that he is
really doing Christians a favor by exposing their insecurities.
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In your last post you claimed some historical facts. You did so with much
confidence (to prove me wrong!). Obviously as a smart individual, you would
not be making
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Firstly, I am at a loss to understand your current talk of anti-Catholic views.
How can you possibly arrive at such a view when, as in my case, all one is
seeking is historical veracity on the temple/church issue in Goa because of
intellectual curiosity
.
As I said, the more Gilbert writes on this topic, the more it highlights his
biases.
Marlon
-- GL continues:
Quote from history:
Viceroy Antano de Noronha issued in 1566, an order applicable to the entire
area under Portuguese rule : I hereby order that in any area owned by my
Hi Cornel,
I will assume that the following is the British way of saying, I stand
corrected.:=))
Now if we can only get the other Goan anti-Catholics on the same page as you, I
will have done my missionary work.
Pray, please tell us where do you keep reading this Goan anti-Catholic
propaganda?
Hi Marlon,
I read what I have written, and compared it to YOUR descriptions /
interpretations of what I wrote.
It indeed does NOT give me confidence to rely on what you claim you saw.
In fact your spin on my writings is doing wonders to your credibility, and is
really making my point.
Perhaps
prove a negative! Hope this information helps your (and other
Goans') future reading and writings. So you are right with, I detect a
presentational problem over some of this debate.
Regards GL
-Cornel
I asked if, because Gilbert had not personally found the evidence about
I am not sure that regular disclaimers by the moderators and producers of this
bulletin board can protect them in addition to the poster from, It's not
uncommon for users to ridicule, harass or insult those who disagree with them.
Individuals who have a pattern of such posts, expose themselves
My son-in-law (ex-Bombayite and ex-Manipal engineering graduate) is a past
graduate of Harvard Business School (HBS), Boston. As such he is a member of
their alumni and I get to see the HBS Alumni bulletin.
In the June '06 issue of the magazine the cover is blazoned with INDIA GOES
GLOBAL
For perhaps every true fact of the Middle Ages there are many of Dan
Brown's accounts, analysis, opinions and conjectures.
Recently I was reading a well-written account on the discrepancy between the Da
Vinci's Last Supper painting and the true account of the event (Passover
supper) per Jewish
Hi Tony and Floriano,
I agree with you-both about the importance of English language. The importance
of the language is for the students and their parents and others interested in
the next generation of Goans.
Goan Catholics do a good job of sometimes wanting it both ways. They insists
the
Hi Cornel,
Thanks for your question. Your query of physician migration to UK or USA refers
to another example of lack of innovative planning in India in the 1970's and
1980' and perhaps even now. Much of the migration would be reduced if the
medical schools and medical planners expanded and
).
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Retaining walls in Church
Gilbert Lawrence:
If you were building a house for yourself, (as I did) would you want a wall of
an old house (of uncertain building materials) maintained and be a small
component of the new house? And run the risk of collapse of the entire
structure at later
The Goa importing poverty thread evolved in a very enlightening and civil
manner into market economies. I thank both Elizabeth and Mario for keeping it
intellectual. Yet both (and the rest of us) would agree that anything good
(policies, regulations, laws) left to itself and taken to its
ministry in your Church?
Kind Regards, GL
--cornel
Gilbert
Are you seriously saying that Hindu temples were not destroyed by the
Portuguese so as to build churches atop the destroyed buildings?
Please clarify this point in case I have misunderstood you.
Cornel
Yesterday's US national TV program the Nightly Business Report had a news
program about Indian companies buying companies abroad.
The reporter claimed that in 2005, Indian companies spent 100 billion dollars
buying foreign companies.
These were mainly - IT companies, consumer products and
To those who are superstitious and belive in the End-Times, the number 666 is
ominous.
Tomorrow is that date on the calendar.
