Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca Folks, It's been a long time since I have read anything from Mario. Mario responds: Folks, If Mervyn had read all my posts he would know that I patiently correct all the misinformation he routinely posts on Goanet:-)) See more below. Mervyn wrote: However, If I have understood Obama correctly, Obama wants to correct the current situation in the US where people WITH health insurance are going bankrupt. The 'for profit' health insurance companies are simply refusing to pay for medical services when people fall sick. Mario responds: To begin with, Mervyn has not understood Obama correctly. Even Obama has no idea what he is talking about, which is why legislators from his own party are confused and refused to vote on destroying the American health care system before leaving on a one month vacation. However, Obama has categorically rejected a Canadian-style system that Mervyn and Bosco love so much as seen in this report from ABC News: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/abc-news-yunji-de-nies-and-sunlen-miller-report-president-barack-obama-says-he-does-not-want-to-raise-taxes-on-health-care-b.html Excerpt: The first question came via YouTube. The President was asked why, unlike most industrialized nations, he is not pursuing a single-payer health care system. He answered that such a system would be “hugely disruptive” because of the current systems reliance on employer based healthcare. “We should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls cost but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free- market system,” the President said. [end of excerpt] Secondly, Mervyn's assertion that the insurance companies are simply refusing to pay for medical services is clearly a bald faced falsehood. I had very expensive treatments for cancer and paid only a pittance in deductibles, etc. Even people without insurance can get emergency treatment at any hospital in the country at no cost to them. I have no idea how anyone can write such poppycock that can be shown to be false so easily. Besides, I wonder if Mervyn and Bosco are hired by companies that are not expected to make a profit, because they are constantly referring to the greed of companies that make a profit or falsifying what they do as shown above. Mervyn wrote: Just the other day, Barrack (blessed be, his name) said on national TV that the US is spending $6,000 MORE per person than Canada does on health services and yet is no where close to having the free health services that all retired Canadians have. Mario responds: I wonder which part of Canada Mervyn is living in. If he had read my posts he would have seen the following reports on the FREE health care system that he is trying to fool us about: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/canadian.health.care.system/ and the following undercover investigation: http://www.pjtv.com/video/Louder_With_Crowder/_PJTV_Undercover%3A_Steven_Crowder_Investigates_CanadaCareWill_ObamaCare_Be_Any_Better%3F/2153/;jsessionid=abclC2GRco1Bp-Bftqmls Anyone who is familiar with this subject would know that in return for the $6000 more on average that it costs in the US, the quality of care in the US far exceeds Canada's third world system where health care is rationed. They don't even have enough physicians or equipment and are put on waiting lists even to see a primary care physician and even longer waiting lists for medical procedures that we can get within a few hours in the US if needed. Even without insurance if it is an emergency. Mervyn wrote: The primary issue burning the US today is the fact that a man can get arrested in his own house just because he is non-white. Obama is going to rectify this absurdity by having a national holiday called, Drink a beer with someone who arrested you day. Mario responds: This is yet another bald faced falsehood. Mervyn is obviously referring to an incident at Harvard University recently where an unruly black professor was arrested outside his house by a white cop who was assisted by a black cop and a Hispanic cop, but, as usual, he is distorting the facts out of all recognition: Here are some credible reports of what
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- Mario wrote: As we can plainly see, for Bosco, anyone who points out the notorious waiting lists in the FREE Canadian health care system for any serious medical procedure is a right wing conservative nut. RESPONSE: Mario, you DO NOT live in Canada. You live in the US and your news is doctored in your 'interest'. The whole world knows that. However you are the top cut-and-paste artist here while at the same time having close to zero knowledge about what you write about. Numero Uno!!! You are welcome to wallow in the xenophobia dished out to Americans by the likes of NCPA. No tangible data, just chest-thumping. Perhaps you are hooked on Shona Holmes too, who shows up on your tube at every commercial break. You have been trained well by the 'establishment'. You, having little positive to say about your own situation, but eager to put-down everybody else, Canadian Healthcare, British NHS, European socialists, Goan electorate, etc, etc... You are a typical political operative who only seeks to invent a boogie-man so that you can then tear it down. There is little positive you can say about your own situation. We see this cycle every couple of years in Sep-Nov in the US from the pol-ops. WARNING: Here is a video report on Canadian health care that Bosco should not watch because it will definitely put him on some waiting list up in Health Care Heaven, a.k.a. Canada: http://www.pjtv.com/video/Louder_With_Crowder/_PJTV_Undercover%3A_Steven_Crowder_Investigates_CanadaCareWill_ObamaCare_Be_Any_Better%3F/2153/;jsessionid=abclC2GRco1Bp-Bftqmls RESPONSE: If you are depending on an outlet called Pajamas TV for your news, I'm sure you also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too. So I will not burst your bubble. Keep blowing!!