[Goanet-news]21 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Oct 21, 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: ROOF OF RETREAT HOUSE AT BOM JESUS BASILICA GOES UP IN FLAMES: Half of the roof of Lighthouse, the retreat house attached to the Bom Jesus Basilica, went up in flames very early this morning, causing substantial damage to the premises which had been repaired recently for the forthcoming Exposition. The cause of the fire is suspected to be electrical short circuit. Besides the roof, the fire reduced to ashes books, documents, computers, furniture, etc. Fortunately, the batch of people who had gathered for a retreat, had returned home yesterday evening otherwise there could have been even deaths. Fr Lewis, who is in charge of the Lighthouse was also not there. Around 1.30 am this morning, Fr Moreno de Souza, SJ, was disturbed by a crackling sound and realized that something was burning. Unfortunately, the staff of the fire brigade, which is situated just a few furlongs from the Basilica, didn't seem to know where the Basilica is located and went around it for quite some time, and even when they arrived at the scene of the mishap, they hardly had enough water to put off the flames. While providing the information Fr Olavo Velho Pereira, Secretary of the Diocesan Centre of Social Communcations, said that though the damage has been extensive, it could have been far worse, and it was only the divine providence that prevented further damaged to the Basilica. (GoaNOW) MASKED MEN STORM SIRSAIM PETROL PUMP: In a daring dacoity at around 7.30 pm, five men wearing masks attacked and assaulted the staff of a petrol pump and the customers and decamped with cash amounting to Rs.40,000 and also a mangalsutra at Sirsaim in Tivim. (GT) POLLUTION BOARD TIGHTENS SCREWS: The Goa State Pollution Control Board has cracked the whip on five steel industrial units at the Kundaim Industrial Estate on the grounds of causing environmental pollution and has warned of closure if they fail to control the pollution effectively. (H) SCHEME TO DEVELOP STATE'S VILLAGES: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar launched a new scheme called Goa Gram Samridhi Yojana to make state's villages as model villages equipped with all infrastructure. He launched the scheme at a function held at Sirlim-Dramapur on 19 October evening on the birthday of Water Resources and RDA Minister Felipe Neri Rodrigues. (GT) RS.2,8I2,00 STOLEN FROM CAR: Cash amounting to Rs.2,82,000 was allegedly stolen from a Maruti car parked near the collector's office in the city (Panaji) on the afternoon of October 19. The lock of the car was broken by the thieves, according to a complaint lodged by Mr Joseph Francis Vaz from Ilha de Rachol. (NT) CORPORATION IN LIST OF DEFAULTERS: A government-owned corporation, some prominent Margao-based builders and a doctor figure in the latest list complied by the department of Electricity and forwarded to the Salcete Mamlatdar for recovery of electricity dues. (H) ILLEGAL SHACKS DEMOLISHED: Just one day after GT exposed widespread illegalities and absence of lifeguards at Calangute beach, Tourism department teams swooped down on the northern coastal belt and demolished illegal shacks, confiscated beach furniture and cleared off illegal hawkers. (GT) PANJIM MAYOR TO QUIT? Is the Mayor of the Corporation of the City of Panaji, Ashok Naik, likely to step down from the post on Thursday? Rumours were rife on Wednesday that Naik may put in his papers as he is believed to be extremely dissatisfied over some recent development in the city. (H) NO-CONFIDENCE MOTION: Seven councilors of the Mapusa Municipal Council have moved a motion of no-confidence against the incumbent chairperson Michael Carrasco. (GT) BOOK EXHIBITION: The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, inaugurated 'Granth Vihar', a permanent book exhibition-cum-sale centre on October 20, at Dhavli, Ponda. The centre having about 2,000 books on various subjects is set up by Ms Varsha M Dhavlikar and Mr Mukund N Dhavlikar. (NT) SARPANCH OF AZOSSIM-MANDUR: Mr Francisco Po was elected unopposed as the sarpanch of the seven-member village panchayat of Azossim-Mandur (Tiswadi) on October 20. The vacancy was caused by the resignation of the earlier sarpanch, Mr Devnath Naik. (NT) TWO KONKANI FILMS AT IFFI: The directorate of film festivals, ministry of information and
[Goanet-news]GOANET-READER -- Caste and traditional hierarchy in Goan society
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## TO KONNA'LO? GOAN SOCIETY IS BASED ON A TRADITIONAL HIERARCHY By Lucio Rodrigues --- Courtesy 'Goan Literature: A Modern Reader', Guest Editor: Peter Nazareth. From the Journal of South Asian Literature, Winter, Spring 1983. US ISSN 0091-5637. Reproduced with permission of the editor. --- KONKANI HAS ITS own unique expressions -- words, phrases, idioms, proverbs, and other folksy linguistic miracles which defy translation into any other language. *To konna'lo?* is one such, with its several inflexions according to gender and number: *tem konnalem*, *ti konna'li*, *te konna'le*, *teo konna'leo*, *tim konna'lim*. Literary, the phrase means, Which family does he belong to? or Who are his parents? It is apparently a simple interrogative, an expression of normal, healthy curiosity, expressing the concern that one human being has for another. But to those who know their Konkani and belong to the social matrix of Goa, the phrase is far from simple and innocuous. True, it does express curiosity, but the curiosity is not the elementary curiosity of a mere individual. It is the highly sophisticated curiosity of the community, or organised society. The phrase is a masterpiece of verbal economy and semantic subtlety. It implies a social and moral attitude that is the result of a whole way of life rooted in the soil of Goa. Though the phrase is known to all, it is never used indiscriminately. It is not to be bandied about in the street or in the market-place. You cannot just speak it out glibly, or shout it out brazenly. Even in the drawing-room or the dance-hall, you cannot mouth it tactlessly. To do so would be the height of impertinence, and you would be summarily condemned as a very ill-mannered yokel. In fact, the use of the phrase calls for the proper occasion and situation, the proper place and time, and above all, the most practised gesture and inflexion of voice. Its utterance is part of a code. Goan society is based on a traditional hierarchy which has its origins in ancient Hindu India. It is a hierarchy of many tiers, arranged in a descending scale, each tier made up of a homogeneous group, with its own status, it own priviledges and responsibilities, its own loyalties, and its own code of honour, which have to be zealously guarded. An individual's place in this hierarchy is determined solely by the accident of birth. The gods decided it all for you: you are born into a family which belongs to one of the social tiers, and there you belong, there you stay. Like the fixed stars in the heavens, you have your fixed station in the social firmament, and your set orbit. In the good old days, before emigration and the spread of education began to disturb the feudal stability of life in Goa, everyone knew practically everyone else. Your identity was known, not only who you were but also where you belonged. This is generally true in the villages even today. Such was the thoroughness with which the hierarchic social system was perpetuated that a large number of Hindu surnames could be interpreted as marks of identification which placed you definitely in one of the social tiers. However, an accident of history took place to disturb the old social order. Foreign conquest and conversion in the sixteenth century introduced new ideas of a free and equal society in Goa. The logic of the principle that all men are equal was a challenge to the traditional hierarchic practice, and the situation was fraught with perils. But the challenge had to be faced. Habits die hard; position and privilege cannot be easily surrendered; group loyalties cultivated over the centuries cannot be given up. The new ideas of social mobility were a threat to the homogeneity of the group. The purity of the social group had to be maintained, the well-being of the members assured. This could be done by sedulously preventing the infiltration of intruders and upstarts, of outsiders. Under the new dispensation this was not as easy as before. Names, for example, were arbitrarily changed, and one clue to the identity of an individual came to be lost. Fernandes or Colaco offered no clue to the status of an individual christened with the new foreign name, as Sardesai or Borkar offered. A Colaco could be anyone from the highest-born to the lowest-born. In this state of anonymity and impending social confusion a technique had to be devised to discover the identity of the individual, so that the privileges enjoyed exclusively by the high-born could be safeguarded. In the field of
[Goanet]History - A Layman's Point of View
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## HISTORY - A LAYMAN'S POINT OF VIEW A talk History - A Layman's Point of View will held by Mr Suresh Gundu Amonkar at the in the History Hour series at Xavier Centre of Historical Research at Porvorim on 28th October, 2004, at 5.30 pm. The talk will be divided into two parts. The first one deals with the perceptions about history that we acquire as we learn history and as we are taught history formally or informally throughout life. Mr Amonkar will deal with his own perception of history and the role of teachers of history in teaching history. The second part of the talk deals with the role of Jesuits in the use of local languages during 16th and 17th centuries in India and the principles that guided them in pursuing their mission. Suresh Gundu Amonkar has been active in the field of education since 1954. He was educated in Goa, Bombay and Pune. He taught in Kenya (East Africa) (1956-60), was Headmaster of New Goa's G.S. Amonkar Vidya Mandir, Mapusa, and worked as Chairman of Goa Board of Secondary and Higher Secondary Education and Director of State Literacy Mission and Adult Education, Government of Goa. He has been associated with numerous socio-cultural-educational institutions. He was Charter President of Rotary Club of Mapusa, Secretary and Chairman of Goa Junior Red Cross, State Chief Commissioner, Goa Bharat Scouts and Guides Association, Founder Secretary and President, Goa Headmasters' Association, Councillor (11 years) and President (1 year) of Mapusa Municipal Council and is Chairman and Trustee of New Goa Educational Trust and G.S. Amonkar Vidya Mandir, Mapusa. Since retirement he is engaged in translations and publication of Indian classics in Konkani. He has translated DHAMMAPADA from Pali, BHAGVADGITA from Sanskrit, both the above works in prose and metrical verse and TIRUKKURAL, a Tamil classic from secondary sources. He has just completed Konkani translation of JNANESHWARI, a 9033 verse 13th century commentary on the GITA from Old Marathi into Konkani. He has also written ZEN STORIES (ZENACHO DISTAVO) and JATAKA TALES (JATAKA KATHA) in Konkani. He is currently translating the GOSPEL according to ST. JOHN in Konkani. He was awarded State Award by Government of Goa in 1978 for his services in the field of education. He is recipient of the Central Sahitya Academy (New Delhi) Award for his translation of Dhammapada for the year 2000. He was elected to Goa Konkani Academy as member for the term 2000-03. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tel: 2417772; 2414971.
