Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-27 Thread J. Colaco jc
Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Read JC's link and the points raised therein. BTW, Nehru was very, very good at EnglishYou cannot attack him on mangling the English language as some of our present politicians do. His politics may have not appealed to many and, as usual, he

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-27 Thread Frederick Noronha
JC, In which mainstream dictionary is Paki included as a non-slur word? Wictionary defines it as a  offensive, racial slur in Canada and the US. So keep in mind that it could be used in a Times of India headline without the same offensive sentiments. For example: There's something about Paki men

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-27 Thread J. Colaco jc
Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: [1] JC, In which mainstream dictionary is Paki included as a non-slur word? Wictionary defines it as a offensive, racial slur in Canada and the US. [2] You are arguing in circles when you say: Those who do not get it at this stage will

[Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-23 Thread Mervyn Elsie Maciel
Why 'Goanese' is incidentally a puzzle, since when speaking English, they refer to themselves, and are referred to by other Indians, as *Goans;* so that the word 'Goanese' is now in many ways a term of opprobrium, descriptive only of the employment of Goans in European domestic service. So

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-23 Thread Frederick Noronha
Mervyn, We are back on one of Goanet's favourite subjects! The Brits were obviously describing the Goans in English *before* the Goans themselves (or other Indians) used that language to describe themselves. (Prior to the Portuguese, I suspect it was caste identities which were more important

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese? Then Britisher?

2011-02-23 Thread J. Colaco jc
Eugene Correia wrote: I think Goanese is right, just as Burmese. I do not remember the exact explanation why the use of Goanese is grammatically sound. It has to do with phonetics, and, I believe, with the of the last word n. Any grammarians (not pop grammarians variety) who could expand on

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese? Then Britisher?

2011-02-23 Thread Frederick Noronha
Aw gee... now with JC in this discussion (after his Februarical), we should have enough entertainment for a month of Sundays! FN PS: Of all the travellers to Goa, who left accounts of what they encountered, would you agree that Sir Richard Burton was probably the most racist? On 23 February 2011

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese?

2011-02-23 Thread Eugene Correia
Read JC's link and the points raised therein. It says, Goans would have skipped the issue if the term *Goanese* was used by folks who were simply unaware of linguistics. Unfortunately, the term *Goanese* has been used in the not so distant past and is still being used, by many educated Indians, in

[Goanet] Not Goanese? Then Britisher?

2011-02-22 Thread Frederick Noronha
We have often raised howls of protests about the Brits (and some others) calling us Goanese. My belief is that this is just out of ignorance, and not meant as an insult (much like Kanarese, in the days of yore). But, as one repeatedly encounters, the Goa media often describes the British/English

Re: [Goanet] Not Goanese? Then Britisher?

2011-02-22 Thread Eugene Correia
Check old issues of Goa Today and the subject of whether the use of Goanese is well explained. I think Goanese is right, just as Burmese. I do not remember the exact explanation why the use of Goanese is grammatically sound. It has to do with phonetics, and, I believe, with the of the last word

Re: [Goanet] The Goanese Fusion Flavours - cookery manual

2010-05-21 Thread Alda Figueiredo
Dear Readers The Goanese Fusion Flavours - ISBN 0951901931 Recently, I have received several telephone requests for the above cookery book published in 2005. Anyone interested in purchasing it can contact Waterstone bookshop in your vicinity. Most of the Waterstone branches in the UK do

[Goanet] Goan/Goanese

2009-11-23 Thread Michael Ali
In the US too we are referred to by most either verbally or in print as 'Goanese'. This stems from ignorance and not from any other reason as they do not know any better. Those who know the community well always refer to them as Goans. I fully agree with FN when he concludes saying 'simply a

Re: [Goanet] Goan/Goanese

2009-11-23 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
From: Michael Ali mikeal...@aol.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, 23 November, 2009 6:57:59 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goan/Goanese Furthermore, in French, a person from Pakistan is not Pakistani but Pakistanese. I too was surprised as being addressed as such by a Frenchman once

Re: [Goanet] Goan/Goanese

2009-11-23 Thread newton filomeno
Hi all you thoroughbred Goans! I think someone did mention that the Aglo-Indians from India called Goans, Goanese. Rightly so; 'Anglo-Indians from Australia still call Goans, Goanese. This is either because: 1. They we told so by their elders, and so it went on until this day. or 2. They just

[Goanet] {Goanet] Goans, Goanese and Goan culture

2009-11-18 Thread Mario Goveia
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@aol.com wrote: Ms. Alda Figueiredo what on earth led her to use the term Goanese? The term was applied to us disparagingly by outsiders Now, a century later, it is used by one of us? Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:33:54 -0500 From: J.