Re: [GNC] GNUCash Finance Quote Error with YahooWeb

[Mike Alexander]

This is in code that I added in V1.59 so it's probably my fault, but I 
can't see how it could happen.  It would imply that yahoo web returned a 
page with a price history table in it but there was no first price 
history table in the page. I.e., it had a table, but then it didn't have 
a first table.


Try running gnucash-cli on each of your symbols until you find the one 
that fails.  Then switch that one to some other quote method.  If you 
let me know which one failed I can try to figure out why.  Or, if you're 
up to applying a patch to finance-quote, I can send you a patch that 
should report the problem and keep going.


Mike

On 8 Jan 2024, at 19:20, Fross, Michael wrote:

Hello.  A few days ago I started to get the attached error when I 
attempted

to download quotes with GNUCash with YahooWeb as a source.

Running direct from the command line seems to work fine:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash-cli.exe" --verbose -Q dump
YahooWeb AAPL
aapl:
high => 185.59
 low => 181.50
 success => 1
date => 01/08/2024
name => Apple Inc.
  method => yahooweb
last => 185.56
currency => USD
 isodate => 2024-01-08
  symbol => aapl
open => 181.99
  volume => 58101744
exchange => NasdaqGS - NasdaqGS Real Time Price

I'm using the latest gnucash version (v5.5), running on Windows 11Pro, 
and

have F:Q 1.59 installed, and I'm using YahooWeb as the source.

I have not heard anything about this on the list, so there is a good 
chance
it's me.  I have changed to other sources, and MarketWatch worked for 
most

of my symbols, but not all.  AlphaVantage also worked until it hit its
limit.  Seems like something with YahooWeb specifically.  I'd like to 
keep

using it as it seems fast and all of my symbols work with it.

Happy to help figure this out.  I'll take a look at the YahooWeb.pm 
file

tomorrow and see what I can find.

Michael
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

By "manually enter" I mean to trigger the entry into the register of the
next scheduled instance of a single scheduled transaction [SX] without
invoking the Since Last Run druid.  I would expect that to be an action
available in the SX editor.

Since one SX may contain more than one separate register transaction, I
would expect the entire contents of the SX to be executed, including all
the register transactions therein.

I guess there would need to be some logic to detect that there were no
pending edits, invalid arguments, to update the SX status and whatever to
remain valid for the Since Last Run druid

.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:14 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> What do you mean by "manually enter a SX?"
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/11/24 4:19 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > I think that we need to see how SX's will work after the Since Last Run
> > druid is fixed before proposing more improvements.  If I understand
> > correctly, there is an unresolved issue preventing nightly builds, so it
> > will be difficult to test anything right now anyway.
> >
> > As for balancing SX's, I often resort to entering each value on both
> sides,
> > using plus [or minus] signs instead of summing multiple values.
> >
> > A long time ago I submitted a feature request to provide the ability to
> > manually enter a SX.  I think that would help in some cases.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Carlson]

A comment about possible mechanisms that can appear to cause data loss:
Stuff that is saved in the GCM files is only updated when the program is
completely closed.

Saved reports, import configurations, register column widths and several
other items fall in that category.

Those items are not included in the log files or the automatic backups.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:10 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> David, see that bug report John linked.
>
> Something is amiss. Where, remains to be found.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/11/24 9:57 PM, David Cousens wrote:
> > Jack,
> >
> > What do you mean by a rogue transaction? Is this by any chance a
> transaction
> > which has one split to an IMbalance" account?  If this is the case then
> it may
> > be that you are not assigning the transfer account  befor committing the
> > transaction with the return key. If no account has been assigned to th
> seoncd
> > line of the transaction it will be automatically assigned to the
> Imbalance
> > account, the purpose of which is to alert you that nyou need to assign an
> > appropriate account to that second split.
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I'll look into these options. I just have it in my head that the point of a 
scheduled transaction is to save me from having to remember to create a 
transaction, and if I have to remember to run the SLR in order to have them 
created, then I've just changed the work, not reduced it. 

But thanks for some alternatives to try!