[Goanet]Caste and SIn
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Folks, It seems that the people here are just not prepared to believe that God could pre-select a baby to be born into a certain class or status. I beg to differ. If you believe that God has allowed your baby to be born with sin, then surely the same God is capable of pre-selecting other babies to be born into a Priest Class. Mervyn2.0 IMHO, babies have to be the embodiment of innocence. Caste and sin are introduced by those who are going benefit from it. Thats why we still have both after 500 years.. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Doing it for Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## With due respect to Gilbert Lawrence, this is rather confused thinking! A classic case of building up a lot of invalid presuppositions, and then trying to build a logical case on that foundation. Now, we're really going round in circles: Proud of Americans Goans gave them a great welcome Fred was having a bad day Tourism is Goa's number 1 industry Tourism employs 30-50% of native Goans Anyway, tourist earnings are important If the US sailors did a PR job, let's all do the same We could tie-in the caste debate here too I did social work You too should do it There were Spanish Jesuits then There aren't Spanish Jesuits now So perhaps you're not it Do we need to invite those Spanish priests back Or, do you just want to lay your hands on my money ? Gawd! Gimme a break. Shouldn't an argument flow logical and be based on facts (rather than assumptions)? FN PS: I have nothing against Gilbert but just can't cope with the logic he's putting through above. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Gilbert Lawrence wrote: Gilbert Lawrence responds: It is likely that the negative responses on this subject do not speak for many cyberNet native-Goans. Ani amcho Fred was having a bad day. :=)) The point about tourist-spenders in Goa is typical of our response. Please let me gently remind us (from the other end of the globe) that tourism is Goa's number 1 industry, employing 30-50% of native Goans. Some may feel tourists-poixe may not be important to them. Most of us complain /write when we loose it, like our other assets. The US sailors did something as a PR job! True my friend! Why don't the rest of us do the same? We could live with good PR from the poor and the lower caste. Or are we paying lip service? :=)). If my plan of the volunteer work is not priority, why don't you ani others suggest something else? You are the one who will coordinate it. :=)) I should be thanked for planting the 'volunteer idea' on this cyberspace. And let me thank some of you for responding (positive and negative) to this thread and keeping this topic alive. As regards volunteering. Yes! I have done it in my years in St. Xavier's College, Bombay. Twice a year (during vacation break) the college sponsored a two-week Social Service camp. In far off (poor) villages of Maharashtra, after spending our own money, we - about sixty boys and girls (mostly Goans, graduate and postgraduate students) through our own muscle power and elbow grease - built roads, dug wells, dug latrines, repaired small dams, did a paint-job and other manual things. Later as a physician I provided medical care to these poor villagers (and campers) whilst other students did the above. I am not sure that this is still being done- since the Spanish padres are no longer there to coordinate these social service camps. So my ganv-bhav ani ganv-bhoinis, I am sharing with you my personal past and present experience. I hope this will generate some real soul-searching which it is time we-Goans do. We are often good at pointing the fingers at others when we can't/won't do it ourselves. And I am equally guilty of this! So don't you think some of those winter-Goenkars coming to bangarachem Goem would spare a week and volunteer six hours a day in exchange for four hours of borem camaraderie, Konkani sing-song, feni, xitt, nisteanchi kodi or dukrachem mas ani miskutt ani finally a borem vodlem Dev borem korum? :=)) Or do we need to invite those Spanish padres back? :=)) Or does helping Goa mean - just send Poixe!!! :=)) Regards.
[Goanet]Bom Jesus Fire: What happened to the Residence museum and the old coffin of St. Francis Xavier?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Few may know that the Professed House block has a room where rare antiquities belonging to Bom Jesus were kept, including one of the early coffins in which the body of St. Francis Xavier was kept, at least from 1744 till 1953. The Archbishop of Pamplona (Navarre) and the Rector of the Castle of Xavier had asked for this coffin in 1976, and the Bishop of Goa had indicated its consent, but the Archaeological survey objected, declaring it to be of historical value. It would be interesting and important to know now how the Archaeological Survey guaranteed its preservation. There were also several other items of historical interest kept there. Only a few items were taken out to be kept at the new Archdiocesan Museum which was inaugurated at Rachol Seminary and later shiften to Santa Monica (Mater Dei) monastery. Teotonio R. de Souza
[Goanet]Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste .... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] responds: Fred and a few others may be causing 'borem confusaum' on this topic. When we talk about caste, there are some well defined terminologies and groups. This doesn't say anything, other than that you don't like my point of view :-) First Fred negates that it is, Brahmin-versus-Chardo battle in Goa. But then he goes on to add, in reality, a jostling for posting among the two dominant groups. Of course he does not mention the groups. Obviously, I'm talking about the very same two. I'd like to repeat my view here that caste in Catholic Goa is discussed *as if* it is an issue between Brahmin and Chardo (or vice versa). It *was* long defined as this under the dominant discourse, but actually such a debate is a kind of shadow-boxing (for turf) which excludes the vast majority of Catholic Goans and renders them invisible. Often, the Chardo shouts casteism as a way of taking on Brahmin dominance. A Brahmin trend is to see nothing, never talk about it publicly (specially in a mixed setting) and yet be quite gleeful about a non-existant ritualistic positioning that supposedly placed him on top of the pecking order. Tujem sangok sarkem assa ki amcho Goemkaramcho ekvott nam mhunn. As long as we don't quite treat each other as equals, the concept of amcho Goemkaramcho ekvott is a myth. Even if it's an assiduously promoted one at that! From Victor Rangel Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 20 12:56:26 2004 Unfortunately, Fred omitted my follow-up sentence. Far from pushing caste under the rug, I write about it in my fiction. I believe I can more readily influence minds through my fiction writing---as in my novel, Tivolem, that deals with caste, prejudice, gossip, and the evil eye, among other issues--- than through personal argument and confrontation. The written word can be a powerful tool, and I will continue to use it. I'm sorry about this, and apologise. Was just trying to make my point strongly, by quoting snippets I disagree with. Victor is someone who has long impressed me by his attitude of sharing knowledge, helping, giving a hand to youngers to come up, and doing things for Goa regardless of who benefits. These attributes, to me, say much more about his attitude to caste than any badge, accident of birth, or verbal claims. From GodfreyJI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 