Re: [h-cost] early Civil War women's dress - side note safety pins

2010-06-08 Thread Käthe Barrows
Just an 'aside' -- Although the moern safety pin might have been invented around 1845, the Princeton Art Museum has a safety pin in their ancient Greek and Roman collection. The invention is only for the safety pin as we know it today. Bronze Age folks also had fibulae, just not exactly what

Re: [h-cost] medieval baby walker Re: looking for a picture

2010-06-08 Thread Käthe Barrows
I made one from a modern one with a circular top, and my older daughter a c.1595 white Elizabethan dress over it. No walker showing, and all I had to do was hold onto the leading strings. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mary mary_m_haselba...@yahoo.com wrote: If you look up Ages of man you'll

Re: [h-cost] Finally, someone has figured out how to repurpose doilies

2010-05-22 Thread Käthe Barrows
Hippies were doing that way back in the 1960s. And remember Janice Joplin's two-piece outfit made from a lace tablecloth? But yeah, thanks for the links. Fun stuff there. http://www.magnoliapearl.com/shop/clothing/clothing-gallery3.htm

Re: [h-cost] Subject: Arty recycling of garments-Recycled Jacket

2010-04-22 Thread Käthe Barrows
For one of my classes A while Back I had to recycle mens wool garments into a tailored  jacket. Recycling garments into other garments became popular in the Great Depression of the 1930s, and became unpopular when it didn't have to be so necessary. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is

Re: [h-cost] CUTTING KNITS (SWEATERS)

2010-04-22 Thread Käthe Barrows
Grandmother taught me that to change knits machine sew a grossgrain ribbon of the desired length on the line to be cut. Cut below the line. Sew on the outside if a rounded finish is desired, turn and hand hem on the ribs. Sew on the inside for a more casual look. Use for sleeves, armholes,

Re: [h-cost] Subject: Arty recycling of garments-Recycled Jacket

2010-04-22 Thread Käthe Barrows
Lots of examples of too-arty-to-be-wearable. Except to a science fiction convention, or an evening event in San Francisco (by a twenty-something), or to a Wearable Art or Fiber Art event. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson

Re: [h-cost] Fwd: You might enjoy this

2010-04-21 Thread Käthe Barrows
And what is it we are supposed to look at? Oops. Um, you were supposed to look at the link I forgot to include: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/100415sportCat=mlb -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William

Re: [h-cost] Arty recycling of garments

2010-04-21 Thread Käthe Barrows
I'm wondering: How many adults are doing arty recycling of garments and linens? By arty I mean more than just buying something second hand and altering it to size. Google on Discarded To Divine. It's an example of Altered Couture, another thing to Google on. Discarded to Divine is a yearly

[h-cost] Fwd: You might enjoy this

2010-04-19 Thread Käthe Barrows
Baseball and costuming -- how can one go wrong? (Ans: way too easily, of course) -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William

Re: [h-cost] Look at this photo

2010-04-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
Gold leaf is a lot thicker than 2 molecules. I meant atoms, because it's an element. But, looking it up just now, the stuff's really thin, like no more than a few atoms thick. I read once that the minimum was two, and that the ancient Romans could get down to four. Back then it was made by

Re: [h-cost] Look at this photo

2010-04-03 Thread Käthe Barrows
The gold jewelry really pops! Is it gold leaf?I believe that gold leaf is only two molecules thick, so maybe gold plated which, I think, is thicker and, therefore, more durable. And gold leaf has to be applied by hand, with glue, where plating is quicker. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows --

Re: [h-cost] Google's Sewing logo

2010-04-01 Thread Käthe Barrows
Sorry, but the April Fool's Day joke was renaming Google to Topeka. Yeah, I sat that this afternoon and had to wonder. Definitely not in Kansas anymore... -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] 20th c. Men's Hats

2010-03-31 Thread Käthe Barrows
I always thought I knew what a pork pie hat was. I wondered how the heck someone could mistake a pork pie for a fedora, so I googled both. Guess I didn't know what a pork pie hat was afterall! Frank Lloyd Wright always wore a porkpie hat. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already

