Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Heather Morrison
Exactly, Lisa. Scholarly communication does not have to be a market, and I argue it is better if it is not. Dr. Heather Morrison Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University of Ottawa Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information, Université d'Ottawa Principal

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Lisa Hinchliffe
I agree these are interesting projects/products/goods. However, as examples they aren't examples of a market are they? ___ Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe lisalibrar...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 12:22 PM Heather Morrison < heather.morri...@uottawa.ca> wrote: > Two examples of transparent

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Heather Morrison
Two examples of transparent pricing: SSHRC Aid to Scholarly Journals (Canad): http://www.sshrc-crsh.gc.ca/funding-financement/programs-programmes/scholarly_journals-revues_savantes-eng.aspx This is a peer-reviewed journal subsidy program. The $ value, journal eligibility, application and review

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Lisa Hinchliffe
With this analysis, I'm not sure there is such a thing as a transparent market then. Is there? ___ Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe lisalibrar...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:01 AM Heather Morrison < heather.morri...@uottawa.ca> wrote: > hi Lisa, > > Thanks for the question. > > If one

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Heather Morrison
hi Lisa, Thanks for the question. If one individual author, institution, or funder looks at the publisher's website and sees a price (list price), but do not know that others do not pay that price, that is a lack of transparency. This is similar to going to buy a car and thinking the sticker

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Lisa Hinchliffe
Heather, can you explain a bit your claim that different people paying different prices means the market isn't transparent? Is that inherently non-transparent? Or, are you suggesting the issue is that it isn't publicly known what the different prices are? Lisa ___ Lisa Janicke Hinchliffe

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Heather Morrison
Dirk says with respect to OpenAPCs: "the real costs for academic institutions and funders...deviate from list prices for various reasons". If correct, as I assume it is, this is not a transparent market. For example, I assume this means authors who are not covered by institutions or funders are

[GOAL] Open Science Conference 2020 // Call for Poster Presentations & Call for Speakers // Deadline 11 October

2019-09-04 Thread Siegert Olaf
-- Call for Poster Presentations and Speakers Open Science Conference 2020 (11-12 March 2020, Berlin, Germany) This call invites the research community as well as further important stakeholders of the Open Science movement to submit an abstract for one of the following calls. If you have any

Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-04 Thread Pieper, Dirk
Dear Heather, thank you, I fully agree. Just some additional remarks: The monitoring of publishers list prices is very important, the approach of OpenAPC is to monitor the real costs per article for academic institutions and funders, which deviate from list prices for various reasons. Both