⁣David T.​

On Jan 11, 2024, 8:51 PM, at 8:51 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:
>That sounds like you have an SX to autocreate. Perhaps turn that off
>and 
>it won't fire.
>
>Otherwise, perhaps turn off the preference to execute the Since Last
>Run 
>dialog on startup. You can still run it manually to fire any pending 
>SXs, but otherwise, not have it bother you if you just want to pop in 
>and out to check a balance.
>
>Another option (which I use for other reasons) is to simply leave 
>GnuCash open 24/7. That lets me see and do whatever I want, and I just 
>run the SLR periodically to fire my SXs. (Oddly, there is no 'watcher' 
>that fires them when the system date should otherwise trigger them)
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>On 1/11/24 3:36 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I've found the "Prompt for value" option with SXes to be downright
>annoying.
>> 
>> I go to Gnucash to check the balances in a savings account, and the
>SX dialog pops up asking me for a dollar amount for my electric bill
>(and won't seem to let me just click past). Inevitably, I just put in
>any old number-- defeating the whole purpose of that feature.
>> 
>> So, I've opted to have balanced transactions that may be off, which I
>correct when I reconcile the account. But then, I had to change some
>figures in one complex SX, and it didn't supply the balancing split.
>
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I am pretty sure I tried that, but it didn't actually do the calculation in the 
SX window. Which makes sense, I think, because that window allows formulas that 
get processed at runtime. 

⁣David T.​

On Jan 11, 2024, 8:46 PM, at 8:46 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:
>You don't have to do it in your head.
>
>While an extra step compared to normal registers, you can still do math
>
>on a split.
>
>When entering that balancing split, enter the amount as a sum formula. 
>(split one amount + split two amount, etc.) GnuCash will give you the 
>overall sum.
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>On 1/11/24 2:55 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I understand that there might be use cases in scheduled transactions
>where one might not want an automatic calculation, but is there a way
>to invoke it without manually adding up all the amounts in my head?
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Adrien Monteleone]

David, see that bug report John linked.

Something is amiss. Where, remains to be found.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 9:57 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Jack,

What do you mean by a rogue transaction? Is this by any chance a transaction
which has one split to an IMbalance" account?  If this is the case then it may
be that you are not assigning the transfer account  befor committing the
transaction with the return key. If no account has been assigned to th seoncd
line of the transaction it will be automatically assigned to the Imbalance
account, the purpose of which is to alert you that nyou need to assign an
appropriate account to that second split.


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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Adrien Monteleone]

Wow. Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 9:53 PM, john wrote:

Have a look at https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799093


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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Cousens]

Jack,

What do you mean by a rogue transaction? Is this by any chance a transaction
which has one split to an IMbalance" account?  If this is the case then it may
be that you are not assigning the transfer account  befor committing the
transaction with the return key. If no account has been assigned to th seoncd
line of the transaction it will be automatically assigned to the Imbalance
account, the purpose of which is to alert you that nyou need to assign an
appropriate account to that second split. 


On Thu, 2024-01-11 at 16:27 -0600, Jack Slater wrote:
> My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry down
> to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated transaction
> and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
> account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in fact
> gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
> Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.
> 
> The last error message is attached.
> 
> Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
> guy) please feel free to post back.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:31 PM Mark at Lorimark 
> wrote:
> 
> > You can post an image as an attachment to your email, it will be
> > available to the group here.
> > 
> > ~w:http://www.lorimarksolutions.com
> > 
> > On 1/11/24 13:00, Jack Slater wrote:
> > > Is there a way I post the image?
> > > 
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[john]

Adrien,

Have a look at https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799093

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jan 11, 2024, at 19:22, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> In 10+ years of GnuCash, I've never once seen a transaction appear that I 
> didn't put there myself.
> 
> -
> Someone else reported an error with an XML lib not long ago. It might be the 
> same one. If I recall correctly, this would have been after the 5.5 release. 
> As far as I remember, it generated a crash, but not 'rogue' transactions.
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 1/11/24 4:27 PM, Jack Slater wrote:
>> My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry down
>> to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated transaction
>> and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
>> account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in fact
>> gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
>> Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.
>> The last error message is attached.
>> Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
>> guy) please feel free to post back.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Adrien Monteleone]

In 10+ years of GnuCash, I've never once seen a transaction appear that 
I didn't put there myself.