Re: [h-cost] A strange question

2010-03-28 Thread Käthe Barrows
I should have mentioned that I am a Laurel in costuming, and have been for some time. There must be several of us Laurels on this list. But I got my Laurel so long ago that they didn't give them specific names, so mine's generic. I understand the magic of trying to make something as

Re: [h-cost] A strange question

2010-03-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
And, unlike the common perception of Goths, black clothing is not universally worn by the Steampunk crowd. The running joke is Steampunk is what happens when goths discover brown. Lots of grey in there too. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly

Re: [h-cost] A strange question

2010-03-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
I think you got it on the mark - Goth in Indian safari suits??? ;) I've seen that. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] A strange question

2010-03-24 Thread Käthe Barrows
I think a major difference is that Steampunk is more of an aesthetic movement (decoration, clothing, accessories), while Goth is more of a philosophy, To some Steampunk is a philosophy; that of making things ones self. Steampunk includes building steam engines, steam-powered motorcycles,

Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?

2010-03-09 Thread Käthe Barrows
It looks to me like it could be a fancy-dress costume from the 1880s that was supposed to be colonial. I have seen some very interesting 1880s' era fancy dress costumes; no matter the time period that was supposed to be represented, they all had the 1880s' wasp-waisted silhouette. Dolly

Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?

2010-03-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
Yep, Australia. Adelaide to be specific. In Adelaide we discovered 1% alcohol ginger beer, sold as a soft drink at that time in Australia. And we were overflown by a flock of budgies one afternoon. I have that Nancy Bradfield book too (although I think I got it off Amazon). It is lovely. It

Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?/Nancy bradfield

2010-03-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
We still have the budgies, but not the ginger beer I think. I have the paperback edition. Colour pictures would be nice, but I love the drawing of the 1913 evening dress in the back. Yeah, the first edition doesn't have that, nor the mitts, nor the article about women riding bicycles. In

Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?

2010-03-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
Strictly speaking it's now autumn here Australia? The one time I visited Australia was around Easter (autumn down there). In Sydney I bought my copy of Nancy Bradfield's book with the drawings of real garments, in Adelaide I got a c.1912 parasol really cheap in an op-shop (=thrift store), and

Re: [h-cost] Question: Regency trains?

2010-03-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
I think I would go without, if I were you, considering the extreme hassle it would be in a white cotton. And the fact that nobody seems to know how to behave around a train, and if it ever hits the floor somebody will step on it. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is

Re: [h-cost] Question: Regency trains?

2010-03-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
 I believe that means it has a train, and they must still have  been fashionable on the Continent at that time. Or maybe, if someone gave uit to her, it's an older trained dress that was out of fashion and the donor thought it could be remodeled by the recipient. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows --

Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?

2010-03-02 Thread Käthe Barrows
My Viking garb. She's been hiding under it for several months now so I don't feel guilty about looking at her with nothing on. I used to take Patience to elementary schools for costume-related demos, but the kids would giggle when I took the dress off to pack it. So I gave her my t-shirt

Re: [h-cost] Carved busks

2010-03-01 Thread Käthe Barrows
A gardener told me that privet, like for hedges and ornamental bushes, is the same as boxwood. Boxwood has a buttery-fine grain for carving, so it can take lots of little detail. I keep thinking busks could be made of pruned pieces from a privet hedge. Saw this at Christies and thought some

Re: [h-cost] Carved busks

2010-03-01 Thread Käthe Barrows
Me and my brown thumb. I do know privet has a nice carving grain, said gardener having provided me with some small logs of it which he pruned from someplace. Thanks for the clarification. Actually, they're different families: privet Boxwood -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is

Re: [h-cost] mending by embroidery

2010-01-27 Thread Käthe Barrows
The difference between the Victorian/Edwardian and 1960s/1970s philosophies, is that for the Victorians and Edwardians it was routine, and for the hippies it was Look, I'm recycling! More likely, look, I'm decorating!, or demonstrating a new needlework method they'd just learned. If the