20 23:38:07 2004 To elucidate take the case of the Confrarias the colour of the vests viz; red, white or purple worn OR feasts celebrated viz; Our Lady of Immaculate Conception or Feast of the Holy Spirit by the upper castes and then you have the St Michaels Feast of the lower castes or the Feast of St Francis Xavier celebrated by the traditional tailors. Is this not according to ones caste? GodfreyJI's long and frank treatise on caste was both informative and well-argued. The jury is still out on the link between the Church and caste. Obviously the truth lies somewhere in between (Fr) Basilio Monteiro's argument in apologetics and GodfreyJI's all-blaming approach. Even in marriages there is definitely the caste factor have we forgotten -- the codes banana chickoo and salt fish or Britisher to denote brahmin chardo and sudir or Gawda? This bit is absolutely true, even though I learnt of it only very recently. Maybe (i) I'm quite poorly informed (ii) this is more prevalent in Salcete (iii) a mix of both. But it's true. What I couldn't agree with one bit, however, was the following: This writer has often been advocating to the Catholics that they need to accept ones caste origins --- there is nothing to be afraid of --- its origins and social engineering that is witnessed today in India is accepted openly by the Hindu community -- there are associations viz; Saraswat Brahmin Samaj , Kshatriya Maratha Samaj, Van Vasi (Scheduled tribes) Samaj and so on and on --- they even ensure that they look after the interests of their own community After all what is POLITICS all about in India is it not a permutation and combination of certain castes depending upon their percentages that finally craves to grab the treasury benches. Then why do the Catholics in India pretend that they are a casteless Society. The problem with caste isn't caste in itself, but the fact that ingrained into it are in-built notions of superiority and inferiority. This goes against the very grain of a democratic
[Goanet]Farcical GOA (U.K.) LTD
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://www.goanvoice.org.uk Sun 14 Nov. The Board of GOA (UK) Limited has decided to move the date of the AGM to Sunday 19th December 2004, in order to avoid a clash with the Navelim Feast. A Notice and Agenda for the meeting will be sent to members in due course. Sun 14 Nov Union of Navelim. Feast of Our Lady of Holy Rosary at Bishop Thomas Grant RC School, Belltrees Grove, Streatham, London SW16 from 12pm - 8pm, commencing with mass. Music by Breakthru. Tickets from: Sandra Fernandes-Allen 020 8395 5462 Antonetta Fernandes 020 8 298 0804 Selwyn Ferrao 020 8 933 8362 Gabe Menezes 020 8 947 0290. For the flyer see: http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2004/Sep/issue5/event/ RESPONSE: FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT REPRESENT THE UNION OF NAVELIM IN THIS PIECE:- The fact that the Board of the GOA (UK) Limited has decided to move the date of the AGM to Sunday, 19th December 2004, in order to avoid a clash with the Navelim Feast could be read in two different lights. Firstly, that they are avoiding the clash in order, not to upset the Union of Navelim, should the Union be affected by attendance - people making excuses to attend the meeting instead. Secondly, that they ( The GOA) are in dire straits as far as attendance of their AGM's go ( a fact known by all ) and the GOA is looking for support from Navelim Members to make up the quorum. I am resentful, that the Union of Navelim is used as an excuse to move the date of the AGM. Meetings ago, the President held the meeting on the same day as the Colva Union Feast day (His Village) despite the protest of an upstanding Colvakar! The GOA (U.K.) Ltd has also in the past held an AGM on more than one occasion on the same day as the Navelim Feast day. To now imply, that he is accommodating the UON, is just an excuse. Could it be that the accounts and relevant documenation are not ready to be sent, in time for 21 days notice?. The President and the Board of Directors could have called the AGM much earlier, as promised to the Members on several occasions, including the last AGM. In fact if one reads the minutes (which are an absolute disgrace) one would read a comment by Mr. Alvaro Collaco; who declared that irrespective of changing the Articles to accommodate the present Board, they (The Board) are simply unable to comply! An indictment of their incompetence. Members should be distressed at the state of affairs - this Board does not have the same responsibilities as the past Boards, when we owned property including a Club House and Grounds! Yet they find it difficult to perform! Calling a meeting on 19th December 2004, when most people are busy shopping prior to the Christmas period, is simply not on. I sincerely hope the President and Board will make an all out effort to obtain a quorum - should they fail, who will attend the meeting on 26th December 2004 (Boxing day) as required by Company Law and the Articles of the GOA (U.K.) Ltd.? Calling the meeting next year will be in breach of Company Law which requires, firstly, that a meeting be held in every Calender Year. Secondly, even if a meeting is held every Year, between one meeting and the next, there should not be a gap of more than 15 Months. Members are requested to refrain from writing letters of complaint to Companies House!!!. The President has requested that Members tolerate this and all other short comings, even though the Directors are not up to it, it is the Association that picks up the bill in terms of fines! Cheers, Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet]GOANET-READER Caste and the traditional hierarchy in Goan society
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Which village do you come from? is usually the opening question. If your reply is Assagao, or Saligao, or Moira, or Velim, or Cuncolim, or St Estevam, the problem of placing you is not very difficult. A great deal of this article is true - the writer manages to describe the exclusionary society of Goa with a chuckle! The scene described below is beautifully portrayed by Mario Miranda in one of his earlier book of cartoons. There are wallflowers, much coveted damsels, anxious mothers in counsel with the 'experts in genealogy' and if I recollect a young woman who is in great agony because her shoe pinches! One of the happy hunting grounds for these *Donas* is the dance-hall, which offers a wide range of eligible young, or not-so-young, bachelors. Many a marriage has been arranged in this place, and many more are still arranged. Bejewelled, laced and feathered, these Goans of a dying species chaperoned their daughters to the hall and took their seats at a vantage point from where they could survey the whole scene. Imagine them in a phalanx, these pillars of the traditional hierarchy, fanning themselves while they observe and comment upon the young couples on the floor. Perhaps one of them spots her daughter swaying in the arms of a handsome young man. She has not seem him before, but he looks eligible. Perhaps he is making overtures to her daughter. Anything can happen when the two young people dance cheek to cheek. She has to make a quick move to prevent a *misalliance*. Her cronies on either side can come to her rescue and enlighten her. Some of them are experts in genealogy; they know family trees from roots upwards to the smallest twig. And so she leans to her left, her face half-covered with the spread-out fan, and whispers in her neighbour's ear the great question: *To konna'lo re?*, pointing to the young man with her raised eyebrow and fixed look.