-
Someone else reported an error with an XML lib not long ago. It might be 
the same one. If I recall correctly, this would have been after the 5.5 
release. As far as I remember, it generated a crash, but not 'rogue' 
transactions.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 4:27 PM, Jack Slater wrote:

My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry down
to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated transaction
and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in fact
gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.

The last error message is attached.

Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
guy) please feel free to post back.


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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Adrien Monteleone]

Unrelated to the topic, but this is at least the second recent time I 
see someone's reply eating random space characters between words. That 
is very odd, and of course, makes the reply difficult to read. (and that 
is very important when offering commands!) I can make heads and tails of 
it, but someone not familiar with the command line is going to be in a bind.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 6:26 PM, david amaral via gnucash-user wrote:

  Verify your windows OSopen cmd window as adminTypedism /Online /Cleanup-Image 
/RestoreHealthFollowed bysfc /scannow
check for bugs with free Norton NPEDownload and run Norton Power Eraser - Free 
virus and malware removal tool for Windows


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

What do you mean by "manually enter a SX?"

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 4:19 PM, David Carlson wrote:

I think that we need to see how SX's will work after the Since Last Run
druid is fixed before proposing more improvements.  If I understand
correctly, there is an unresolved issue preventing nightly builds, so it
will be difficult to test anything right now anyway.

As for balancing SX's, I often resort to entering each value on both sides,
using plus [or minus] signs instead of summing multiple values.

A long time ago I submitted a feature request to provide the ability to
manually enter a SX.  I think that would help in some cases.


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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[david amaral via gnucash-user]

 Verify your windows OSopen cmd window as adminTypedism /Online /Cleanup-Image 
/RestoreHealthFollowed bysfc /scannow
check for bugs with free Norton NPEDownload and run Norton Power Eraser - Free 
virus and malware removal tool for Windows

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 02:43:08 PM GMT-7, Mark at Lorimark 
 wrote:  
 
 Going out on a limb...

These folks have a free virus scanner;

> https://www.eset.com/us/home/online-scanner/

Based on how you described the symptom, I'd start to be a little curious 
about that copy of Windows.

~w:http://www.lorimarksolutions.com

On 1/11/24 15:29, Joseph Keithley wrote:
> I have had similar issues.  My only "solution" was to hit the "Save" 
> button after any action or entry.  Gnucash can then crash as it always 
> does and I will only have lost at most one transaction.  I have the 
> autosave feature enabled for every 5 minutes.  The constant crashing 
> seems to be related to my Windows 10 installation.  Windows will 
> initiate some background process which I notice becuase the mouse pauses 
> for a microsecond and the screen will briefly flash as if a messsage box 
> were trying to pop up but it goes away so quickly I can't really figure 
> out what is going on.  Once this happens, if Gnucash is open I can bet 
> on a crash in short order.  There will be no notification, Gnucash just 
> quits and any unsaved work is lost.  If I reboot Wndows then Gnucash 
> doesn't crash until the next time Windows has its little hiccup.  The 
> hiccup happens at most once a month but it is still irritating to lose 
> my work.  The hiccup doesn't seem to bother any other running programs 
> to include Quicken 2016, Excel, and Comodo A/V and Firewall.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:33 PM Mark at Lorimark 
> mailto:m...@lorimarksolutions.com>> wrote:
> 
>    You can post an image as an attachment to your email, it will be
>    available to the group here.
> 
>    ~w:http://www.lorimarksolutions.com 
> 
>    On 1/11/24 13:00, Jack Slater wrote:
>      > Is there a way I post the image?
>      >
>      >
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Jack:

On 2024-01-11 09:11, Jack Slater wrote:

90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
final account
My commiserations. Yes, it is maddening to lose 90 minutes of work when 
the tech decides to fail you.

... Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
would that be


I can think of several interesting directions you could take this thread:

Why didn't GnuCash seem to preserve any of the changes in my 90 minutes 
of work?


How can I change my workflow so that I lose less work when the tech 
decides to fail me?


How can I improve the way I write message to this list, so that I get 
more helpful answers?


How can I stop these tech failures from happening?