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/7/30 Bosco D'Mello bos...@canada.com http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649 RESPONSE: In June 2009 Mario passed off a few links bashing Canadian Healthcare. At the time it was demonstrated [1] Mario was pushing right-wing think-tanks who purported to write the 'gospel' on the state of Canadian Healthcare. Today he forwards a link from NCPA that details how Americans are living in the Garden of Eden. Once again Mario has forwarded links from a right-wing, conservative think-tank that seeks to promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector [2]. In order words, those Americans who cannot afford to pay for healthcare should be denied healthcare. The rest of Mario's gratuituous comments are ignored as he disgorges them here on a daily basis. - B References: [1] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-June/178627.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis COMMENT: From the only voice of truth, reason and blah, blah...blah. or should it be a curmudgeon ? Brown people are lining up to get into the USA...what's the big deal? They are not only lining up, but given half a chance, do a vanishing act when on holiday here; please check this story out which was on Goan Voice U.K. (link) today:- http://entertainment.expressbuzz.com/entertainment/Entertainstory.aspx?Title=Arbaaz-Malaika%E2%80%99s+nanny+shocker+in+Londonartid=xcRCw/n1Yfs=SectionID=1cjn2aDoBOM=MainSectionID=1cjn2aDoBOM=SectionName=aG2z|ca8jQw=SEOhttp://entertainment.expressbuzz.com/entertainment/Entertainstory.aspx?Title=Arbaaz-Malaika%E2%80%99s+nanny+shocker+in+Londonartid=xcRCw/n1Yfs=SectionID=1cjn2aDoBOM=MainSectionID=1cjn2aDoBOM=SectionName=aG2z%7Cca8jQw=SEO The big open day festival held here last Sunday comprised more than the usual number of Goans directly out of Goa! Konkani was spoken every where by young mobile youth. The Swindon event to be held shortly will be a show case of 'Goa' abroad - now that is something which no other country except perhaps for the Gulf would be able to display; except that we had the authentic Goa feeling, with Alcohol freely flowing, and Konkani music blaring away. The internet is a wonderful thing view points for and against freely available; these can be cut/copied and pasted, to suit the cloth.Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if that opinion is wrong! Any one going to Muscat for the Global convention? Any plans for 15th celebrations, for Goanet, in December? A member of my family went to Lebanon recently, said it was absolutely beautiful, any Goans there? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? - CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Mario wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692973435303415.html http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:38:00 -0400 From: Bosco D'Mello bos...@canada.com In June 2009 Mario passed off a few links bashing Canadian Healthcare. At the time it was demonstrated [1] Mario was pushing right-wing think-tanks who purported to write the 'gospel' on the state of Canadian Healthcare. Today he forwards a link from NCPA that details how Americans are living in the Garden of Eden. Once again Mario has forwarded links from a right-wing, conservative think-tank that seeks to promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector [2]. In order words, those Americans who cannot afford to pay for healthcare should be denied healthcare. Mario responds: As we can plainly see, for Bosco, anyone who points out the notorious waiting lists in the FREE Canadian health care system for any serious medical procedure is a right wing conservative nut. Bosco desperately tries to cast aspersions on factual information from credible sources without making any attempt at disputing the facts that they have presented. Bosco and some of his left leaning friends would like to see the US reduced to the level of Canada, nice but weak, whereas some of us would like to see the US return to being the great country it has been historically, a beacon of freedom and enterprise and the lone hope of the oppressed in so many countries voluntarily willing to shed its blood on behalf of others. I would encourage Goanetters to read both the links above and the ones below and then make up their own minds. Somehow, it has never occurred to the left-leaning Canadians to allow private for-profit health care providers for those who want it. Like good socialists they prefer to drag everyone down towards the lowest common denominator. Of course the safety net for Canadians who want to live is to buy health insurance in the US and come to the US for serious treatments they cannot get in Canada. They will have nowhere convenient to go if Obama succeeds in making the US health care system as accessible and dangerous to those who need serious medical procedures as Canada's. Here is yet another recent report from the notoriously right wing, conservative news channel, CNN, on the wonders of the Canadian health care system. Bosco may consider CNN a right wing conservative channel because of where he stands, whereas we consider CNN a left wing channel:-)) http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/canadian.health.care.system/ WARNING: Here is a video report on Canadian health care that Bosco should not watch because it will definitely put him on some waiting list up in Health Care Heaven, a.k.a. Canada: http://www.pjtv.com/video/Louder_With_Crowder/_PJTV_Undercover%3A_Steven_Crowder_Investigates_CanadaCareWill_ObamaCare_Be_Any_Better%3F/2153/;jsessionid=abclC2GRco1Bp-Bftqmls Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:23:08 +0100 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com From the only voice of truth, reason and blah, blah...blah. or should it be a curmudgeon ? Mario responds: The correct description is The lone voice on Goanet for reason, truth and peace. This is necessary on Goanet because some people cannot see the truth even when it stares them in the face in places like Iraq and Singapore.
