Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Deredere Galbraith
Well accurate or not I like the pattern. I think I am going to make it just to sleep in. B and C look so cute and romantic. :-) Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

[h-cost] Tippet color

2007-05-03 Thread Melissa Brown Muckart
My husband and I are both currently making 14th C. surcotes which will have tippets. The article The Tippet: Accessory after the Fact? by Robin Netherton mentions that the tippets are almost always white. Most images I've seen of tippets show them as white. But I don't recall ever seeing the

Re: [h-cost] Tippet color

2007-05-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Melissa Brown Muckart wrote: The article The Tippet: Accessory after the Fact? by Robin Netherton mentions that the tippets are almost always white. Most images I've seen of tippets show them as white. But I don't recall ever seeing the back side of a tippet in any of the

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

2007-05-03 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 5/2/2007 9:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anne, when and where is this to be held? Now that I am mostly retired, i might even be able to get away in the Fall. Milwaukee, last weekend in September. I didn't save the call for papers,

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 00:54 03/05/2007, you wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. Owning originals that are Not comfortable for actual modern

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
I like this , too, about it. Kathleen (who sent most of her antique stuff to auction last week; who is wearing a lovely antique Victorian wrapper to the breakfast table, these days.) Now that I do not need to preserve it for future programs, I plan to wear the things I kept as the mood and

[h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic

2007-05-03 Thread Catherine Kinsey
from Sharon: Thoughts: -30 second costume changes. -$300 costume budget for the whole show-12 actors. -Director's vision-often more artistic than historically accurate, so you try and compromise. -Lack of a crew to make everything you envision. Sometimes it just comes down to not enough time.

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Cheryldee
In a message dated 5/2/2007 6:54:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, actor safety, comfort, and the ability to do quick- changes, dance moves, sword fights, or whatever else needs to happen in the show also often have an impact. I once draped an HMS

[h-cost] Re: 16th-century short pants????

2007-05-03 Thread tearoses
That's what I originally thought about the Bruegel field workers, or that they were worn-out hosen that had been cut off below the knees. That's why I did a double-take when I saw the Bathsheba picture, because that guy is clearly not in his drawers, or about to do any field work. Maybe,

Re: [h-cost] Need fabric selection advice

2007-05-03 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find myself thinking hmm... Cavalier, or better, Restoration. Ooo. OoooOoo! Perfect! And I've been looking for an excuse to make some c1665 stays, too... -E House ___

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread MaggiRos
Theatrical costumes need to meet different demands than reenactment costumes, and theatrical costumes often need to be made on a tight deadline to boot. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, and expecting complete historical accuracy of theatre costumes is absurd.

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread Cin
Compromises? When the performers are required to provide their own costumes at their own expense. 20 different people will each compromise in 20 different ways: this one for vanity, that one for cost, another for a favorite color, she has a quick change, he changes from tux to tails and so on.

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread MaggiRos
And are we all ready for James Purefoy (sigh, faint, oh my) this sunday as Beau Brummel? BBC America at 8:00pm for those who subscribe. The website only has a few pictures, but he looks, dare I say it, dandy! http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/227/index.jsp MaggiRos ~who only knows about the

[h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

2007-05-03 Thread Dawn
MaggiRos wrote: And are we all ready for James Purefoy (sigh, faint, oh my) this sunday as Beau Brummel? BBC America at 8:00pm for those who subscribe. The website only has a few pictures, but he looks, dare I say it, dandy! http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/227/index.jsp Oh, yum! Is this

RE: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread Abel, Cynthia
Also in the theater, on top of budget limitations, there is also the consideration of what is going to be seen by the audience, both in the front row and the cheap seats Lighting, director's vision, and just the present-time aesthetics also play a big part. Costume budgets have always been a

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

2007-05-03 Thread Ruth Anne Baumgartner
As a costumer in community theaters with miniscule budgets, of course I join others who've said the budget is a big factor in costume design (and the question of authenticity). Absolutely also, the practical demands of the theatrical role (including the stage temperature) affect the costume

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew T Trembley
On May 3, 2007, at 11:09 AM, MaggiRos wrote: Not that this keeps us from screaming over the costumes in something like The Tudors. The budget demands of a show like don't explain some of the design choices they made. I'm willing to give historical fantasy more leeway than something that

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
re what can be seen to the folk in the cheap seats: We attended a performance of Madame Butterfly with a large college group. Sitting way up in heaven at the Benedum, we had an excellent view of all the scene changes andd an especially goodview of the right side prop table for most of the

Re: [h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

2007-05-03 Thread MaggiRos
I can't see any mention of multiple parts, so it appears to be a 1-shot thing. BBC Four calls it a full length feature, and apparently ran an hour and 20 minutes, which for BBC America means 2 hours. Here are some more pictures. http://www.flashbacktelevision.com/productions/beaubrummell.html

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
And then there was the production of Auntie Mame. For once, I was just in the cast; someone else was doing costumes. That is, she said she would costume Mame. I got her permission to costume myself; at the dress rehersal I showed up with 5 ordinary vintage costumes. The rest of the cast

RE: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
I remember when we went to Disneyland some years ago and the parade was for the movie Mulan I practically climbed into the street to see the fabulous costumes, all embroidered. I took lots of pictures. Gorgeous! Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
Right. The 30 foot rule often applies in theatre. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic from Sharon: Thoughts: -30 second

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
I find that I can accept less than period correct costumes much easier in a stage production than in movies or TV shows. Maybe that is because in most stage productions, the scenery is suggested, a column standing for a tree in one scene and a ship's mast the next, etc. Suggested costumes seem to

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
A Knight's Tale is a great example. I don't know much about the period, but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like something from Breakfast at Tiffany's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

[h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel

2007-05-03 Thread Saragrace Knauf
Oooh A, thank you for bring this to our attention. I have wanted to see this ever since I watched him in Rome...yum, yum.. Sg - Original Message - From: Dawnmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:21

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: If you film in Hampton Court Palace or an authentic mock up of it on a sound stage, the costumes should be stylistically the same. If the show is filmed with a more fantasy feel to the sets, I can accept more leeway in the costumes. It jars less if

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew T Trembley
On May 3, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It occurs to me that the productions that get the most criticism on this list are historical drama, particularly those that purport to be realistic (say, Elizabeth, which offered film-linked packets for school history programs as part of

Re: [h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

2007-05-03 Thread Dianne Greg Stucki
At 04:52 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: I can't see any mention of multiple parts, so it appears to be a 1-shot thing. BBC Four calls it a full length feature, and apparently ran an hour and 20 minutes, which for BBC America means 2 hours. That looks just yummy. THAT I will stay up to watch! Dianne

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

2007-05-03 Thread Lauren Walker
It's funny, but actually, studying historic costume has made me appreciate what ELSE theatrical and movie costumers are doing more than I did before I knew where to hunt down period-correct sartorial information. When I'm dressing for re-enacting, I strive for ever more accurate

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread Sue Clemenger
Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but), then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets that

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

2007-05-03 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but), then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets

Re: [h-cost] 16th-century short pants????

2007-05-03 Thread michael tartaglio
Hi, All. The man (Uriah) in the painting is wearing typical Landsknecht style clothing. The full joined hose of the late 15th C. have become upper and nether hose. The upper will develop into breeches later on. You could make them for an overheated person, but to be correct, the uppers will be