On that last point, I can offer two concrete suggestions:

1. GnuCash has a "Check and Repair" feature which is useful to try when 
you are concerned about "rogue" transactions and such. Try going to the 
Accounts tab of the main window, and select menu item Actions -- Check 
and Repair -- Repair All. This menu is described a little in the GnuCash 
manual, section 4.2.1.4. "Account Tree - Actions Menu", at 
.


2. The text in your "Entry Point Not Found" dialogue, which GnuCash 
displays when it crashes, has been discussed on this list recently.  It 
is described in a bug report at 
. It is suspected to be 
problem from GnuCash 5.4 leaving pieces behind when GnuCash 5.5 
installs. There is a workaround there:


a. Use the File Explorer to open "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\"

b. If there is a file named "libxmlsec1.dll" present, but no file named 
"libxmlsec.dll", then rename file "libxmlsec1.dll" to the name 
"libxmlsec.dll" (without the trailing "1").


I do not use GnuCash on Windows, so I have no experience with this 
problem. I only know what I read. If you ask this list directly about 
how to work around this bug, Windows users may be able to give you 
better help.


I hope this helps,
 —Jim DeLaHunt


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Re: [GNC] Intermittent Crash when using recent File dropdown list. Filed as bug # 799215

[Tommy Trussell]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 7:00 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Also, since it is prompting you to save, that tells me something was
> edited without a save. Perhaps manually save, then attempt to switch. At
> least that should determine if the crash is happening on save, or upon
> opening the other book.
>

I too am trying to track down some crashes and unfortunately I am also
trying to get my bookkeeping done. I highlight this comment because maybe
it's somehow related. I'm running 5.4.1 Flatpak on Ubuntu 22.04.3

My main GnuCash data file (with many years of transactions and about 90
scheduled transactions) ALWAYS shows that it needs to save when I first
open it. I suspect it could be a scheduled transaction, maybe a "zombie"
one that's no longer used, but I haven't taken the time to track it down...

I will note that as soon as I open the data file, the logfile is already
created with essentially nothing in it.

Here's an example from today where I opened the data file, looked for
something and then closed it without saving. Pretty much always it starts
with four START / END sequences at the top.


mod trans_guid split_guid time_now date_entered date_posted acc_guid
acc_name num description notes memo action reconciled amount value
date_reconciled
-
= START
= END
= START
= END
= START
= END
= START
= END
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

My last post wrote how I had in fact done a hard save after each entry down
to the point where I had to delete the "rogue" system generated transaction
and it crashed again. So reboot again. Start GnC. Reconcile the last
account I was doing. Scanned for the "rogue" transaction and it was in fact
gone. Went through the reconcile transactions and completed successfully.
Closed GnC. I'll be curious next Thursday to see what happens again.

The last error message is attached.

Any suggestions on what happened or what to check that I (none coder tech
guy) please feel free to post back.

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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David Carlson]

I think that we need to see how SX's will work after the Since Last Run
druid is fixed before proposing more improvements.  If I understand
correctly, there is an unresolved issue preventing nightly builds, so it
will be difficult to test anything right now anyway.

As for balancing SX's, I often resort to entering each value on both sides,
using plus [or minus] signs instead of summing multiple values.

A long time ago I submitted a feature request to provide the ability to
manually enter a SX.  I think that would help in some cases.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 1:50 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> That sounds like you have an SX to autocreate. Perhaps turn that off and
> it won't fire.
>
> Otherwise, perhaps turn off the preference to execute the Since Last Run
> dialog on startup. You can still run it manually to fire any pending
> SXs, but otherwise, not have it bother you if you just want to pop in
> and out to check a balance.
>
> Another option (which I use for other reasons) is to simply leave
> GnuCash open 24/7. That lets me see and do whatever I want, and I just
> run the SLR periodically to fire my SXs. (Oddly, there is no 'watcher'
> that fires them when the system date should otherwise trigger them)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/11/24 3:36 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I've found the "Prompt for value" option with SXes to be downright
> annoying.
> >
> > I go to Gnucash to check the balances in a savings account, and the SX
> dialog pops up asking me for a dollar amount for my electric bill (and
> won't seem to let me just click past). Inevitably, I just put in any old
> number-- defeating the whole purpose of that feature.
> >
> > So, I've opted to have balanced transactions that may be off, which I
> correct when I reconcile the account. But then, I had to change some
> figures in one complex SX, and it didn't supply the balancing split.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Mark at Lorimark]

Going out on a limb...