Re: [Goanet]american soldiers...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I too am willing to settle to Marjorie's synthesis... without taking any liberties on the Marj Luv bit ;-). FN On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Gilbert Lawrence wrote: Gilbert Lawrence responds: Marj Luv, Your post is just too logical for us! We could do with more posts that have such clear reasoning! Regards. Marjorie Carvalho: The subject of the American soldiers visit is creating such a furor after Mr. fred said that they were welcome jus coz of their dollarswell...im not disagreeing, but why cant anyone just see it this way...they DID bring dollars with them n whther we like it or not, money is important..and there was an illusion atleast created of welcome...so..ignorance is bliss..the americans enjoyed their stay i presume, and yes..the subject of their painting the classrooms, at least they painted ONE classroom, i'm not saying that is the ultimate in social service ..LOL...but they did it, and that's a good thing right? Luv, Marj
[Goanet]Recent Fundraiser.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Several years ago we did one, formally, for an individual, and then again, a recent call for help was issued on his behalf: my own response this time around was a new and very substantial gift - and once again there has been no message of appreciation, private or public. Times change, the old addage, but i wonder just the same. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #1568 - 16 msgs
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Mr. Gadgil: I ought to have clarified. The context for my post was Goa. I am not competent to speak about the Dalit situation in India. Your point about Maybe some reservation for dalit clergy at all levels of the church hierarchy would help? tickled my mind. Vocation to catholic priesthood is a call to serve, and it is not a profession. Not always it has been lived by this standard. Power, the exercise of power, the allocation of power has corrupted, in some cases, this calling to serve. Unfortunately, there are trends to professionalize this calling. I think the professionalization of the priesthood is disastrous. Hopefully, one does not enter into the priesthood in order to make a living. Granted, humans that we are, human trappings keep us shackled to the banal. By the way, specious argument at least has plausibility. Ergo, my distinction stands. ::)) Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts. Basilio Monteiro
[Goanet]Alternate Braking Systems
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Marlon Menezes wrote: You also mention above that you dont mind being taken for a ride. I believe you dont mind being spanked either - after all you did ask the women to bring along their brick bats. However, I believe this is not a topic to be discussed on goanet. Cecil: Agreed! There are better places for such discussions. - Marlon: The solution to both of the above is have the wheel intentionally rotate a little bit. Hence the invention of ABS. My suggestion to you is do the right thing and spend the additional 40,000Rs on your 20,000Rs bike and get ABS installed on it. Cecil: ABSolutley brilliant idea. I will immediately sell off my fifth-hand, fifteen year old Maruti Omni van to get the Rs. 40,000/- -- Marlon: Melinda, err, a hat will not protect you from injury. I suggest you wear a helment. Cecils is the defacto expert on helmet safety - your statement unwittingly only adds weight to his arguments regarding the alleged unsafe driving habits of women. Cecil: Thanks Marlon for that superb introduction to my third-most favourite topic - Mandatory Helmet Laws. Melinda keep in mind it is what is in your head, not what's on your head, that will protect you. And nothing on earth can protect us from what's in Marlon's head. Marlon: I think the implementation of some sort of a device that losens a woman's skirt, sari or blouse to increase wind resistance could serve as an auxilary braking device in the case of an extreme emergency. Cecil: Too late Marlon. A similar system has already been tried in India but not proven successful. Women here are constantly trying to use their dupattas and sari pallavs to stop their bikes. It doesn't always work though. The entanglement in the bike spokes, or chain, does stop the bike but the results for the rider are sometimes fatal. But still they continue to ride (or ride pillion) with dupattas and saris dangling dangerously near the wheel. Incidentally experiments was carried out in Moira in March 1957 at the Attafondem based Centre for Alternative Braking Systems for Women. Thick heeled clogs were tried (and stilletos for a short while only). By placing both legs simultaneously on the ground, on both sides of the bike, a braking effect could be attained but the sudden loss of momentum for the bike rider was so much that the bike would shoot ahead and the rider would be left standing (or flat on the face sometimes). The Moidekars found this quite acceptable as it was the woman's life that was more precious than the bike. After multiple test runs only did a brilliant Aldonkar point out to the Moidekar scientists that most women rode scooters which had a spare wheel (stepney) screwed on at the back. Now what was happening was that the clogs could brake the woman's body but the scooter itself would continue moving forward. Then from behind the stepney would impact the woman and she suddenly would find herself riding pillion with a riderless bike totally out of control. The experiments were abandoned in 1959 after a curious incident involving a woman test rider named Steffany who had a slight paunch and a boyfriend named Tommy. The incident has gone into Moira folklore, best represented by this wonderful Konkani song 'Steffanycho stepney. It loses in the translation into English, and doesn't rhyme any more, but please understand the subtle play of words and names, and the technical finesse of those Moidekar song composers from another era. - Steffany had a spare tyre It was part of her anatomy And there was another stepney Screwed behind the bike By her an' a Tommy Which also was a spare tyre Go figure. Now Steffany spread her legs To stop herself from banging And the screwed up stepney Collided with her derriere Which meant she was sitting behind On her behind When she should have just Changed gears instead And applied both brakes Simultaneously! --- For those wanting to know more about braking systems please check out: http://www.familycar.com/brakes.htm For the technically inclined a nice essay is at: http://www.teamscr.com/grmbrakes.htm And for caste conscious Goans http://auto.howstuffworks.com/brake.htm Cheers! Happy Dussera! Cecil =
[Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Sun 14 Nov. The Board of GOA (UK) Limited has decided to move the date of the AGM to Sunday 19th December 2004, in order to avoid a clash with the Navelim Feast. A Notice and Agenda for the meeting will be sent to members in due course. RESPONSE: Some one is rapidly loosing it, either stubby fingers or suffering delerium - Sunday 19th December 2004??? really!! The Union of Navelim, I am sure, was so concerned that they would loose a good many people to the GOA meeting. Please kindly click on the link below for more info: http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2004/Sep/issue5/event/ Cheers, Gabe.
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Discussion
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## If it helps I first visited Goa first in 1985 and had to travel by a Via Bombay from the UK. At that time a company called Condor was bringing flights in by charter from Germany. My first charter flight with Inspirations East a charter from the UK was in 1987 and I believe this was the first year of the charters from the UK Dave -- David Futers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newbiggin by the Sea http://www.futers.org Northumberland NE64 6NL UNITED KINGDOM
Re: [Goanet]Fred Noronha Dabolim
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, DeFigueiredo, Gabriel wrote: agreed between the ministry of defence and the civil aviation department, both Central Govt agencies. This could have occurred soon after the annexation of March 1962. There appears to have been NO input from the Goa Govt at all, presumably been ordered ever since to shut up and bear up. AFAIK, the first elected government of Goa took over after elections in December 1963. Prior to that, subsequent to the end of Portuguese colonial rule in a military action, there only was a military government in place -- albeit with some advisory council -- in place. Maybe someone who was around in those times, like 'Chacha' Alfred Tavares (his term!) could disabuse us of any incorrect notions. Cheers, Gabriel. P.S. I hope these questions get asked on the Liberation Day! And I hope that a sneaking (or not-so-sneaking) admiration of the pre-1961 Portuguese regime that seems to linger among a tiny but vocal section doesn't get the upper hand, so as to ruin a perfectly good case about placing economic and societal needs ahead of military assumptions.
[Goanet]Caste Antonio Menezes' questions of Archbishop Neri
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In response to this from me : i have NO CLUE why antonio wants the present archbishop of goa to answer why catholicism allowed the caste system to continue. Is it (that) this archbishop who allowed it ? A.C. Menezes wrote on Thu Oct 21 11:33:19 2004 1. there is a strong belief among !others! that, had the patriarch/archbishop office ( which has been exercing authority for the last 490 years) dealt firmly with the satanic arrogance of the bamon padri,perhaps casteism would not have so prevalent among the catholics of goa. 2. (before 19th Century) only boys coming from the bamon families were allowed to become priests 3. (the chhaddi boy most probably entered the portals of the seminary sometime during the 19th century ). 4. secondly,confrarias, the religious associations, based on caste system were actively encouraged in each and every church in goa. 5. the present archbishop is a thorough gentleman, but his office has, definitely, a lot of explaining to do. Dear Antoniobab I am always delighted to respond to a Goan whose name I have as my middle name. Having said that, I must point out that Your reply has NOT answered why YOU EXPECT THIS Archbishop of Goa to answer for the commisions or ommisions of his predecessors. Review the actions ...YES but NOT .ANSWER for others. One only answers for one's own actions, inactions or fence-sitting. Having said that, please allow me to look at the points in your post. Please understand that I utterly and absolutely condemn the racist Caste System of India. I also believe that ANYONE who believes in it and practises it - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu - FULL STOP! re#1, 2, 4 5: That was an unfortunate and also unCatholic allowance made to Goa Brahmins. The Church might as well have struck a deal with the Devil. re#3: I hope ALL boys entering the Seminary before the 19th century were with Chaddis. If NOT, I will assign the origin of this Molestation scandal to pre-19th Century Goa. sincerely jose please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]CHEURISAM!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Deklear/sampoddlear chor nam zalear xe..ttam todd! Noxeachim voktaim hangasor toxech haddtat! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA A bit late on this topic, but just for your information, most of the Goans in the gulf get their full year quota of sausages, parra from Goa. Aum rauta tea ganvan bi addunk zata, choddxe family ji vacationak than ietai temkam check korina. Hantun ek trick assa, chevrisam akhim addunk zai na punn chevrisam ugtim korun mass eka plastic container an ghalun..Pickle oxem dista toxem korun addunk zata...custom an vincharlem tor Pickle munn sanglear pass kortat...anvem anga zaite pautti khaileant. Eddie Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/KSA - Original Message - From: Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Being in the UK we are more fortunate than those in North America, Australia or Gulf - particularly SA. Are the beef sausages meant to cater for them? Cheers Eddie _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Caste ... semantics
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence responds: The dialogue below precisely makes my point of yesterday. Are we talking the same thing? 1. Are we referring to Goa or are we talking about India? 2. Are we talking about the Catholic Church or the Christian church? 3. Has anybody heard about Dalit agitations in Goa? VG pl.respond! 4. What's the stat of chardo seminarians and pad-vigars? BM pl. respond! Thanks and regards. Basilio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cursory glance at empirical data will show, to any dispassionate student of caste problem, that there is no data or demonstrable evidence to perpetuate the accusation that the Church remains complicit in the caste business. Vidyadhar Gadgil: There is quite a lot of evidence of exactly that available. For one thing, look at the dismal figures of dalit Christian clergy in India (as compared to their ratio in the Christian population). There have been a number of agitations within the Christian (all sects) community seeking redressal of this, but not much progress has taken place. Basilio: It is indisputable that the Church, i.e. individuals in the hierarchy of the Church (for a thoughtful and dispassionate discussion this is an important distinction between the hierarchy of the church and the church) has pandered to caste and casteism. Vidyadhar Gadgil: The distinction drawn between the Church (the institution), and the 'hierarchy of the church' is specious. The way an institution operates in the real world is determined to quite an extent by its hierarchy, and as long as these hierarchies cling to their entrenched privileges, we are not going to see much progress. Maybe some reservation for dalit clergy at all levels of the church hierarchy would help? Or, rather than reservation, affirmative action along the lines of the US?