Kind Regards, GL
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Hi Marlon,
Can you provide me a copy of my post where I an denying that Hindu temples
were destroyed during Portuguese rule in Goa?
Thanks in anticipation.
Kind Regards, GL
-- From: Marlon Menezes
Gilbert for his part believes that the Catholic Church can do no wrong
Santosh's post makes interesting reading and in some ways is thought provoking.
His response as an atheist / agnostic to my post about: What's the Purpose to
life?; and What happens after death, was interesting. It was short and what
one would expect from an atheist / agnostic - Nothing, Nyet,
Hi Mario,
Thanks for your long response how you got dragged kicking and screaming onto
this topic while you were peacefully minding your own business and planting
your spring flowers.
The next time I am caught in this situation, my response to them would likely
be, It's all right to sit on
for Engineering Physics in IIT Bombay.
Well done Ralph! You are destined for great things.
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
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Every Goan is passionate about Goa!
Every other resident of any other place is passionate about the place they
live.
The difference is most other successful people and communities do something
about their passion and channel their Passion into ACTION.
Now that one has identified the
to have their head examined.:=))
Kind Regards, GL
Marlon Menezes
I agree with Gilbert. There should not be any bans on conversions in India or
anywhere. Religion (as Gilbert correctly described with his example of
Christianity in France), like any business, is all about spin and marketing. It
does
the controversial film The DaVinci Code or are planning to do so.
From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It looks like your thinking cap was in the microwave getting
super-charged.:=)) I have to state at the outset that I am not as smart
in connecting the dots (real and im I could not find the decode
Hi Elisabeth,
It looks like your thinking cap was in the microwave getting super-charged.:=))
I have to state at the outset that I am not as smart in connecting the dots
(real and imaginary) as you. Perhaps you are a member of Mensa.
I could not find the decode words as Dan Brown found in
Since I working on your assignment on I am back post, I will let your other
students / devotees respond to this post. Likely the guys who will respond to
it will be thinking straight.:=))
Kind Regards, GL
Elisabeth Carvalho:
No this is not the controversial topic I promised but in the
Hi Eddie,
Thanks for keeping us posted on Edna Fernandes' book Holy Warriors. I along
with many Goans are delighted her book has made it on to the best seller's
list. Hopefully many people are reading her three-year research material and
are gaining much wisdom. Do you think the controversy
Hi Elisabeth,
I am glad you found your thinking cap among all your Khatli Potlis.:=))
OK guys, now straighten up! Ms. Hutton is back.:=))
Missed Ya!!!
I am definitely finished with Dan Brown story, though not the thread. This
especially after watching a week of Da Vinci Code (or something like)
Hi Santosh,
I assume your questions are genuine and you are seeking some answers. I am not
into some gotcha exercise here and I trust you are not into some esoteric
discussion. Thanks for asking me about the CONTEMPORARY issues that the
Church thinkers are involved with. This, rather than
One of the major issue in the Indian news right now is access to education
(albeit it is only one aspect of preferences). In fact, we should be happy
that in India people want to be educated. So the government and the University
Commission should NOT be restrictive on the expansion of
, Marlon Menezes wrote:
Gilbert, it reminds me of another confused work of fiction, also known as the
bible. How about giving us a review of this work of fiction!
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, that is your perception,
which you are welcome to.
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
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levels to know what is
the truth. If you , dear Philip, want to believe otherwise, you are
welcome! I have no agenda, only loyalty.
regards, Gilbert.
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the earnings are from the Navy or the AAI, all
revenue from Dabolim is revenue for the Govt. of India. This is the
same in all airports in India.