These folks have a free virus scanner;


https://www.eset.com/us/home/online-scanner/


Based on how you described the symptom, I'd start to be a little curious 
about that copy of Windows.


~w:http://www.lorimarksolutions.com

On 1/11/24 15:29, Joseph Keithley wrote:
I have had similar issues.  My only "solution" was to hit the "Save" 
button after any action or entry.  Gnucash can then crash as it always 
does and I will only have lost at most one transaction.  I have the 
autosave feature enabled for every 5 minutes.  The constant crashing 
seems to be related to my Windows 10 installation.  Windows will 
initiate some background process which I notice becuase the mouse pauses 
for a microsecond and the screen will briefly flash as if a messsage box 
were trying to pop up but it goes away so quickly I can't really figure 
out what is going on.  Once this happens, if Gnucash is open I can bet 
on a crash in short order.  There will be no notification, Gnucash just 
quits and any unsaved work is lost.  If I reboot Wndows then Gnucash 
doesn't crash until the next time Windows has its little hiccup.  The 
hiccup happens at most once a month but it is still irritating to lose 
my work.  The hiccup doesn't seem to bother any other running programs 
to include Quicken 2016, Excel, and Comodo A/V and Firewall.




On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:33 PM Mark at Lorimark 
mailto:m...@lorimarksolutions.com>> wrote:


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On 1/11/24 13:00, Jack Slater wrote:
 > Is there a way I post the image?
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Joseph Keithley]

I have had similar issues.  My only "solution" was to hit the "Save" button
after any action or entry.  Gnucash can then crash as it always does and I
will only have lost at most one transaction.  I have the autosave feature
enabled for every 5 minutes.  The constant crashing seems to be related to
my Windows 10 installation.  Windows will initiate some background process
which I notice becuase the mouse pauses for a microsecond and the screen
will briefly flash as if a messsage box were trying to pop up but it goes
away so quickly I can't really figure out what is going on.  Once this
happens, if Gnucash is open I can bet on a crash in short order.  There
will be no notification, Gnucash just quits and any unsaved work is lost.
If I reboot Wndows then Gnucash doesn't crash until the next time Windows
has its little hiccup.  The hiccup happens at most once a month but it is
still irritating to lose my work.  The hiccup doesn't seem to bother any
other running programs to include Quicken 2016, Excel, and Comodo A/V and
Firewall.



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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Mark at Lorimark]

You can post an image as an attachment to your email, it will be 
available to the group here.


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On 1/11/24 13:00, Jack Slater wrote:

Is there a way I post the image?



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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

That sounds like you have an SX to autocreate. Perhaps turn that off and 
it won't fire.


Otherwise, perhaps turn off the preference to execute the Since Last Run 
dialog on startup. You can still run it manually to fire any pending 
SXs, but otherwise, not have it bother you if you just want to pop in 
and out to check a balance.


Another option (which I use for other reasons) is to simply leave 
GnuCash open 24/7. That lets me see and do whatever I want, and I just 
run the SLR periodically to fire my SXs. (Oddly, there is no 'watcher' 
that fires them when the system date should otherwise trigger them)


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 3:36 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

I've found the "Prompt for value" option with SXes to be downright annoying.

I go to Gnucash to check the balances in a savings account, and the SX dialog 
pops up asking me for a dollar amount for my electric bill (and won't seem to 
let me just click past). Inevitably, I just put in any old number-- defeating 
the whole purpose of that feature.

So, I've opted to have balanced transactions that may be off, which I correct 
when I reconcile the account. But then, I had to change some figures in one 
complex SX, and it didn't supply the balancing split.


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

You don't have to do it in your head.

While an extra step compared to normal registers, you can still do math 
on a split.


When entering that balancing split, enter the amount as a sum formula. 
(split one amount + split two amount, etc.) GnuCash will give you the 
overall sum.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 2:55 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

I understand that there might be use cases in scheduled transactions where one 
might not want an automatic calculation, but is there a way to invoke it 
without manually adding up all the amounts in my head?


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Adrien Monteleone]

I would guess that the code for calculating the balancing amount as the 
sum of the other splits is part of the code that forces the transaction 
to be balanced before committing.