[Goanet]american soldiers...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence responds: Marj Luv, Your post is just too logical for us! We could do with more posts that have such clear reasoning! Regards. Marjorie Carvalho: The subject of the American soldiers visit is creating such a furor after Mr. fred said that they were welcome jus coz of their dollarswell...im not disagreeing, but why cant anyone just see it this way...they DID bring dollars with them n whther we like it or not, money is important..and there was an illusion atleast created of welcome...so..ignorance is bliss..the americans enjoyed their stay i presume, and yes..the subject of their painting the classrooms, at least they painted ONE classroom, i'm not saying that is the ultimate in social service ..LOL...but they did it, and that's a good thing right? Luv, Marj
[Goanet]caste........and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## from antonio dr. jose colaco wrote: i have NO CLUE why antonio wants the present archbishop of goa to answer why catholicism allowed the caste system to continue. is it this archbishop who allower it ? there is a strong belief among !others! that, had the patriarch/archbishop office ( which has been exercing authority for the last 490 years) dealt firmly with the satanic arrogance of the bamon padri,perhaps casteism would not have so prevalent among the catholics of goa. from 16th century to the end of the second world war, only boys coming from the bamon families were allowed to become priests ( the chhaddi boy most probably entered the portals of the seminary sometime during the 19th century ). is this not religious sanction of the caste system ? secondly,confrarias, the religious associations, based on caste system were actively encouraged in each and every church in goa. the present archbishop is a thorough gentleman, but his office has, definitely, a lot of explaining to do. comment on basilio: do i get it,that the goa church had no authority to tell the confrari-wallahs that they should all wear uniform of on colour only when they paraded themselves like holy peacocks outside the church on the village feast day ? your verbiage whitewashing the goa catholic church could be equated to the famous last words of a london flower girl : i am a good girl , i am. _ All the news that matters. All the gossip from home. http://www.msn.co.in/NRI/ Specially for NRIs!
[Goanet]OLD GOA --BOM JESUS BASILICA SAFE
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Old Goa Tiswadi Taluka in North Goa District Fire @ Emergency Services (Tel No +91 832 2285344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) received a SOS at 0145 hrs IST today 21st October 2004 from the authorities of the Basilica at Bom Jesus that a fire had suddenly engulfed the first and second floor of the House Professed just adjoining the the Pilgrimage of the Heart Light and Sound Project of the Bom Jesus de Basilica. The fire was put of as late as 1750 hrs IST 21.10.2004 The cause of the fire is not known as confirmed by the this writer from the Fire Services authorities at Old Goa.. However shortcircuit could not be ruled out. Since most of the structure is age-old and wooden it is obvious that the damage could be colossal. Some books etc could have been destroyed in the fire. It may however be of interest to note that recently on World Heritage Day April 2004 officials of the Archaeological Survey of India overseeing the Bom Jesus Basilica had warned of the prospects of fire causing extensive losses to the lives and property. The Chief Guest on that ocassion Dr P K John Director Fire Services had warned the small gathering to ensure that fire appliances were put in place. It is not known whether these observations were taken note of by the authorities concerned. But one thing is clear there is no damage to the Bom Jesus Basilica where the sacred relics of St Francis Xavier is located. Niether the Rector nor the Director of Fire Services were available for comment. It may also be recalled that recently there was a dispute between the Village panchayat of Old Goa and the North Goa District Collector over the allotment of stalls, to be alloted during the Exposition from 22.11.2004 to 2.1.2005, however this dispute was amicably resolved by the Government when it was agreed to part with the revenue earnings alloting a fair share to the Panchayat. GODFREY J I GONSALVES Borda Margao Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]GOANET-READER Caste and the traditional hierarchy in Goan society
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## TO KONNA'LO? GOAN SOCIETY IS BASED ON A TRADITIONAL HIERARCHY By Lucio Rodrigues --- Courtesy 'Goan Literature: A Modern Reader', Guest Editor: Peter Nazareth. From the Journal of South Asian Literature, Winter, Spring 1983. US ISSN 0091-5637. Reproduced with permission of the editor. --- KONKANI HAS ITS own unique expressions -- words, phrases, idioms, proverbs, and other folksy linguistic miracles which defy translation into any other language. *To konna'lo?* is one such, with its several inflexions according to gender and number: *tem konnalem*, *ti konna'li*, *te konna'le*, *teo konna'leo*, *tim konna'lim*. Literary, the phrase means, Which family does he belong to? or Who are his parents? It is apparently a simple interrogative, an expression of normal, healthy curiosity, expressing the concern that one human being has for another. But to those who know their Konkani and belong to the social matrix of Goa, the phrase is far from simple and innocuous. True, it does express curiosity, but the curiosity is not the elementary curiosity of a mere individual. It is the highly sophisticated curiosity of the community, or organised society. The phrase is a masterpiece of verbal economy and semantic subtlety. It implies a social and moral attitude that is the result of a whole way of life rooted in the soil of Goa. Though the phrase is known to all, it is never used indiscriminately. It is not to be bandied about in the street or in the market-place. You cannot just speak it out glibly, or shout it out brazenly. Even in the drawing-room or the dance-hall, you cannot mouth it tactlessly. To do so would be the height of impertinence, and you would be summarily condemned as a very ill-mannered yokel. In fact, the use of the phrase calls for the proper occasion and situation, the proper place and time, and above all, the most practised gesture and inflexion of voice. Its utterance is part of a code. Goan society is based on a traditional hierarchy which has its origins in ancient Hindu India. It is a hierarchy of many tiers, arranged in a descending scale, each tier made up of a homogeneous group, with its own status, it own priviledges and responsibilities, its own loyalties, and its own code of honour, which have to be zealously guarded. An individual's place in this hierarchy is determined solely by the accident of birth. The gods decided it all for you: you are born into a family which belongs to one of the social tiers, and there you belong, there you stay. Like the fixed stars in the heavens, you have your fixed station in the social firmament, and your set orbit. In the good old days, before emigration and the spread of education began to disturb the feudal stability of life in Goa, everyone knew practically everyone else. Your identity was known, not only who you were but also where you belonged. This is generally true in the villages even today. Such was the thoroughness with which the hierarchic social system was perpetuated that a large number of Hindu surnames could be interpreted as marks of identification which placed you definitely in one of the social tiers. However, an accident of history took place to disturb the old social order. Foreign conquest and conversion in the sixteenth century introduced new ideas of a free and equal society in Goa. The logic of the principle that all men are equal was a challenge to the traditional hierarchic practice, and the situation was fraught with perils. But the challenge had to be faced. Habits die hard; position and privilege cannot be easily surrendered; group loyalties cultivated over the centuries cannot be given up. The new ideas of social mobility were a threat to the homogeneity of the group. The purity of the social group had to be maintained, the well-being of the members assured. This could be done by sedulously preventing the infiltration of intruders and upstarts, of outsiders. Under the new dispensation this was not as easy as before. Names, for example, were arbitrarily changed, and one clue to the identity of an individual came to be lost. Fernandes or Colaco offered no clue to the status of an individual christened with the new foreign name, as Sardesai or Borkar offered. A Colaco could be anyone from the highest-born to the lowest-born. In this state of anonymity and impending social confusion a technique had to be devised to discover the identity of the individual, so that the privileges enjoyed exclusively by the high-born could be safeguarded. In the field of employment, for instance, unwanted low-born competitors had to be
Re: [Goanet]Doing it for Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] The US sailors did something as a PR job! True my friend! Why don't the rest of us do the same? We could live with good PR from the poor and the lower caste. Or are we paying lip service? :=)). If my plan of the volunteer work is not priority, why don't you ani others suggest something else? You are the one who will coordinate it. :=)) I should be thanked for planting the 'volunteer idea' on this cyberspace. And let me thank some of you for responding (positive and negative) to this thread and keeping this topic alive. Just thought I d share : 00 What Voluntary Organisations can do UK News === A landmark agreement has been reached between the Department of Health, NHS and Voluntary Sector which paves the way for voluntary organisations to deliver more health and social services. This is expected to increase existing NHS capacity and provide greater choice for patients. The agreement comes into force in November 2004. Details www.dh.gov.uk/makingpartnershipwork oo
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RESPONSE TO FREDERICK NORONHA'S OF OCT 20 The main implication of your observation has to do with the basis of valuation of Dabolim Airport. This was recently placed by Goan Voices at Rs 25K crores that too as of 1996. If this is on a cash accounting basis then it works out to an average of nearly Rs 750 crores per year for 34 years (since 1962) or over Rs 2 crores per day during the entire period. Does this make sense? Alternatively it represents an estimated 'replacement value' based perhaps on the current (as of 1996) land value. Whatever it is it seems very high. A fresh attempt needs to be made to value the airport according to generally accepted accounting principles (i.e. double entry book-keeping). Comparison with other airports in India and abroad would also be useful. While on the subject of asset valuation, and considering that Dabolim Airport is used by the Navy purely for flight training purposes, one wonders whether the Navy has invested in flight simulators which are routinely used for training purposes abroad. This might obviate the need for 'live' practice take offs and landings at Dabolim which result in civilian flights being blocked out. such practice flights could then be shifted to Seabird/Yenkebe in due course. If the runway there is not long enough at present then the terrain could be levelled for this purpose on national security grounds. Hope the Navy has been thinking of these possibilities.
[Goanet]Dabolim - the WHEN : in response to Phillip Thomas
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## re: If the Navy did not display this intransigence wrt Civilian Flights - NOBODY would have bothered Philip Thomas Thu Oct 21 02:29:23 2004 wrote My question: WHEN did pressure begin to be applied on the Navy about civilian flights? Since 1962? Or since the late 80s early 90s? Any info about this history would be of interest. Thanks. JC response: Somewhere in the early 1990s - when Air Travel opened up in India - more Airlines were allowed to operate more UK charter operators got interested in Goa . The words pressure begin to be applied on the Navy are oxymoronoid. Goans are in NO position to apply pressure to the Navy. In fact - and you may check this out - Most heads of Tourism and Information in Goa are individuals who are non-Goans . who have NO clue about Goa who preside over junk stuff like the Dona and Paula love affair IF Goans cannot challenge these civil servants - what chance is there with the ALMIGHTY Indian Navy which considers Goa as one of the SPOILS of WAR. Some Liberation! jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Bike Maintenance and Bangalore gals
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Btw, Bangalore has a bike repair shop that is exclusively manned by gals. Talk about gals not having the mechanical sense. Did someone say Goa was progressive? Cecil, you got to come to Bangalore to meet the real gals -- of course, that is if you are man enough. :-) Samir Kelekar
Re: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I have been to an other conference in Delhi where the use the single entry system. Debit what comes in! B. Colaço I learnt at a conference in Bangalore that Indian governments do not follow the double-entry principle of book-keeping. If I understood it right, this means that while they know how much revenue and expenditure is expected in the year ahead, they wouldn't know what assets and liabilities have been created over a long period of time. Or even where their money has been spent. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Mrs. D'Souza?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## George Pinto wrote: This morning at the Siolim tar, Mrs. D'Souza informed me of God's plan for Goa: Equality, justice and prosperity (sustainable development) for all. No casteism, corruption and communalism - the usual stuff that applies worldwide too. And oh yes, no fake names and fake email addressess on Goanet, she added. --- Dear George, I was of the opinion that Maria Rodrigues of Ribandar/Byculla represented God on GoaNet? Cecil
[Goanet]Driving and Bangalore gals
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cecil: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I don't mind being taken for a ride. 1) Like Gabe I can imbibe more at social functions 2) Leaves my hands free --- Cecil, Now that we are on the topic of driving and women, I would like to categorically state that women in Bangalore drive very fast on their two-wheelers. They dont follow rules, many a times they cut red lights too. Lots of them have died; once two girls got crushed under a truck (one of them survived) when they cut a traffic light early morning. All they were doing was : the elder sister was dropping the younger sister for a school picnic. The kinetic Honda and scooty alike are terrible inventions. They themselves must have been involved in more deaths; only probably Maruti 800 can compare with them. Go on a Bangalore road at decent speeds and there will be gals overtaking you left right and center. If guys are forced to speed up, it is only because they can't bear women overtaking them and so are catching up. Btw, hardly any gal is in a tight-skirt here; all are comfortably dressed in a salwar kameej and also have a helmet that covers their face appropriately. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #1566 - 16 msgs
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Friend Kelekar , Very Sorry to have hurt your sentiments!! ITs just a figure of speech used these days to describe the present lot of politicians running our country and state !! Never meant to offend you ! , just a bit of hard talk . Will definitely assuage your feelings with feni etc , during my next visit to the Kadamba Kingdom . Peacefully yours ! Dominic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: GIs ! Welcome to Goa!!! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How come this post was let in and not moderated? The language of selling mothers can only come from a degraded and demented individual. I am amazed the Goanet administrators think that this post is decent enough to be let in. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Cecil does not speak for all men(ezes)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cecil: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I don't mind being taken for a ride. 1) Like Gabe I can imbibe more at social functions 2) Leaves my hands free --- Cecil, You may speak for Gabe Menezes, but you got to realize that he was thrown out of the Menezes clan a long time ago. It is clear that neither of you represent all Men. You also mention above that you dont mind being taken for a ride. I believe you dont mind being spanked either - after all you did ask the women to bring along their brick bats. However, I believe this is not a topic to be discussed on goanet. Cecil: Untruth. Blatant untruth. Most women don't know how to clean the airfilter, or top up the brake oil, or adjust the wipers, or when to charge the battery, or change the engine oil. Most women don't even know how to use gears to slow down and instead excessively use the brakes and 'zhoroi' them unnecessarily. --- In my experience more men smoke than women. While many men may be conscious about changing their filters regulary, the fact remains that many men simply do not use filters at all. This is particularily true with the lower end smokes like bidies etc. Now with regards to slowing down with gears, it is generally well accepted that emergency slowing down with brakes alone is far better than using the engine, ie., we are not talking about using engine braking to maintain a steady safe speed when down down a slope. When gears are used to achieve sudden braking, it results in exceptional wear on the clutch. In the long term, this can be a more expensive item to fix than one's brake pads. Ok, so you are thinking, that the combination of engine braking and wheel braking will ensure the shortest stopping distance, which in the case of emergencies is all that really matters. Unfortunately, this is not necessarily true either. First of all, a properly designed braking system should provide the ability to lock the wheels rapidly, without the assistance of engine braking. Furthermore, the attempt by the driver to simulatneously change the gears and press on the brakes will probably impede the latter action by a few (milli) seconds which may delay the onset of maximum braking. There is an additional caveat to the above in that the onset of wheel locking is generally not the best condition to achieve