The Navys budget for salaries, equipment, etc , has nothing to do with
Dabolim, but comes from the central allocation to the Defence budget.
regards, Gilbert
. Dabolim
has the capacity to support both military and civilian flights for the
next few decades. The Navy will remain in Dabolim, as there is no
other viable alternative to meet our national security requirements
being presently met from this airfield.
regards,
Gilbert Menezes
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, that may not be too bad a thing, in the long run, for
the people who live here.
regards, Gilbert Menezes
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:17:40 -0400
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do. I agree that this level should be adjusted
marginally depending on the threat perceptions,reviewed from time to
time, but unfortunately, more than 50% of it is spent on pays(of
serving personnel) and pensions(of poor guys like me)
regards, Gilbert Menezes
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006
Churchill, who have found a convenient subject to distract
public opinion away from their misdeeds, and now have a nice platform
to garner votes . Im pretty certain that Dabolim will continue to fly
civil as well as military aircraft ,during my lifetime, for sure.
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
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are now getting
truly globalised, and India is taking its rightful place among the
comity of nations.
Lastly, as a Goan, Im proud that Goa is an important cog in our nations defence.
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
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I understand Cornel's discomfort in using the b b** terminology.
That's likely, because Cornel is giving the Konkani idiom a literal English
translation.
That is however not fair to any native language which should be able to hold
on and use its own colorful colloquialism.
That's like
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and the Navy Act. Incidentally, Both these legal documents are based
upon and framed on the QRAI--Queens Regulations and Admilralty
Instructions.
The Navy has nothing to hide, and in fact has punished the guilty quite
swiftly.
regards, Gilbert Menezes
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:14:35 +0530
Whats wrong with spinning? The Father of my Nation was good at it.
Come on, you can have the last word. Speak your words of wisdom, but
no more tiresome questions,please, which I will perforce have to
*duck*.
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:16:23 +
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all Armed Forces veterans, I indulge in name calling when the
Services which I love, and which are the life blood of my country, are
sought to be brought into disrepute, especially by foreigners , that
too of Goan origin.
regards, Gilbert Menezes
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:37:31 +
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You are welcome to have the last word!
regards, Gilbert Menezes.
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:59:46 +1100 (EST)
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As expected, my post regarding the Indian Armed Forces, drew an
instant response from 2 Salazarist gentlemen, who just cant forgive
the Indian Armed Forces for evicting their heroes in 1961.
Need I say more?
regards, Gilbert Menezes
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:36:48 +
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treasury.
You are perfectly free to air your views about Mopa, on this forum,
but please refrain from letting fly loose canonballs about the Armed
Forces, about whom you have little or no knowledge.
regards,
Gilbert Menezes.
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:34:07 +0530
From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL
Hi Savika,
I have not seen your posts before on any other thread. Your initial post
received the usual hammer and nail response. I hope you get my zest. From
your recent response, you have weathered the hammers; and the head of the nail
refuses to budge. So I guess, you are committed and
,Your reference to the Navy as *predators* , in your post is an
insult to every Indian who has abundant respect for our armed forces.
All the Goans who live in Goa are Indians, remember? I suggest that
you keep that in mind in the future.
Gilbert Menezes.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:48:23
It is not my intent to embarass or enter into a controversy with this prolific
writer.
But this author (and other Indian scribes) may be better served to be more
focused (in their writing) and less verbose.
I sometimes to the same thing. Only to have the editor of a newspaper or
journal
to curling. After reading
On Thin Ice, the sport will be even more enjoyable.
ABOUT THE AUTHORS
Meena and Gilbert Lawrence make a wife-husband writing team. They were born in
Bombay (Mumbai), India, where they completed their postgraduate studies. They
immigrated to the U.S. in 1977 and live
, Gilbert Menezes..
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:27:49 +0300
From: D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Navy 'spooks' new Chinese destroyer
Rajat Pandit
Thursday, February 09, 2006 01:35:21 am TIMES NEWS NETWORK
NEW DELHI: In a remarkable act of long-range maritime snooping, Navy's
reconnaissance
to AR's skill at curling is finally uncovered.