Since SXs don't have this rule, that code to sum the other splits never 
gets executed.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 1:17 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote:

I've noticed that too. I'm not aware of any workaround. (Another
difference is that if you enter an amount with fewer decimal places that
appropriate for your currency, the SX editor does not fill in zeroes.
They _are_ filled in when the transaction fires.)

The SX editor doesn't force you to balance the transaction. I haven't
tried this, but why not just leave it unbalanced, and when the
transaction fires you'll have a split for Imbalance. You can then change
that to the desired account.


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I've found the "Prompt for value" option with SXes to be downright annoying.

I go to Gnucash to check the balances in a savings account, and the SX dialog 
pops up asking me for a dollar amount for my electric bill (and won't seem to 
let me just click past). Inevitably, I just put in any old number-- defeating 
the whole purpose of that feature. 

So, I've opted to have balanced transactions that may be off, which I correct 
when I reconcile the account. But then, I had to change some figures in one 
complex SX, and it didn't supply the balancing split.

David T.​

On Jan 11, 2024, 8:17 PM, at 8:17 PM, "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)" 
 wrote:
>On 2024-01-11 12:55, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Long time user working in Windows 10 with Gnucash 4.13. 
>> 
>> I have a number of scheduled transactions that I use; one of them
>> has multiple splits. With the new year, I needed to update this
>> scheduled transaction. I began modifying the amounts on different
>> lines of the transaction, and when I got to entering the contra
>> account against which all the other splits would balance, I was
>> surprised to find that the automatic calculation feature of Gnucash
>> registers was not active. I understand that there might be use cases
>> in scheduled transactions where one might not want an automatic
>> calculation, but is there a way to invoke it without manually adding
>> up all the amounts in my head?
>
>I've noticed that too. I'm not aware of any workaround. (Another
>difference is that if you enter an amount with fewer decimal places
>that
>appropriate for your currency, the SX editor does not fill in zeroes.
>They _are_ filled in when the transaction fires.)
>
>The SX editor doesn't force you to balance the transaction. I haven't
>tried this, but why not just leave it unbalanced, and when the
>transaction fires you'll have a split for Imbalance. You can then
>change
>that to the desired account.
>
>Stan Brown
>Tehachapi, CA, USA
>https://BrownMath.com/
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 1/11/2024 12:11 PM, Jack Slater wrote:

90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
would that be



Horses and barn doors and all that.

This is really a work flow issue. Back in my working days I would NEVER 
work for 90 minutes without having done several HARD SAVES (save, close, 
reopen file). Especially when doing something stressful like 
editing/writing in assembler. Thirty minutes, take a 5 minute break. Do 
it for 90 minutes straight and I'd expect to have made attention loss 
errors even if the computer didn't misbehave.


The "autosave" is a "soft save". You could use the last interim back-up 
to recover (to the point of that autosave). But you won't have a "mark" 
in your work to show you where that was << say you were entering a big 
pile of transactions >>  Returning from a hard save you probably know 
where you were.



Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2024-01-11 12:55, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> Long time user working in Windows 10 with Gnucash 4.13. 
> 
> I have a number of scheduled transactions that I use; one of them
> has multiple splits. With the new year, I needed to update this
> scheduled transaction. I began modifying the amounts on different
> lines of the transaction, and when I got to entering the contra
> account against which all the other splits would balance, I was
> surprised to find that the automatic calculation feature of Gnucash
> registers was not active. I understand that there might be use cases
> in scheduled transactions where one might not want an automatic
> calculation, but is there a way to invoke it without manually adding
> up all the amounts in my head?

I've noticed that too. I'm not aware of any workaround. (Another
difference is that if you enter an amount with fewer decimal places that
appropriate for your currency, the SX editor does not fill in zeroes.
They _are_ filled in when the transaction fires.)

The SX editor doesn't force you to balance the transaction. I haven't
tried this, but why not just leave it unbalanced, and when the
transaction fires you'll have a split for Imbalance. You can then change
that to the desired account.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Here's what I have done so far
Rebooted, updated to 5.5, went through the entire reconcile process
(savings, checking, credit) and after each correcting entry I saved. I
noticed after an added entry near the end that a "rogue" entry had been
created in the same account, same name of payee, but a different amount. I
left it alone and continued on until all reconciled. I had a few double
entries which I deleted, saving the file after each. When I got to the last
entry to delete (the rogue entry) I attempted it, the program paused and
then crashed. When I tried to restart GnC, I got an error pop up. Refers to
an entry point that could not be located. Is there a way I post the image?