Re: [h-cost] mending by embroidery

2010-01-26 Thread Käthe Barrows
Question: are?there any historical ?references to this method in other times? Hippies didn't care if the mends showed, where Victorians/Edwardians did. So earlier mends were as invisible as the craft of the seamstress could produce. Dover republished a book called Victorian Sewing Techniques

Re: [h-cost] My Latest Finds

2009-10-20 Thread Käthe Barrows
The sleeves are short and in a bell shape like the 1890s. As others have said, typical Philippina (female from the Philippines) sleeves. One of my daughters married a Philippino and his mother still wears sleeves like that today (or did as of Easter this year). Google on Imelda Marcos for more

Re: [h-cost] Fabrics bought in England in August, September, 1485 for Henry VII his Affinity

2009-10-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Cloth of gold, riche, Cloth of gold, riche purpille Cloth of gold, grene I inherited some of what I believe is purple cloth-of-silver. It has a purple silk warp and a silver-plated copper weft. It doesn't drape worth diddly, and hangs slightly angular, not smooth, and it catches the light

Re: [h-cost] cleaning up a wool gown

2009-10-15 Thread Käthe Barrows
Hairbrush On a fuzzy dress, I have really good luck with brushing dirt and such out of hems with what was sold as a pot brush, but is a round, natural bristled brush about 3 inches in diameter. I'd like to find a bigger one, but this one at least is nice and stiff. I got it at World Market.

Re: [h-cost] cleaning up a wool gown

2009-10-15 Thread Käthe Barrows
I don't think I have a standard brush for a hair brush, Buy a cheapie plastic hairbrush for this. I use mine for this, then send it through the washer to clean it. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] Query on sewing machines

2009-10-08 Thread Käthe Barrows
For a while in the 80s it seemed like fancy computerized sewing machines were a status symbol among my costuming friends. It seemed like they all had to have the latest and greatest (and most expensive) electronic sewing machines out there. Some of their machines did cross stitch almost as nice

Re: [h-cost] Query on sewing machines

2009-10-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
A couple of options I see: 1) Go to walmart, buy something like the Brother CE-5000PRW, which has every basic thing I think I'd need, and appears to do automatic buttonholes. a) pros - cheap enough to buy another if it has problems b) cons - not as expandable with features, no local

Re: [h-cost] 17c jacket sewing advice

2009-10-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
Unless the gore is very long, I prefer to sew by hand as it ie easier to manipulate the fabric. That's what I was going to say - sew it by hand. I do a lot of hand sewing when the going gets rough. And this garment was originally sewn by hand anyway. The sewing machine trades speed for

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-10-01 Thread Käthe Barrows
However, they used to have live chickens on ships before the invention of refrigerators, so why not sheep as well? By the 19th century ships might have chickens, goats and pigs, but not cows (who are subject to seasickness, sometimes fatally). No idea about the Armada sheep (the black Irish

Re: [h-cost] Native American fiber sources

2009-10-01 Thread Käthe Barrows
North eastern and western are said to have used cedar. It was stripped, dried, pounded and then shredded, then woven. I think you're right about that. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-30 Thread Käthe Barrows
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when. so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya,

Re: [h-cost] Opinions on this book

2009-09-30 Thread Käthe Barrows
I have a copy of The Encyclopedia of World Costume, by Doreen Yarwood. Any opinions on this one? Is it worth saving or should I toss it? I saw a copy once, and didn't buy it, no regrets. I didn't like it. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-29 Thread Käthe Barrows
I can definitely see that typical colonial reaction of anything from the homeland being better, but sheer scarcity would surely lead the colonists to make use of what's around them. I'm also thinking, though, about the many types of native clothing that European frontiersmen adopted, and how

Re: [h-cost] Ballroom gowns

2009-09-29 Thread Käthe Barrows
Hello Sidney, You are looking for MODERN ballroom gowns? Is this really the appropriate group for modern clothing? We usually discuss historical clothing items. I am sure if you ask for favorite historical ballroom gowns you will get quite a bit. But perhaps you should ask another group

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-29 Thread Käthe Barrows
Assuming some influence from both sides of the merger, what would the resulting mixed-race culture have worn, several hundred years in? As stated, they'd probably look a lot like we do now, 2009 being several hundred years in. How many years into the development did you really want? --

