Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:37:00PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > I've come to understand that even if the remote party does not support > gshut, at least in one direction there will be benefit (downpreffing of > routes received from the BGP neighbor which is about to be shut down). This sort of

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@instituut.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, > 2017 4:37 PM > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:55:25PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:49:10PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:41:06PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote:

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:29:01PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > we seem to be having quite the discussion on this document, ought it be a > > WG draft ? should we vote to adopt? :) > > Yes, please make this a

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

err, I should have just mailed an adoption call :) I'll do that and note that nick/gert/job all already voted 'yes'. On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Christopher Morrow wrote: > > we seem to be having quite the discussion on this document, ought it be > >

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Hi, On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:49:10PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:41:06PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 03:07:32PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > > On a side note, I'd be interesting to know why reducing the impact > > > of the

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:41:06PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 03:07:32PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > On a side note, I'd be interesting to know why reducing the impact > > of the maintenance using gshut is not considered as worth it, while > > it is for

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Hi, On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 03:07:32PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > On a side note, I'd be interesting to know why reducing the impact > of the maintenance using gshut is not considered as worth it, while > it is for culling. Especially since the benefit of the latter is > 90 second

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 03:07:32PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@instituut.net] > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:28:56PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > > > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasley > > > > > > >

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:28:56PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasley > > > > Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 02:07:21AM +0100, Alejandro Acosta: > > > What do you think in including also some suggestions when bringing up > > > the

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@instituut.net] > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:28:56PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote: > > > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasley > > > > > > Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 02:07:21AM +0100, Alejandro Acosta: > > > > What do you

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

> From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasley > > Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 02:07:21AM +0100, Alejandro Acosta: > > What do you think in including also some suggestions when bringing up > > the BGP sessions?. Sometimes it´s good idea to bring them up one by one > > or something

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Job Snijders wrote: > At this moment I'm inclined to consider such 'staggered gradual > restoration' recommendations out of scope for this BCP. Mainly because I > am not aware of a generic, currently in-use recommendations and the > problem space might be somewhat undefined. I'd suggest that ixp

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 02:07:21AM +0100, Alejandro Acosta wrote: > Excellent idea to write this down. Congrats to the authors. Thanks! > What do you think in including also some suggestions when bringing up > the BGP sessions?. Sometimes it´s good idea to bring them up one by one > or

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 02:07:21AM +0100, Alejandro Acosta: > What do you think in including also some suggestions when bringing up > the BGP sessions?. Sometimes it´s good idea to bring them up one by one > or something like that, the idea is to make the device to fill out the > forwarding table,

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Hi, On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 09:33:45AM +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > Also, do we know why still so few use BFD on IXPs? Since all other > mechanisms apart from BFD lacked consensus (there were L2 reporting > protocol proposals I remember from 10+ years back), it would be great if > BFD

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 11:16:55PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: With this BCP Internet-Draft we hope to draw some attention to good practises which can be applied by IP networks or IXPs to mitigate negative impact caused by maintenance operations on

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Hi, On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 11:16:55PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > With this BCP Internet-Draft we hope to draw some attention to good > practises which can be applied by IP networks or IXPs to mitigate > negative impact caused by maintenance operations on lower layer > networks. The idea is to

Re: [GROW] draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling-00

Excellent idea to write this down. Congrats to the authors. What do you think in including also some suggestions when bringing up the BGP sessions?. Sometimes it´s good idea to bring them up one by one or something like that, the idea is to make the device to fill out the forwarding table,