 AM J.B. Nicholson wrote: > gnu.tools' current domain registrar (namecheap.com)[1] is not the same as > gnu.org's > current domain registrar[2] (gandi.net). gnu.tools' owner is not publicly > listed in > whois but gnu.org's organizational owner is publicly listed in

Re: what is GNU? what is a social contract?

2020-02-10 Thread Carlo Wood
Hi Daniel, unfortunately this is currently not the case. "The" social contract, as you call it, is the creation of a few people who'd like RMS to step down not just from the FSF as he did, but also lose his GNU project. They are hostile towards the GNU project. Therefore, there is nothing to

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Frederic, fredomatic skribis: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > . Thank you for your message. As stated in the email you received, we are still on a review

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Andrej Shadura
On 06/02/2020 17:32, Andrej Shadura wrote: Apparently the last time the signature broke, here’s the hopefully correctly signed message: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version >

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Andrej Shadura [2020-02-11 08:18]: > On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > > . > Thanks! > > As the maintainer of GNU

Re: Feedback on the FSF and GNU

2020-02-10 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You make grandiose claims about the demise of the GNU project and the FSF, but you do not back up it with anything of substance, and continue with falsehoods. You don't even raise any actual points as to how the GNU project can become better, rather you point some minor technical decisions that

Feedback on the FSF and GNU

2020-02-10 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello, This mail is intended to provide feedback related to https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu. I will start with my understanding of what we offer each other. My background is that I maintain some GNU software but have never been a part of the FSF in any way. - GNU gives the FSF a kind of

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/6/20 12:41 PM, Andrej Shadura wrote: > Everyone who works on GNU can and should represent the GNU project, so > it’s in fact you who’s misleading other participants. That is twisted and wrong. Policy at GNU or any organization is not a free for all and this is not the Paris Commune. --

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/6/20 6:00 AM, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to declare > my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of women in GNU. This has nothing to do with the radical feminism that you support, although in of itself, that

Re: What's GNU -- and what's not

2020-02-10 Thread Werner Koch
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 17:24, Carlo Wood said: > So, I think all of this can be summarized as a small group of > two maybe three people who started a new website and are trying There are more than three people who disagree with the way the GNU project is currently managed. Except for signing the

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

2020-02-10 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 12:00:22PM +0100, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to > declare my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of > women in GNU. I am for example quite surprised that (as far as I > saw) only one or two

Re: What's GNU -- and what's not

2020-02-10 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Frederico, On Sun, Feb 09, 2020 at 01:48:28AM +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > I'd like to stress a passage which made me think quite a bit: > > > We have never > > pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project philosophy, or any > > other philosophical views, because people are welcome

Re: Feedback on the FSF and GNU

2020-02-10 Thread Andreas R.
Personal attacks are off-topic for the list. >From the GKCG: "Please do not take a harsh tone towards other participants, and especially don't make personal attacks against them. Go out of your way to show that you are criticizing a statement, not a person." Communicating directly with a third

what is GNU? what is a social contract?

2020-02-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
To correctly talk about things like the social contract, I feel it is first necessary to define what GNU means Each person may have a slightly different answer. When talking about a social contract or any other document like that: it is a bit like the Bible or the Koran: people can interpret