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-29 Thread Käthe Barrows
Well, I'm interested both in the modern day effects of a successful Vinland colony, and--since it's my favorite clothing era--in 14thC and 15thC Vinland fashions! But I'll take anything I can get. Hmm. Within a couple of centuries regular trade should have been established. And fur would be

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-28 Thread Käthe Barrows
Assuming some influence from both sides of the merger, what would the resulting mixed-race culture have worn, several hundred years in?  If, for example, there were a Vinlander GFD, what would it have looked like?  What would the men wear in cold weather?  What kind of shoes would people

Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

2009-09-28 Thread Käthe Barrows
Is the sarafan a relative of the apron dress?? I don't think so. It has sides, and, in its recent configurations, it has straps sewn right on. They're wide apart in front and close together in back. And the garment doesn't seem to go back farther than the 1600s (I tried researching one for SCA

Re: [h-cost] Do anyone know this lady? (Italian portrait)

2009-09-28 Thread Käthe Barrows
I'm guessing it's a Bronzino painting. You might try Googling on Bronzinoand looking at the images. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.net wrote:  Am hunting the references on this painting - http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies/3963118205/   Picked

Re: [h-cost] Do anyone know this lady? (Italian portrait)

2009-09-28 Thread Käthe Barrows
   About the only other bit of info I could use it the year - but with the title/artist/museum, have a great chance of finding that!  Thanks! OK, so what were the dates on the other ones with the same dress? That should get it within 10 years either way. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The

[h-cost] Fwd: BBC E-mail: Huge Anglo-Saxon gold hoard found

2009-09-24 Thread Käthe Barrows
saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Huge Anglo-Saxon gold hoard found ** The UK's largest haul of Anglo-Saxon gold artefacts is found buried beneath a field in Staffordshire. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/8272058.stm

Re: [h-cost] Another view of the back of a costume

2009-09-21 Thread Käthe Barrows
That was in Jost Amman's Book of Trades (occupations), republished by Dover. Many back views, and side views too, in that book. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com wrote: One of the questions we get a lot on this list is how does the back of this

Re: [h-cost] Another view of the back of a costume

2009-09-21 Thread Käthe Barrows
Thereal trick is to look at dozens of sources. Eventually you'll find side and back views of some of it. Not common. A long tme ago, someone on this list suggested that the book we need someone to publish would be called Hey Lady, Turn Around! My problem is that so often a painting includes

Re: [h-cost] Cotehardie Help

2009-09-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
http://www.longago.com/pp23-env.gif On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Regina Voorhesreginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, my partner wants something like a knee-length cotehardie with a standing band collar. Does this actually exist? Is it called something specific? Thanks, Regina in L.A.

Re: [h-cost] What is my dummy wearing today?

2009-09-02 Thread Käthe Barrows
My dummy is wearing a Victorian corset, 1890's shirtwaist, 1893 petticoat. 1/2 finished bell skirt. Sorry no photos yet. Mine's wearing my Ren. Faire dress and hat, so I can keep decorating the hat and so maybe the wrinkles will hang out of the dress (I hate ironing). Mine has a head I made

Re: [h-cost] 19th century trowsers

2009-08-27 Thread Käthe Barrows
I think that's when fall-front trousers were finally going out of style. I read someplace that Brigham Young, the Mormon, was complaining about the new-fangled fly-front ones, and that would be about the right time period. I've read this list for years and now need some direction.  Can anyone

Re: [h-cost] hose with seams

2009-08-18 Thread Käthe Barrows
Check either the swing dancer places or the kinky places. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Marjorie Wilserthe3t...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know a source for hose, or even knee-highs, with back seams? A friend needs them for a historical presentation. Thanks! == Marjorie Wilser

Re: [h-cost] Venetian Carnevale Gown

2009-08-11 Thread Käthe Barrows
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Michael Hamilton mjhamilto...@gmail.comwrote: Hello All, I'm a newbie so I beg your patience No advice at the moment, except to remind you that everyone on this list was once a newbie. So you've probably come to the right place. -- Carolyn Kayta

Re: [h-cost] early 17th century stays and bodice

2009-08-09 Thread Käthe Barrows
Hi, I am going to do an early 17th century woman's middle class dress, location: Bohemia (today's Czech Republic, east of Germany if someone doesn't know), time: 1618-1648. I want it to look like this:

Re: [h-cost] Bowing to the inevitable

2009-08-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
I am aware that a lot of people love receiving little bits of info, I just generally find it insubstantial. And I know a lot of people love to socialize. I know a lot of people actually care what others are doing minute by minute. And I love technology, but this kind of thing is not for me. I

[h-cost] ric-rac work (was Re: The Peterson's magazines

2009-08-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
I've seen lots of ric-rac sewn together into garments or trim in the 1880s. I've seen at least two entire dresses made this way. I think it's totally silly, which makes me want enough white ric-rac to do something about it. There is a page of Rick-Rack Work! It's PERIOD! I only learned of

Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from?

2009-08-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
If you had to assign a time period what date would you give for this: http://www.butterick.com/item/B5405.htm?tab=costumespage=1 1940s? -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] Use of Buttons, was Regency Low stomacher

2009-08-03 Thread Käthe Barrows
I still say easier. Total beginners can buy accurate historical patterns and follow them and look great, even if they're not costume-research junkies like me. Take, for example, a good historical campfire cook. They've got historical cookbooks like I've got historical costume books. They know

Re: [h-cost] Use of Buttons, was Regency Low stomacher--long again

2009-08-02 Thread Käthe Barrows
However, my overall philosophy for making clothing for reenacting is, stick with what I have pretty good knowledge was really worn, rather than the maybes or the exceptions. It isn't a philosophy that I could argue with too strongly, as it certainly stops the fantasy input one can get, but I

Re: [h-cost] Use of Buttons, was Regency Low stomacher--long again

2009-08-02 Thread Käthe Barrows
My favourites, where they exist, tend to be the patterns in magazine of the time and from extant garments when you can get access to them, ie not the ones everyone has done. Yep. But much of my recreation started well before patterns (at the time) or before there were any kind of commercial

Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends

2009-07-27 Thread Käthe Barrows
For corsets I make I use really big grommets. So a knot in the end of whatever I'm using for lacing is fine, fits right through the holes. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from Greenberg

Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
Satin ribbon doesn't stay tied as well as grosgrain does. Twill tape is better. I use shoelaces - really long ones, but I use three laces for my corset - one for the couple of holes right at the waist, one for all the holes above it, and one for all the holes below it. It's the only way I know

Re: [h-cost] Lacing question

2009-07-25 Thread Käthe Barrows
I could also see narrow grosgrain ribbon, and I think that's what I'll look for to get me through this trip. And grosgrain ribbon stays tied, which poly-satin ribbon doesn't. You probably already know to cut the ends on a diagonal. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it

Re: [h-cost] Electric Edwardians

2009-07-10 Thread Käthe Barrows
My 1901 living history group watched several of these when they were on You-Tube. It's primary source material on walking in a long skirt in the periods when the film was shot. I recently bought a DVD of early film shorts titled Electric Edwardians, most made before 1910. -- Carolyn Kayta

Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion

2009-07-08 Thread Käthe Barrows
Besides, admit it - it was fun. The 60s were where I discovered ethnic garments and embroidery, thanks to Cost Plus and the Pier One that existed back then (not the Yuppie thing it turned into later). I got interested then, started researching, and here I am today - one of the few historical

Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Costume Re: 1960 hippie fashion

2009-07-08 Thread Käthe Barrows
Thanks. If you can't dazzle 'em with your brains, baffle 'em with embroidery. Very handsome it was, too. I wore one of these to CostumeCon this year, including lots of cross stitch. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson

Re: [h-cost] Dress Codes....was 1960 hippie fashion

2009-07-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
My Junior year, coats and ties were no longer required except for Sunday sit down dinner at one's advisor's table. But still no T-shirts to class! As recently as the 1980s women weren't allowed to wear t-shirts to class at my trade school. So I convinced them that a plain-colored

Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie

2009-07-07 Thread Käthe Barrows
I was at Randolph-Macon Woman's College in Lynchburg, Virginia from 1964-1966. major snippage This all sounds like what many people were doing when I was in High School in southern CA. then, except for the church and white gloves part. The Beach Boys, and the (male) surfer crowd in southern

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
the recent spate of Pre-Raphaelite painter calendars, yipes. I happen to like pre-Raphaelite and Gothic Revival Medieval costumes, for what they are rather than for what they aren't. I even have vague plans to make one, someday... -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
In Southern California (probably the rest of California too) long skirts came in with the Hippie look. Bonnie Parker's skirts were much straighter than ours, which were either tiered or gathered and very full. I remember these skirts when I was still in high school, before the film came out.

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
I wore a tie-dyed tee shirt, shorts, and sandals to Woodstock. So did a lot of other people. Oh yeah! Rent a copy of Woodstock and take notes. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion

2009-07-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
I remember freezing in skirts in the winter because we weren't allowed to wear pants. In a class where the teacher wore a sheepskin vest (nice and cozy) and kept the windows open for fresh air. Talk about a distraction! In Indiana in the mid-1950s we got to wear trousers under our skirts

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
I remember my older brother's Cool Girlfriend wearing long dresses when I was in 8th grade, in 1971. By the time I was in high school, a year later, the pattern companies were showing most of their teen oriented dresses in both mini and long lengths. I wore a granny dress to school in about

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
When my 25-year-old was still a junior in high school she came home from a thrift store with a pair of poly double-knit trousers, in the mandatory plaid, and tried to convince me they were cool. I offered to tell her what we thought of those when they were new, which ended the conversation. I

Re: [h-cost] 1960s fashions; was 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
But I'm curious if this fad was wide-spread during the late '60s at high schools in other parts of the country. San Diego,where I spent the 60s, gets12 inches of rain per year, on average. So no, we didn'tgetthatfad. I only just got a raincoat a couple of years ago, surplussed out from

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
the Mode-in books were considered very doubtful sources. All of them. That's Ruth Turner Wilcox, and The Mode In Costume was originally published in 1948. Interesting also, speaking of re-drawings, to compare any garment which appears both in Janet Arnold and Nancy Bradfield, and there are

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
She did violence to a number of Vecellio's images--I actually used Wilcox to make my very first Renaissance costume in high school and years later found out that the image I used was Vecellio's imperfect interpretation of the previous century re-drawn with improvements by Wilcox. Needless to

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
It was the preppy look which, I don't think, ever made its way to the west coast. It made it to San Diego, or at least a madras plaid version did. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
No. I was in CA, so I understand that the 60s probably hit the midwest later. Funny, though, that that was something that never occurred to me for a long time. I just assumed everyone everywhere was dressing ( and behaving) as we did in CA. The 60s hit San Diego a couple of years after

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
I guess my husband and I are just stuffy, but we do get tired of people (in general, not you specifically) trying to justify all sorts of modern things as having period antecedents, so why not use the modern thing. This Pillbox terminology thing just pushed all our buttons in that area, I

Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
Google on Garibaldi, then on garibaldi shirt. There are commercial patterns. On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 9:37 AM, purpl...@optonline.net wrote: I am thinking of branching out into early US Civil War, and I was told that 'the easist thing to make is the Garibaldi shirt'. However there were no

Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-04 Thread Käthe Barrows
Also, they were considered undergarments, just as men's shirts were were not worn alone. A Garibaldi waist was worn as an ensemble piece with either a Zouave or bolero jacket , or a Swiss bodice. I hadn't heard that, nor guessed it from the fashion plates I have seen with no jacket. --

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-03 Thread Käthe Barrows
If people want to call these amorphous blobbly things pillbox hats, fine; but it's driving us crazy, G. What part of it is driving you crazy - people calling this as-yet-nameless thing by a name they recognize, or the fact that you can't find the example you first saw? I do think that various

Re: [h-cost] Buillion braid for a tricorn hat

2009-06-22 Thread Käthe Barrows
Try a beading needle? They're pretty tiny. ...and while I'm on this milinery thing... is there a special needle or technique required for sewing real metal buillion braid The #8 needle I'm using leaves gigantic holes. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just

Re: [h-cost] Working class pattern

2009-06-19 Thread Käthe Barrows
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.netwrote: I agree with Karen. Though I think the general outlines of this outfit are correct, it looks like an idealized genre painting. I've seen some really well-dressed 19th century rural Eastern Europeans in photos, and

Re: [h-cost] No rings on middle finger (was Black beads

2009-06-19 Thread Käthe Barrows
As a side note, I was in a public place in San Francisco yesterday, and saw two men who obviously knew each other, each wearing plain band rings on their left middle fingers. I don't know if they were in San Francisco for our Pride event this Sunday, and it was some Gay usage I don't know about,

Re: [h-cost] Ribbon cockade for a tricorn hat

2009-06-19 Thread Käthe Barrows
There's a book, Dover I think, on ribbonwork. It was originally from the early 20s and will have a lot of hat things in it. (I'm not home right now or I'd look up the particulars.) On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Gentle readers, I've been looking thru Candace

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-17 Thread Käthe Barrows
The OLD Houses of Parliament were burnt-down in a catastrophic fire in the early 1840's - 1842, I think, - leaving only Westminster Hall from the older buildings. A.W.N. Pugin was the Architect who did most of the detail design for the new Houses of Parliament. Came across this same info in

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
First of all, it looks to be a later image, meaning a painting not done during her lifetime. Most likely this is a Victorian image or even more modern, I don't know for sure. I agree, Victorian or modern (1950s at a guess, from the style of face). In which case, all bets are off about

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Historically accurate or not, it looks like a good project to play around with, One the one hand, I'd go for not. On the other hand, I own a 1960s Romance novel in paperback, with a Renaissance dress on the cover that's so bad I'd like to recreate it on a doll. I spent twenty-five cents on

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
What a strange portrait. It looks like an amalgamation, or artist's re-imagining of something like these two gowns, with a bit of Flanders flair in the color and in the hat: As others have already said, I'd guess a much later date, more like early 20th century than Victorian, though. The

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Darn. I was hoping to find out where the portrait came from, when it was painted, and things like that. I was searching for images of doublets online. I came across Lady Jane Grey ones. Then I looked at them and found this one. It's online, that's all I know. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows --

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Don't judge the book by it's cover. I have read books about black haired heroines, which have a picture of a blonde heroine on the front. I didn't *judge* the book by its cover, I *bought* the book by it's cover, used, for twenty-five cents. I judged the book by its publication date (and by

Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Clear diamonds aren't as common before 1600 as they are after it. This may be due to supply or may be due to cutting technique, I don't know. But by the early-1700s they seem to be everywhere, in quantity, and sparkling like themselves. Mid-1600s too, IIRC. I stand corrected. Black diamonds

Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait

2009-06-16 Thread Käthe Barrows
Unless you plan on having the garment judged for its accuracy, enjoy yourself in your interpretation. At a place like CostumeCon there's a whole category called Interpretation, for different takes on historical garments. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just

Re: [h-cost] Need Ruff Making Adviceweight

2009-06-14 Thread Käthe Barrows
I just took a ruff workshop today, and was told NOT to use the selvedge edge because it makes the ruff hang oddly. Always works for me. But what do I know. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson --

Re: [h-cost] Need Ruff Making Advice

2009-06-13 Thread Käthe Barrows
My son and I are making an anime costume http://www.geocities.com/eyesofaclown/images/Perriot.JPG . Does anyone have advice on how to attach the ruffles to the band. The one in your image looks similar to cartridge pleating. To stiffen it, start with something already a little stiff and

Re: [h-cost] (no subject)

2009-06-10 Thread Käthe Barrows
I think these are reproductions out of Norris, Kohler or one of the books they copied from Those drawings aren't from Kohler, so it must be Norris or somebody else. I am interested in the pattern on the fabric which is reproduced up in the the left hand corner. I think that's the

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