ABOUT THE AUTHORS
Meena and Gilbert Lawrence make a wife-husband writing team. They were born in
Bombay (Mumbai), India, where they completed their postgraduate studies. They
immigrated to the U.S. in 1977 and live in Utica, New York. Meena
, you
can get it on your own.
As far as I am concerned, Anjadiva was, and continues to be, an
uninhabited island. I am glad it has been now put to good use for the
nations defence.
Who knows, I may also get to play Golf in Kadamba shortly.
cheers Gilbert.
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lost a brave son of our
country.
regards,
Gilbert Menezes
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I hope Goans continue to support Goan authors. In 2003, Goa Sudharop arranged
with Gilbert Lawrence to have his book distributed at the North American
Reunion. Without incurring too much additional time on their already limited
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Dev Borem Korum!
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starred hotel. If this isnt anarchy, what is?
regards, Gilbert Menezes
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Business Journal, Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Business Week, The London
Times, The Guardian, etc., etc.,!!!
Kind Regards, GL
Gornel
Hi Gilbert,
I have to disagree with you that a book about the planetary system
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:39:06 +0530
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Recently Adm Arun
of New York State.
And enjoy the competitive sport of Curling.
ON THIN ICE by
Meena Lawrence Gilbert Lawrence
Published by Booklocker.com, Inc.
ISBN 1 - 59113 - 826 - 4
URL link at http://www.booklocker.com/books/2194.html
Kind Regards, GL
contemporary fictional novel written by Meena
Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence has just been released in the U.S. by Booklocker
Publishers. The hero, Atul Reddy is from Mumbai. Among the many support stars
in the novel is Joseph Fernandes. There is a conversation in Romi Konkani when
the hero returns back
Looks like this is a good book about Goa and Goans.
After the bhaile does the research and presents the facts, many smart Goans
may want the outsider to even come up with the solution and the magic
formula.
Of course the magic formula would help - as another solution / topic (from
Hi Vivian and others,
Perhaps you-all missed my post (written shortly after Wendell's plea) on
goanet. My suggestion is what Mahatma Gandhi would likely have done. No
speeches, no letter writing, no posts. Just ACTION.
I had suggested EVERY Sunday, at 2:00 PM, Goans led by Wendell and / or
Hello, Goa's recognized authority from the Navy,
To begin with let me congratulate you for being a rare breed of very sucessful
Goans. I hope you are invited as chielf guest at many Goan events as you can
be a real role model for our Goan youth.
Thanks for your response and information. As
Hi Philip,
Sorry to burst your bubble, even though that was not my intention. Please do
not take it personally. I hope your attitude is not how Goanet works and yea
that's a pity. The intention of my post is to encourage Goan posters to write
hard facts that are more educational and less
Hi Philip,
I was hoping someone would respond to your interesting comment. But since no
has done so, let me take your bait.
Goans can stay in their balcao contemplating the three-ring circus in
government in Goa and India. Yet in the short span of about 40-60 years, Goa
and India have made
important that novelists inform their readers that in
his scripts there is a frontier between reality and fiction and it is the
mission of readers to discover where that frontier stays. it is much more
easy to be a novelist.
Gilbert Lawrence:
I would appreciate if Henrique Salles da Fonseca
It is not my intent to opine on Goa's Airport issue. This appears to be
consuming Goans both in the native land and in the Diasporas. Yet this issue
and a few others about Goan attitude to Goa's government intrigues me.
Goans need to remember that Goa and India is a DEMOCRACY. But more
where they identified. Or is Crypto-Jews just a big word to confuse supurlem
Goenkars like me. :=))
Kind Regards, GL
Henrique Salles da Fonseca:
Gilbert Lawrence is right, the abstract has nothing to see with the title.
Furthermore, the most of the inquisitors in Goa were spaniard and italian
Many posts have been written on this subject. None that I read, quoted the
total number of flights to land / take off from Dabolim. Most airports with
one run way should be able to land a plane every 15 minutes - AT LEAST. So A
MINIMUM OF 240 planes a day CAN USE THE AIRPORT between 6 AM and
Hi Eustaquio,
I read the selected abstraction from the novel and found nothing connecting the
passages to the title Reliving the Portuguese terror.
Am I missing something?
Both you and the author tell us that this is a novel (and not a historical
book).
So what is the message of your post and
Hi Tony,
Thanks for your response. I studied the issue of Diaspora Goans and their
associations.
With all due respect, your post is a bit contradictory.
The contradictions and my comments are below following the relevant sections.
Kind Regards, GL
Tony Barros: (TB)
Your last posting on the
Hi Tony,
Thanks for responding to my post on the above subject. Beyond the
superficial, we agree a lot. We both emphasize the need to maintain strong
family and community ties, which as you have shown really helps in the time of
a crises. So, if one lives in Paradise of Toledo, Ohio, or in
Goans living on the east coast of Canada and USA can save themselves from going
to Munich, Germany for the Oktoberfest.
Attend the FREE Oktoberfest just south of Albany, at Hunter Mountain, New York
on the weekend of October 1 and October 8.
Great German music, dancing, food, arts and crafts
Last week, I saw a couple of posts on assisting Goans in the three states
affected by the hurricane disaster. On my return, I gleamed through the posts
in cyber-Goa to see NO FURTHER dialogue on this subject - surprising and
disappointed!
I was hoping to see some issues surface,
Hi Victor,
I could not read the attachment that may have attached to your posting.
However if you will bear with me, I would like to respond to what the headline
of your post suggest.
Hurricane Katrina was a natural disaster exacerbated by human miscalculations.
It realy does not matter what
Hi Carmo,
Glad to hear that you and your family weathered the recent storm of Katrina
which hit Florida. And your intellectual lifeline - computer and e-mail
connection to the outside world is intact.
Your B--a B--t reference had me and my wife ROTFLMAO. I am sure you know,
this is not a
Hi Oscar,
I do not recollect reading that post or the URL. But it would be worth
posting it again.
I empathize with you with the feeling of lack of support from the Goan
community.
But as a quick response, if there are any Goans who seek some advice, they can
follow the dialogue on
The most famous GOA stands for is Gulf of Alaska.
That's lesson 101 for every sailor and Pacific fisherman. :=))
Gulf of Alaska is also important for those cruising the northwest
GOA is also important for those in the oil tanker business
Kind Regards, GL
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
From:
smart Goans.
We need more posts from you!
Kind Regards, GL
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Thanks for your message - but I was really disappointed about where you
truncated my email and made me appear like the poster-boy of the proud Cooks
n Butlers
will be on Indian culture,
history, religions and economic development. I am told by the university and
many MVLIR members that they are looking forward to the course. And so am I.
Kind Regards, GL
Eugene Correia
From Gilbert Lawrence's complaints, I picked the one that I feel needs
urgent attention. It's
Hi Carmo and Jose,
I fully agree with the following sentiments.
But the Goan youth need some mentors and role-models.
Thus, they will get the message that in spite of being a minority, Goans can
excel.
No more 'EXCUSES' that we cannot achieve becasue of favoritism.
Our motto should be, Goans can
over the lots of woulda, coulda, shoulda.:=))
Kind Regards, GL
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My reading of Newman's writings is: There are too much of opinions and
stories (kaneos) and too little analytic and statistical facts on Goa, its
people and its life
If the information in the article below is true and I have no doubt it is, then:
Congratulations and Thank you Kavish Kamat and Anil Sastry for your article.
Congratualtions to native Goans for that progress.
How come that article appeared in Hindu and not in a Goan paper?
How come the story below
I read Wendell Rodricks' article (and other posts) on this topic with interest
and CONCUR ON SOME points with all of them. There are many areas where things
are easier said than done. While much of what is written in targeted to the
Diaspora Goan (and that is good), Goan Diasporas cannot come
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