> From: Ludovic Courtès
> Cc: m...@klomp.org, gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:34:32 +0100
>
> > That's just the tip of a very large iceberg. I know it, you know it,
> > and every GNU maintainer knows it. When we get appointed, we receive
> > a 1000-word message from RMS
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 11:12:09 CET Dmitry Gutov a écrit :
> On 23.02.2020 23:34, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > I do see that some people do not judge the document for what it
> > actually says, and I think it’s a pity.
> >
> > Over the last decade I have, again, not been silent about a desire to
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 06:28:07 CET J.B. Nicholson a écrit :
> Taylan Kammer wrote:
> > I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
>
> What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying
> intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to harassment.
> Regarding punishing repeat offenders anyway, as we've seen just
> recently, you can't censor a determined individual on a public mailing
> list anyway. Limit their audience, sure, but banning them outright seems
> impossible. And I can hardly see the whole GNU project migrating off
> mailing
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 15:57:39 CET Ludovic Courtès a écrit :
> Ian Lance Taylor skribis:
> > nipponm...@firemail.cc writes:
> >> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night
> >> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew,
> >> you
> >> know
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 21:13:48 +0100, Andy Wingo wrote:
>> We've had a few people in particular that have been especially
>> problematic, and one person in particular that has many different
>> aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the
>> person has forcefully
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 07:07:11 +, nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote:
> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night
> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew, you know
> lots of lawyers. Stop fomenting and keveching and just file your suit.
This
Le mardi 25 février 2020, 00:55:09 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> As I mentioned in another mail, I am not talking about the software
> running the platform, but the community around the platform. It's the
> contact they get from the community living on a given platform, which
> makes the
On 20.02.2020 15:45, Samuel Thibault wrote:
The activity by itself, yes, but the choice of where to start a new
project, or starting contributing an existing project, leadership does
have a lot of importance.
What kind of choice? Contributors come and go, largely depending on their
own needs
Dmitry Gutov, le mar. 25 févr. 2020 01:44:02 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 20.02.2020 15:45, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> > > > The activity by itself, yes, but the choice of where to start a new
> > > > project, or starting contributing an existing project, leadership does
> > > > have a lot of importance.
Le samedi 22 février 2020, 20:48:43 CET Andreas Enge a écrit :
> If anything, this message shows how much a code of conduct is needed.
I’ve just read https://wiki.gnu.tools/wiki:code-of-conduct
Beside the usage of the binary *-free english phrasing which is
unfortunate when applied to human
Alexandre François Garreau, le mar. 25 févr. 2020 03:10:35 +0100, a ecrit:
> Le mardi 25 février 2020, 00:55:09 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> > Did you really read what was actually written on
> > https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract ?
> > It does not talk about the values that
The best solution to the problem is a public mailing list whose
subscribers are limited to GNU stakeholders. This would go a long way
towards discourse civility, and is what was asked for in the beginning;
you have the power to do such a thing.
This list is exactly for that, for
Your message is hostile, and unkind. Mike's message was explaining the
situation, but you attack him and accuse him. I think you made Mike's
point.
Just like we do not accept obvious garbage language, we also do not
accept hostility towards other members of this list. Please try to
use a
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
It isn't tolerated, but it is also something that those administrating
gnu-misc-discuss@ (or any GNU list) can do little about. You've been
forcefully subscribed to another list, the GNU project is not in
control of it. We cannot filter who sends what to you
Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
It was, and it is not “tolerated”, this is bad faith: it is simply
impossible to do anything about that.
gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org list owners could remove ru...@mrbrklyn.com from the list
and make it clear that he won't be allowed back until he has stopped
nipponm...@firemail.cc writes:
> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night
> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew, you
> know lots of lawyers. Stop fomenting and keveching and just file your
> suit.
As far as I can tell, I received this on
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 07:29:45AM +, Alex Taylor wrote:
> Finally "endorsing" the text would give the rebel group a legitimacy which
> they neither have, nor deserve. It's instructive to look at the track
> record of these renegades. The Guile and Guix projects have both excluded
> and/or
On 2/24/20 12:28 PM, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
Taylan Kammer wrote:
I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying
intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to harassment. I'm
surprised that this
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 12:31:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit :
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58:28PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> > Firstly: I'm sorry that you are receiving those messages. People
> > should not feel harassed in that way when communicating on GNU lists.
>
> WRONG
>
> When people
Mike> [...] One again, I ask that people please assume that
Mike> moderators are acting in good faith.
I would like to say that Mike and others who have moderated have done a
very generous and good job.
Mike, I hope that you realize that most people feel that way (I'm a
physicist, so
The impossibility is in that you might not get unsubscribed even if
baning someone from this list. And what use would that be? To make a
pointless stance on top of a mountain of authority?
Apparently gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org owners have
chosen to do nothing about it and therefore it is
On 23.02.2020 23:34, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
I do see that some people do not judge the document for what it actually
says, and I think it’s a pity.
Over the last decade I have, again, not been silent about a desire to
work towards a collectively-run GNU. But I’ve also done a lot for GNU
in
Hi Dmitri,
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:12:09PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 23.02.2020 23:34, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > I do see that some people do not judge the document for what it actually
> > says, and I think it’s a pity.
> >
> > Over the last decade I have, again, not been silent about
On 24.02.2020 12:34, Andreas R. wrote:
It is not without reason motivations are considered ouf of scope for the
discussion. In order to facilitate any constructive dialogue,
we were asked to assume good faith, which in this case means that whatever
reasons people have to participate in drafting
Ian Lance Taylor skribis:
> nipponm...@firemail.cc writes:
>
>> I'm not on this list to see a do-nothing guy foment all day and night
>> filling up my inbox. Ruben: If you want to sue, sue. You're a Jew, you
>> know lots of lawyers. Stop fomenting and keveching and just file your
>> suit.
>
> As
I feel the same, itâs terrible that such messages are tolerated.
They aren't, and please stop implying that they are. You ask us to
moderate the list, which we do, but we cannot moderate every single
message that is sent here. But then quickly complain when your
messages are not sent
> I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying
intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to
harassment. I'm surprised that this behavior is tolerated and not
identified as a source
Taylan Kammer wrote:
I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying intention (I get
into this in detail below) amounting to harassment. I'm surprised that this behavior
is tolerated and not identified as a
Hello Mike,
On Mon 24 Feb 2020 04:58, Mike Gerwitz writes:
> We've had a few people in particular that have been especially
> problematic, and one person in particular that has many different
> aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the
> person has forcefully
Unfortunately the only real solution here is to block all of his emails and
domains. I tried unsubscribing too but it didn’t seem to do anything
Feb 23, 2020, 21:28 by j...@forestfield.org:
> Taylan Kammer wrote:
>
>> I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
>>
>
>
On 2/18/20 12:07 AM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 17:25:38 +0100, Nathan Sidwell wrote:
Indeed, given the toxicity on this list, I had presumed there was no
moderation (any more). If it is that modereration is being applied, it is
either sorely deficient, or an indication of the
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 19:34:07 -0600, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
>> It was, and it is not “tolerated”, this is bad faith: it is simply
>> impossible to do anything about that.
>
> gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org list owners could remove ru...@mrbrklyn.com from
> the list
On 24.02.2020 06:28, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
Taylan Kammer wrote:
I've had the same problem. No idea what he's trying to achieve...
What I see is indistinguishable from spam but with more annoying
intention (I get into this in detail below) amounting to harassment. I'm
surprised that this
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