the shortest stopping distance. First of all, wheel locking ensures loss of steering control of the vehicle and skidding. Secondly a locked wheel actually results in a decrease in the effective coefficient of friction between the contacting static wheel surface and the ground, which actually increases the stopping distance. The solution to both of the above is have the wheel intentionally rotate a little bit. Hence the invention of ABS. My suggestion to you is do the right thing and spend the additional 40,000Rs on your 20,000Rs bike and get ABS installed on it. Melinda: Women are sensible,they follow rules quite rigidly ,in fact. Hats off to the tight skirted variety who can manage their bikes quite adroitly. Melinda, err, a hat will not protect you from injury. I suggest you wear a helment. Cecils is the defacto expert on helmet safety - your statement unwittingly only adds weight to his arguments regarding the alleged unsafe driving habits of women. Cecil: In fact I have suggested to the RTO that all women wearing tight skirts, and riding, have to be mini-skirted or at least have a high enough side slit, for maneuverability, and other reasons. My suggestion that I be put in charge of enforcing measurements was rejected, but that's another story. -- I think you may be on to something here. Engine braking and wheel braking focus on utilizing the friction between the tyre and the road surface. When aircrafts land at high speeds, they need a variety of other means (besides wheel braking) to slow down rapidly. This method focus on increasing resistance between itself and the other stationary object it is in contact with - the static air around it, via the use of flaps and reverse air thrusters. I think the implementation of some sort of a device that losens a woman's skirt, sari or blouse to increase wind resistance could serve as an auxilary braking device in the case of an extreme emergency. Marlon
[Goanet]Fire at Bom Jesus?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Just as I was reading a message on goanet about a web-site of Bom Jesus I received another personal message informing me that just this morning there was a fire at the Jesuit residence block (traditionally known as casa professa) of Bom Jesus. Such fires were common in the 16th and 17th centuries and had plagued Bom Jesus as well. One of the famous Jesuit chroniclers, Francisco de Sousa, who left a history of the Jesuits in Asia entitled O Oriente Conquistado died in one such fire at Bom Jesus residence in the late 17th century! I wish and pray that nothing ill has befallen our Jesuits and my dear old colleagues residing there today. Our konkani writer Fr. Moreno de Sousa is one of them. Teotonio R. de Souza
Re: [Goanet]FEASTS /DANCES
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi PortugueseCarol, I am the President of the Goan Association of Mars - Elysium Planitia Chapter. I am pleased that you wish to join us. Like most of you on Earth, we too celebrate our New Year which takes place after some 687 of your earth days. My advice to you is to leave early, as it can take over 300 earth days to reach us. We offer complimentary tickets to all who wish to join us from Earth. Actually, this free offer stands for all humanoids to may wish to join us from any planet. Please take note of the additional information listed below that you may find useful: Cost: FREE! Transportation: Please make your own arrangements. A one way ticket would set you back around $8 billion. RT is around $30 billion. Attire: Space suite with auxiliary life support system is required. No exceptions! Regards, The Goan Association of Mars --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT LATEST FUNCTIONS ARE DUE/AND VENUE. THANK YOU.
[Goanet]21 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Oct 21, 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: ROOF OF RETREAT HOUSE AT BOM JESUS BASILICA GOES UP IN FLAMES: Half of the roof of Lighthouse, the retreat house attached to the Bom Jesus Basilica, went up in flames very early this morning, causing substantial damage to the premises which had been repaired recently for the forthcoming Exposition. The cause of the fire is suspected to be electrical short circuit. Besides the roof, the fire reduced to ashes books, documents, computers, furniture, etc. Fortunately, the batch of people who had gathered for a retreat, had returned home yesterday evening otherwise there could have been even deaths. Fr Lewis, who is in charge of the Lighthouse was also not there. Around 1.30 am this morning, Fr Moreno de Souza, SJ, was disturbed by a crackling sound and realized that something was burning. Unfortunately, the staff of the fire brigade, which is situated just a few furlongs from the Basilica, didn't seem to know where the Basilica is located and went around it for quite some time, and even when they arrived at the scene of the mishap, they hardly had enough water to put off the flames. While providing the information Fr Olavo Velho Pereira, Secretary of the Diocesan Centre of Social Communcations, said that though the damage has been extensive, it could have been far worse, and it was only the divine providence that prevented further damaged to the Basilica. (GoaNOW) MASKED MEN STORM SIRSAIM PETROL PUMP: In a daring dacoity at around 7.30 pm, five men wearing masks attacked and assaulted the staff of a petrol pump and the customers and decamped with cash amounting to Rs.40,000 and also a mangalsutra at Sirsaim in Tivim. (GT) POLLUTION BOARD TIGHTENS SCREWS: The Goa State Pollution Control Board has cracked the whip on five steel industrial units at the Kundaim Industrial Estate on the grounds of causing environmental pollution and has warned of closure if they fail to control the pollution effectively. (H) SCHEME TO DEVELOP STATE'S VILLAGES: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar launched a new scheme called Goa Gram Samridhi Yojana to make state's villages as model villages equipped with all infrastructure. He launched the scheme at a function held at Sirlim-Dramapur on 19 October evening on the birthday of Water Resources and RDA Minister Felipe Neri Rodrigues. (GT) RS.2,8I2,00 STOLEN FROM CAR: Cash amounting to Rs.2,82,000 was allegedly stolen from a Maruti car parked near the collector's office in the city (Panaji) on the afternoon of October 19. The lock of the car was broken by the thieves, according to a complaint lodged by Mr Joseph Francis Vaz from Ilha de Rachol. (NT) CORPORATION IN LIST OF DEFAULTERS: A government-owned corporation, some prominent Margao-based builders and a doctor figure in the latest list complied by the department of Electricity and forwarded to the Salcete Mamlatdar for recovery of electricity dues. (H) ILLEGAL SHACKS DEMOLISHED: Just one day after GT exposed widespread illegalities and absence of lifeguards at Calangute beach, Tourism department teams swooped down on the northern coastal belt and demolished illegal shacks, confiscated beach furniture and cleared off illegal hawkers. (GT) PANJIM MAYOR TO QUIT? Is the Mayor of the Corporation of the City of Panaji, Ashok Naik, likely to step down from the post on Thursday? Rumours were rife on Wednesday that Naik may put in his papers as he is believed to be extremely dissatisfied over some recent development in the city. (H) NO-CONFIDENCE MOTION: Seven councilors of the Mapusa Municipal Council have moved a motion of no-confidence against the incumbent chairperson Michael Carrasco. (GT) BOOK EXHIBITION: The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, inaugurated 'Granth Vihar', a permanent book exhibition-cum-sale centre on October 20, at Dhavli, Ponda. The centre having about 2,000 books on various subjects is set up by Ms Varsha M Dhavlikar and Mr Mukund N Dhavlikar. (NT) SARPANCH OF AZOSSIM-MANDUR: Mr Francisco Po was elected unopposed as the sarpanch of the seven-member village panchayat of Azossim-Mandur (Tiswadi) on October 20. The vacancy was caused by the resignation of the earlier sarpanch, Mr Devnath Naik. (NT) TWO KONKANI FILMS AT IFFI: The directorate of film festivals, ministry of information and broadcasting also decided to allot slots to two Konkani films in the
[Goanet]NEWS UPDATES: Fire, tourist season, Pentair water... Oct 21, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## FIRE REPORTED at Bom Jesus Basilica. Details awaited. GOA prepares for the tourist season: New Kerala - Ernakulam,Kerala,India [India News]: Goa, Oct 20 : Authorities in Goa are worried about the increase of paedophilic activities during tourist seasons. http://athens-olympics-2004.newkerala.com/?action=fullnewsid=37696 See all stories on this topic: http://news.google.com/news?ie=utf8oe=utf8persist=1num=30hl=enclient=googlencl=http://athens-olympics-2004.newkerala.com/%3Faction%3Dfullnews%26id%3D37696 PENTAIR Water sets up new assembly line at Goa plant Financial Express - New Delhi,India ... OCT 20: Pentair Water, the Indian subsidiary of Pentair Inc, a $4 billion global water purification major has set up a new assembly line at its plant at Goa. http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=71992 TRAVEL savvy Russians make a beeline for Goa India Express - New Delhi,India Goa has become a favourite holiday destination for travel savvy Russians. http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/travel/20041020-0.html
[Goanet]Goan Goans yes but no Goanese pls???
