[h-cost] Is this real or not?

I found a photo on eBay that is being described as a post-mortem bride photo. What do you think, is she death or not? Read the description the seller has of the bride. The item number is 380202466338. Penny Ladnier (who has been snow-bound for two weeks) Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:29:43 -0500 Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com wrote: I found a photo on eBay that is being described as a post-mortem bride photo. What do you think, is she death or not? Read the description the seller has of the bride. The item number is 380202466338.

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If you look at the dress, the ribbon that the seller says is holding her up is clearly a ribbon at the waist. If it was holding her up it would have to go under the veil, but it doesn't look as if it is doing that. This looks like any other photo of this period, in which the sitters had to sit

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In a message dated 2/6/2010 4:45:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, sha...@collierfam.com writes: Who would want a picture of a dead woman bride and what reputable photographer (as this seems to be) would agree to do that? People DID take pictures of their dead babies--I have seen some. But

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I don't think that this is a postmortem photo. I did read (I think it was a book or article) that very early in photography there were photos of dead people done (or people who the family might never see again in life -- Civil War soldiers being a great example) but they were always lying down,

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Her posture is unusually relaxed, but her eyes are far more alive than most other brides´ of that time. And I agree, the flowers look like put into the photo later - they seem to float in the air somewhere in front of her belt and nowhere attached. Or do I just not see the ribbon? Wouldn´t

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There have been pictures of them sitting in chairs. But that woman is obviously alive. From: Onaree Berard msber...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 12:32:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Is this real or not? I

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Thanks for that info. The only ones that I knew of looked like they were taken at the wake. Onaree On 2/6/10, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: There have been pictures of them sitting in chairs. But that woman is obviously alive. From:

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I found a photo on eBay that is being described as a post-mortem bride photo. What do you think, is she death or not? Read the description the seller has of the bride. The item number is 380202466338 I don't believe this is a post mortem photo. I don't think that woman looks dead, she has

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Dianne, that's an oh-come-now. :) The seller is ignorant. The bride is not necessarily relaxed, but sitting that way because of her gown and corset. She is leaning slightly back, but her corset doesn't allow her a bend at the waist. The flowers are probably not photoshopped; she is

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I've heard of post-mortem photos that are taken of the person in a coffin. Are there other examples of them with a dead person posed sitting up? There is something on the side of her head which could be a barrette or could be a head prop or rest of some sort. It does not look

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My experience with photographs is mostly earlier (I am a wet plate photographer and this is almost certainly dry plate) but I agree with you. I do not believe that this is a post mortem photograph at all. Here is the seller's reasoning. The bride in the photo is clearly deceased. Her

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Hey Carol, I have seen plenty of post mortem shots that were not in coffins, though they were almost all if not all if young children. Many of these have the subject posed as if sleeping sometimes in its mother's arms. Usually they don't quite look right and you can therefore tell that they

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I agree that she looks very much alive. The pose for both of them looks totally normal for the time period. I also agree that she is simply looking at something else than the groom. I do not think that he looks upset and there really were a lot of mourning rituals back then. Her flowers do not

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I just realized something else. While it is true that a body goes into rigor after death, I believe (too much CSI) that rigor then PASSES. So unless the bride was photographed IMMEDIATELY after death (in that rigor phase) she would not have been stiff. And I agree with the person who said her

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Couldn't say for sure... but I do notice that her pose is very odd for the time. Generally speaking, you'd expect the bride to be sitting upright, not slightly reclined. Also, you can clearly see her shoes - not flat on the floor. I can't think of another picture with long skirts that show

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I don't think she's dead either. IF she were in rigor, no one would have been able to dress her in those clothes. If she had died just before, during or just after the wedding and died in her dress, the flowers would have been fresh. Her strange position and her feet off the floor could easily be

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Dead photography wasn't that unusual down south, at least - though it does seem to mostly have been children (often posed as if alive in mother's or siblings's arms eeew or in a little chair or cradle; most adults I've seen were laid out or in their casket. Money for photographers was scarce,

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Ann, Yes there was superimposed photography at the time. I have seen photos of a family in a graveyard with a ghost image of the deceased on them. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history - Original

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The flowers appear to be slightly wilted as if they were picked early morning and it is afternoon. Some of the stems are resting in the lap and may be the cause of the angle of the bouquet. If there was a larger picture you might see a buckle on that waist ribbon on the left of the sitter,

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I remember reading about ladies tucking bouquets in their belts, or pinning them to their waists, and I thought of that when I saw this photo. She looks very much alive to me, but those flowers are definitely past their prime. M.