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 12:42 PM Glenn Fowler  wrote:

> Perhaps there is info in the stack trace:
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
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> *From:* gnucash-user  outlook@gnucash.org> on behalf of Jack Slater 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:41 PM
> *To:* Dale Alspach 
> *Cc:* gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Maddening
>
> Sorry Dale but I'd no idea how or what to look for or do.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:35 AM Dale Alspach  wrote:
>
> > You may find some of this in the log files and be able to "replay the
> > changes to transactions".
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jack Slater 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of
> the
> >> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
> >> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account!
> Why
> >> would that be
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[GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Hello, 

Long time user working in Windows 10 with Gnucash 4.13. 

I have a number of scheduled transactions that I use; one of them has multiple 
splits. With the new year, I needed to update this scheduled transaction. I 
began modifying the amounts on different lines of the transaction, and when I 
got to entering the contra account against which all the other splits would 
balance, I was surprised to find that the automatic calculation feature of 
Gnucash registers was not active. I understand that there might be use cases in 
scheduled transactions where one might not want an automatic calculation, but 
is there a way to invoke it without manually adding up all the amounts in my 
head? 

⁣David T.​
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Glenn Fowler]

Perhaps there is info in the stack trace:  
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace

From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Jack Slater 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:41 PM
To: Dale Alspach 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Maddening

Sorry Dale but I'd no idea how or what to look for or do.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:35 AM Dale Alspach  wrote:

> You may find some of this in the log files and be able to "replay the
> changes to transactions".
>
> Dale
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jack Slater 
> wrote:
>
>> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
>> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
>> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
>> would that be
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

Sorry Dale but I'd no idea how or what to look for or do.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:35 AM Dale Alspach  wrote:

> You may find some of this in the log files and be able to "replay the
> changes to transactions".
>
> Dale
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jack Slater 
> wrote:
>
>> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
>> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
>> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
>> would that be
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

I wasn't "importing" anything, just reconciling the same accounts I've been
doing the same way every month for years. After reopening the file I
noticed "new" entries that I never made and when I tried to delete them it
crashed again. So I rebooted the PC, opened my backup file (external drive)
from 1/4, started reconciling the 1st account (bank checking) and during
that process I had to delete 2 transactions and add 3 and amazingly enough
a "rogue" deposit appeared. So now I'm at a loss as to what to do since the
backup crashed as well!.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:30 AM David Carlson 
wrote:

> Sounds like you were trying to import too much data in one shot.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:20 AM Jack Slater 
> wrote:
>
>> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
>> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
>> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
>> would that be
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashing when creating expense reports

[Maria Inmaculada de la Torre]

Hello Adrien,

My apologies about the incorrect reply, it was my first time sending
information to the list. And yes all reports are working fine in the
previous version 5.4, I have generated the biggest one of them and had no
issues.

Thank you for the help and advice.

Regards,

Inma

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 at 16:07, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Please remember to copy the list on all replies. That way others can
> benefit from the discussion.
>
> Glad to hear 5.4 is working fine for you.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/11/24 5:40 AM, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre wrote:
> > Thanks, I have installed the previous version and the reports seem to be
> working now. I will keep the old version for the time being while this is
> being worked on.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Dale Alspach]

You may find some of this in the log files and be able to "replay the
changes to transactions".

Dale

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jack Slater  wrote:

> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[David Carlson]

Sounds like you were trying to import too much data in one shot.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:20 AM Jack Slater  wrote:

> 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
> final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
> none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
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[GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Jack Slater]

90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
final account. Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account! Why
would that be
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Re: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching transactions

[John Haiducek]

Checking "Clear" (or "Update+Clear") doesn't work in my case. When I check
those it says "Match missing!", even for cases where every imported field
is identical to an existing transaction.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:44 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> I've been having the same issue with qfx/ofx files,  but I find when I
> click on the clear check box it finds the matching transaction. You might
> want to try that.
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: John Haiducek 
> Date: 1/11/24 10:43 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GNU Cash User 
> Subject: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching
> transactions
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a list somewhere of what fields are checked by the importer when
> matching transactions? I'm trying to import a CSV file that contains
> already-existing transactions and the importer is failing to detect them
> (there are hundreds so I don't want to manually de-select them all).
>
> John
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Re: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching transactions

[Gyle McCollam]

I've been having the same issue with qfx/ofx files,  but I find when I click on 
the clear check box it finds the matching transaction. You might want to try 
that.



Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



 Original message 
From: John Haiducek 
Date: 1/11/24 10:43 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: GNU Cash User 
Subject: [GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching transactions

Hi,

Is there a list somewhere of what fields are checked by the importer when
matching transactions? I'm trying to import a CSV file that contains
already-existing transactions and the importer is failing to detect them
(there are hundreds so I don't want to manually de-select them all).

John
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Re: [GNC] Idiot 101 question

[Adrien Monteleone]

If their drives with OS installations are intact, perhaps converting 
them to VM images might suffice for now.


As for Windows software, have you given the latest Wine a spin with it? 
It may not work 100% out of the box, but you might get close enough with 
some fiddling.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 2:15 AM, Jeff wrote:
I'm just trying to get back to gnc and unfortunately a windows program, 
H@r Block.  Without at least 2 computers this almost difficult task 
unless you have a way to run H@r Block windows version 2023 under ubuntu?


And right now I have only one computer.  A surge supseror exploded and 
fried all of my computers.  I have a temporary replacement for the 
network server but not any workstations.


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Re: [GNC] Idiot 101 question

[Adrien Monteleone]

That's a bummer. Now imagine you're dealing with Google and since you 
changed ISPs and your IP address is different, they don't think it is 
'you' any more, despite knowing relevant passwords and having 2FA set 
up! (and not having anyone to contact about it)


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 1:53 AM, Jeff wrote:
This f'ing 3 layer 
security is ridiculous and unnecessary. I keep getting locked out of one 
of my banks every time I to login. Changing passwords every time I log 
in is ridiculous. 


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashing when creating expense reports

[Adrien Monteleone]

Please remember to copy the list on all replies. That way others can 
benefit from the discussion.


Glad to hear 5.4 is working fine for you.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/11/24 5:40 AM, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre wrote:

Thanks, I have installed the previous version and the reports seem to be 
working now. I will keep the old version for the time being while this is being 
worked on.



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[GNC] List of fields checked by importer when matching transactions

[John Haiducek]

Hi,

Is there a list somewhere of what fields are checked by the importer when
matching transactions? I'm trying to import a CSV file that contains
already-existing transactions and the importer is failing to detect them
(there are hundreds so I don't want to manually de-select them all).

John
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Re: [GNC] Idiot 101 question

[Jeff]

On 1/10/24 1:48 AM, David Carlson wrote:
Oh, release 5.5 has a couple of bugs, the Windoze version especially.  
You may want to revert to release 5.4, but that has it's own issue, so 
check the history here and choose your poison.


On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:42 AM David Carlson 
 wrote:


Maybe we should take a lesson from you and put that surge
protected power strip next to our pc or entertainment center
inside a very sturdy box if it isn't already in it's own container.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:06 AM Jeff 
wrote:

After a surge protector blew up in my face and fried my server
and
workstations I am trying to catch up. I assume the update to
5.5 is
compatible on Ubuntu and Windoze?  It's tax time and I am down
to 0
workstations, from 4, until I can locate a station strictly
for taxes.

And yes, you will soil your pants no matter how many surge
protectors
you have explode in your face.  Thankfully this one was only a
15 amp
one and not the 10 KW inverter that exploded in my face at work.

-- 
--JEffrey Black M.B.A.


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David Carlson


David:

I'm just trying to get back to gnc and unfortunately a windows program, 
H@r Block.  Without at least 2 computers this almost difficult task 
unless you have a way to run H@r Block windows version 2023 under ubuntu?


And right now I have only one computer.  A surge supseror exploded and 
fried all of my computers.  I have a temporary replacement for the 
network server but not any workstations.


--
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