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Some putx around here seem to refer Goans as Goanese. To educate some ignorants, here you will be laughed at if you addressed a Brit as Britisher. Leave them at Brits or a Briton. Likewise leave us as Goans or a Goan. Better still a 'Goaenkar';) Vasu ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Goenchem Prize Nominations for 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## OPEN INVITATION FOR NOMINATION OF CANDIDATES FOR THE 2004 GOENCHEM PRIZE FOR PROMOTION OF HONESTY, RATIONALITY AND COMMON SENSE The Goenchem Prize Cyber-Committee invites members of the public to nominate candidates for this year's Goenchem Prize for promotion of honesty, rationality and common sense in public service, public policy, public education, public safety and public health. The nominee should be an individual or a group of individuals who are Goan by birth, ancestry, marriage or residence. This prize is intended to educate the public about harms done by irrational, unscientific and dishonest practices prevalent in today's society. The winner will be chosen from nominees who have addressed these harms by taking actions such as: A. Exposing a cult, superstition, fad, practice or attitude that continues to cause physical, psychological or socioeconomic pain and suffering within the community. B. Uncovering corrupt practices in any governmental, statutory, autonomous or non-governmental organization supported by public funds. C. Educating the public about false claims regarding cures for diseases, bogus health scares, fake environmental threats, phony New Age fads, paranormal hysteria and pseudoscientific breakthroughs. D. Refuting politically motivated revision of history or infusion of religion into public policy and education. E. Unmasking a quack, poseur, corrupt professional or organization that is perpetrating a financial or health scam, or F. Presenting in a public forum in Goa an exposé on a public scam, racket, fraud, deception or disinformation campaign. The nominating letter of a potential contender for the prize should be submitted by the nominee herself/himself or any other person by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or by regular mail or in person to Cecil Pinto, 3rd Floor, Vijaya Apartments, above Satkar Restaurant, 18th June Road, Panaji, Goa. It should include a brief description of the specific accomplishment for which the nominee is deemed to be worthy of the prize. The deadline for submission of nominations this year is the inauspicious Tuesday, the 16th of November. The recipient of the 2004 Goenchem Prize will be announced on December 29th. The award will consist of Rs. 13,666 and a citation plaque.
[Goanet]Behind the wheels - its a man thing
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## How many women won the Grand Prix? How many women mechanics do we have worldwide? One Goan woman rides a geared motorbike everyday to work and it is news. Ten thousand Goan men ride geared bikes to work everyday and nobody blinks an eyelid. Mate, its like asking how many men have given birth to a child (leave aside the Gunvenator de Vitto). Or perhaps are you asking them to get inside our pants? I'm sure nobody blinks when they see men having their manicure/ pedi and a facial these days. One of the clothing retailers here are making arrangements not to categorize womens clothing from men or mens section from women. They are almost getting there. However, some years ago I had to avoid Kaxikat's wife from putting motor oil into the radiator nozzle. Me think the traffic dept in Goa should consider giving a quick run down on technical aspects of the vehicles before issuing licences. Its a man thing ;) Vasu (If driving East let me know I will go West) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]WOMEN ON TOP IN GOA'S ROAD SHOW
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear All, I have no clue about the driving scene in Goa of late. Been out of the country for about 3 years now. However back down memory lane, when I was in Goa, I remember, Goan riders (without classification) lacked discipline on the roads. All said and done, 'Hats off to Cecil', Keep it goin' maan!!! By the way, Cecil, what was this morning's Kalyan...? In case your playing for tomorrow's draw, play lucky no 60. Elton
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## DR J COLACO'S RESPONSE OF OCT 2 If the Navy did not display this intransigence wrt Civilian Flights - NOBODY would have bothered (very last line of posting) My question: WHEN did pressure begin to be applied on the Navy about civilian flights? Since 1962? Or since the late 80s early 90s? Any info about this history would be of interest. Thanks.
[Goanet]Re: Caste
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Basilio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cursory glance at empirical data will show, to any dispassionate student of caste problem, that there is no data or demonstrable evidence to perpetuate the accusation that the Church remains complicit in the caste business. There is quite a lot of evidence of exactly that available. For one thing, look at the dismal figures of dalit Christian clergy in India (as compared to their ratio in the Christian population). There have been a number of agitations within the Christian (all sects) community seeking redressal of this, but not much progress has taken place. It is indisputable that the Church, i.e. individuals in the hierarchy of the Church (for a thoughtful and dispassionate discussion this is an important distinction between the hierarchy of the church and the church) has pandered to caste and casteism. The distinction drawn between the Church (the institution), and the 'hierarchy of the church' is specious. The way an institution operates in the real world is determined to quite an extent by its hierarchy, and as long as these hierarchies cling to their entrenched privileges, we are not going to see much progress. Maybe some reservation for dalit clergy at all levels of the church hierarchy would help? Or, rather than reservation, affirmative action along the lines of the US?
[Goanet]Iffy Angle of IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## SECOND TAKE ON GABE MENEZES' OCT 18 RESPONSE TO DABOLIM DEBATE Think of the baksheesh involved in this huge project which will also include highway roads avoiding NH 17 I too have noticed that our government leaders seem to have a fixation on transportation projects. In a comparison between CHOGM (1983) and IFFI based on an editorial in the HERALD last December I found that one legacy of CHOGM was striking viz the obsession with transportation projects. Then it was helipads, ferry jetties, motor launches, luxury buses -- and a boulevard. For IFFI it was initially with ropeways, skybuses, a floating theatre structure (all thankfully abandoned since then!) -- and the four lane boulevard. Motor launches and Volvo buses entered the picture later. Most recently there has been talk of screening films on beaches using gigantic plasma displays. If this clicks then soon we can expect to see beaches being converted into drive-in theatres (subject to CRZ regulations if any! ) and what would this involve? Paving them over for all the cars! Presto, an incipient transportation project.
[Goanet]Re: P G may shift
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I absolutely agree with Sachin Phadte about the unethicalness of PG shifting its manufacturing base out of Goa after the expiry of their tax holiday period. Would anyone be able to enlighten me on the criteria for different states to be granted this tax holiday, (or is it just political considerations) and why there is no clause imposed that the industry availing of this tax holiday must remain in the state for a specified time after the expiry of the tax holiday? Or else, there is going to be permanent migration of industry from state to state every five years depending on the availability of the tax holiday. Diana
[Goanet]Caste in Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence responds: Fred and a few others may be causing 'borem confusaum' on this topic. When we talk about caste, there are some well defined terminologies and groups. First Fred negates that it is, Brahmin-versus-Chardo battle in Goa. But then he goes on to add, in reality, a jostling for posting among the two dominant groups. Of course he does not mention the groups. I think Fred and others are referring to a dynamic society where individuals and social groups are being competitive and even aggressive. And that may be good for them as well as good for Goa. If unethical, that may be bad. This 'group vitality' is a universal phenomenon. This is not a 'caste issue'; which has it own historical and cultural baggage- as Cornell and Gonsalves point out. So those participating in this discussion need to define their semantics. Or else we may be going round in circles. Ami Goenkars murree!!! This is best exemplified in a few posts including the article describing 'ground reality'. Anecdotal examples, urban legends and Goencho kaneos are a poor substitute for science / surveys that depicts CURRENT cultural /social practice. If we are going to make strong statements convicting individuals, institutions or sections of a community, we have to present the demographic patterns and not discount the statistics to keep it simple. Every community has its bigots, chauvinists and extremist elements. There are some Goans who may still believe that the earth is flat. This does not make it a cultural trait. Tujem sangok sarkem assa ki amcho Goemkaramcho ekvott nam mhunn. Regards. Gilbert Lawrence Fred Noronha: You're presuming (as did the dominant Catholic discourse for at least a century prior to 1961) that caste is a Brahmin-versus-Chardo battle in Goa. It's a lot more complex than that, and it's not just who battles for the top spot in the hierarchy, but how the system affects a whole lot of others who might belong to neither of these two castes. One could also add that some of the anti-caste posturing is, in reality, a jostling for posting among the two dominant groups at the 'top' end of the pile. Gilbert Lawrence: I would like to hear about a Chardo/non-Brahmin Harvard MBA being turned down for marriage in exchange for a Brahmin school drop-out.