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Bosco D'Mello wrote: Once again Mario has forwarded links from a right-wing, conservative think-tank that seeks to promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector [2]. In order words, those Americans who cannot afford to pay for healthcare should be denied healthcare. -- Folks, It's been a long time since I have read anything from Mario. However, If I have understood Obama correctly, Obama wants to correct the current situation in the US where people WITH health insurance are going bankrupt. The 'for profit' health insurance companies are simply refusing to pay for medical services when people fall sick. Think about this for a moment. A person saves all his life and then retires. As soon as s/he has her first sickness, the for profit insurance company says, sorry charlie' and the sick person has to spend all her life savings or die. Or spend all her savings AND die. Just the other day, Barrack (blessed be, his name) said on national TV that the US is spending $6,000 MORE per person than Canada does on health services and yet is no where close to having the free health services that all retired Canadians have. But this is only a secondary issue. The primary issue burning the US today is the fact that a man can get arrested in his own house just because he is non-white. Obama is going to rectify this absurdity by having a national holiday called, Drink a beer with someone who arrested you day. Hey, if any of my US friends want to me over for a beer, you know where to call me. I will bring the pizza's Mervyn1650Lobo 416-967- __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? - CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 2009/7/29 Ruby Goes rubyg...@bigpond.com Goanetters, Here's food for thought. http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/23/doctors.attitude.race.weight/index.html Have a super day. Rubygoes (WOMAN OF COLOUR!) RESPONSE: and we are continually being told that the USA has moved forward; does that mean that a Goan living in the rust belt would be treated differently from one say residing in San Diego or New York? In turn would they be treated better than a Black person and would a White person be treated better than them? Many of our Doctors and Nurses in the U.K. are non white, in fact the leading heart specialist is non white. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? - CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Ruby Goes, WOMAN OF COLOR, writes from color-blind Australia:-)) Goanetters, Here's food for thought. www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/23/doctors.attitude.race.weight/index.html Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:19:44 +0100 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com and we are continually being told that the USA has moved forward; does that mean that a Goan living in the rust belt would be treated differently from one say residing in San Diego or New York? In turn would they be treated better than a Black person and would a White person be treated better than them? Many of our Doctors and Nurses in the U.K. are non white, in fact the leading heart specialist is non white. Mario responds: Gabe is absolutely correct. British health care, for those who can survive the rationing, is the envy of the world because many of their docs and nurses are non-white, including the leading heart specialist. This article explains why this system is so great: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692973435303415.html In the meantime, life in the US is terrible and racist. Millions are not covered by health insurance. Millions are dying in the streets writhing in pain while others pass them by without compassion. The life expectancy is plummeting. Its like a Mad Max movie:-)) The situation is so bad that millions of brown skinned people continue to pour into the country longing to be ill treated and dicriminated against, just so they can die in America due to racist doctors who want to perform surgery just so they can make more money. Unfortunately for Goans and Indians there are so many of our own Goans and Indians who are doctors in the US, whether in the mythical rust belt which I'm still looking for, but also the heavens on earth like San Diego and New York, that all our lives are at risk as the following article describes, and we all need to return to India as quickly as possible if we want to live. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:32 PM To: goa...@goanet.org http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649 RESPONSE: In June 2009 Mario passed off a few links bashing Canadian Healthcare. At the time it was demonstrated [1] Mario was pushing right-wing think-tanks who purported to write the 'gospel' on the state of Canadian Healthcare. Today he forwards a link from NCPA that details how Americans are living in the Garden of Eden. Once again Mario has forwarded links from a right-wing, conservative think-tank that seeks to promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector [2]. In order words, those Americans who cannot afford to pay for healthcare should be denied healthcare. The rest of Mario's gratuituous comments are ignored as he disgorges them here on a daily basis. - B References: [1] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-June/178627.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis