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Double exposure. though the second exposure does not appear real solid. not sure if this is a good example, might be figs on a stick. http://tinyurl.com/2o6b8r -Original Message- Does anybody know if photographers back then could superimpose such things? Anne

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Thank you. I remember seeing this picture before. I suppose it is just natural to see what one can do artistically with a new medium. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010

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What a lively discussion on a snowy weekend! We dodged the big bullet this weekend Ron! I checked my massive bridal photo collection from 1880-1919. Her bodice dates from 1898-1902. So here are my observations from my collection: ***About half of the photos during these four decades, the

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Linda Walton sent me the image URL and I have zoomed in on the photo. The buckle on the belt slightly to her left side. The belt's bottom rests and about an inch above the bodice's bottom. This seems a bit odd location to me. Has anyone seen this fashion trend? The flowers are

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A correction about the flower...I am almost positive that the flower was added later. The stem does not go into a fold line, it just ends abruptly before a normal cutting position. Behind one of the leaves there is a spot that does not appear on the leave. If it was a good sized spot on the

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My understanding is that this image was done with paper figures on sticks. They are rather famous. Double images can certainly be made with wetplate or dryplate photography and I have seen some ghost images that were done that way. A double exposure will usually leave a ghostly image

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I must say, the close-up Beteena provided makes the mystery artifact (the light colored, horizontal whats-it) at her left temple look even more like a photographer's head-clamp than I thought originally! As for her eyes not being completely even, well, lots of people have uneven eyes or very

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Patricia, This white line is only three pixels deep. The white part is online one pixel deep. I think it is probably a scratch on the photo or something on the scanner glass or a bobby pin. At only three pixels, I believe it is a scratch. I run across a lot of photo scratches like this.

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Doesn't look like a head clamp to me. They are not usually light colored. Every original I have seen and most repros are either black or green. The ends are shaped sort of like spoons, less elaborate than those seem. I also wouldn't expect to see it placed so high, but then she is

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The first thought I had: She is not dead. My second thought: I've seen a lot more wedding photos of the groom sitting and the woman standing. And she does seem slightly reclined. And what are we seeing at the hem of her dress? I wonder if she was partially paralyzed or something which would

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Hi Penny, It's still a little tricky — I see jpg artifacts — it's different than if you had the photo and did a hi-res scan yourself. The white pixels around the flower stems could be from sharpening the image file. I see the same effect between the man's sleeve and the background,

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Here is a better one also repro http://www.cwreenactors.com/phorum/read.php?1,6536 I'm your huckleberry Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carnegie Sent: Saturday, February 06,

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Good eye Carol! I hadn't notice before the right temple/out lid. This looks like someone painted digitally on it. I noticed the specs on the man's suit too. Ron, was their a type of airbrushing on photos during this time. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites

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Thanks Ron for the images of head braces. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

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I am not aware of airbrushing, but colouring of the images is sometime done. This is by adding pigments onto the image, which can obscure the image underneath. I'm your huckleberry Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com

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Face it, they have both been dead for a long time. But in the photo they are alive--there's really no reason to think otherwise. Have you EVER seen a post-mortem photo with open eyes? Kim ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

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I have - one or two - but they didn't look like The Bride's.. Imagine something more like that whole fish in the grocer's case, the one you think's a little too old Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO You get a wonderful view from the point of no return...

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The eyes on the bride look natural. This is an example of painted eyes. http://www.petroliaheritage.com/zpostmort.JPG Guess which one. Picture is from here http://www.petroliaheritage.com/people.html scroll down to the pic and it explains a few things. And yes all post mortems have closed eyes.

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I stand corrected, found this photo after i sent the last post http://entertheoctopus.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/52.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume