Elena House wrote:
Assuming some influence from both sides of the merger, what would the
resulting mixed-race culture have worn, several hundred years in? If,
for example, there were a Vinlander GFD, what would it have looked
like? What would the men wear in cold weather? What kind of shoes
Right now, Canada is by far the biggest producer and exporter of flax,
We are? Wow, I wish it was sold *here*! Unless it's flax for oil and other
uses, and not fabric...
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Yeah, I rechecked my source, and apparently it's flax _for linseed
oil_ that y'all are the biggest producer/exporter of. I think you
should do something about that =}
-E House
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin
audreybmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Right now, Canada is by far
Last weekend I went to a kind of zoo with old breeds of domestic
animals that are not in use by the farming businesses anymore. They
also had Jacob sheep there and a sign at their meadow said that they
are very hardy animals. In fact, the Spanish Armada had a couple of
them on board for fresh
However, they used to have live chickens on ships before the invention of
refrigerators, so why not sheep as well?
By the 19th century ships might have chickens, goats and pigs, but not
cows (who are subject to seasickness, sometimes fatally). No idea
about the Armada sheep (the black Irish
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Behalf Of Chris Laning
On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:18 AM, cbellfl...@aol.com wrote:
I wonder whether bark-based fibers or pounded-bark cloth might have
been possibilities. If Native Americans
llama and alpaca
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The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them
(Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre
European conquest. Examples survive in museums. The Northwest Coast
natives also wove, but I don't know when they
made clothes
and blankets out of?
Tea Rose
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:02:26 -0400
From: Elena House exst...@gmail.com
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
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What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with?
Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe
wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when.
so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of?
The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya,
I _think_ the Skraelings wore animal skins; the Inuit the Norse met
did. There were bighorn sheep in the Rockies, but that's probably a
bit far for an early colony! So yeah, good point; without importing
some sheep or bringing in some flax seed (how easy is it to grow flax
from seed?) they would
Grass. They could weave grass. But don't count on it.
On 9/30/09 10:44 AM, Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com wrote:
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with?
Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe
wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't
2009/9/30 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them
(Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre
European conquest.
The Inca used llama, alpaca, and vicuña! A weaving industry started
to appear in the area around
Isn't that called Ramie?
Catherine R.
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From: Judy Mitchell judymi...@theoldforest.net
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Elena House wrote
Isn't that called Ramie?
Catherine R.
Different plant, but same type of fiber.
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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:18 AM, cbellfl...@aol.com wrote:
Isn't that called Ramie?
Ramie is in the nettle family, but a different species.
I wonder whether bark-based fibers or pounded-bark cloth might have
been possibilities. If Native Americans made cord (which I'm sure they
did) then
At 07:48 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote:
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with?
They didn't have sheep for wool, did they? And linen is an Old World
crop and cotton doesn't grow that far north, as far as I know. I am
completely ignorant of Native American costume from that
alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with?
Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe wove of
strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when.
so what would they have made clothes and blankets out
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote:
However, once they learned to weave from the Vikings, who knows what they
might have created? Look what the Navajo did once they got some sheep.
Right now, Canada is by far the biggest producer and exporter of flax,
so I bet
Whatever your conclusions--draw them up quickly send them in to the Future
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deadline is September 30 (postmark or email).
Ann in CT
still needs to mail out the 65 or so designs at my house; not all mine.ac
--- On Mon,
I can definitely see that typical colonial reaction of anything from
the homeland being better, but sheer scarcity would surely lead the
colonists to make use of what's around them. I'm also thinking,
though, about the many types of native clothing that European
frontiersmen adopted, and how
Everyone, please feel free to use this idea! I'd really love to see
what someone other than me is picturing. =}
-E House
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com wrote:
Whatever your conclusions--draw them up quickly send them in to the Future
Fashion Folio for
2009/9/29 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
And I was thinking how they would look by the 21st century.
[snip]
I'm aware of minor differences between modern dress (mostly having to
do with the level of formality people consider appropriate for
everyday things) but yeah, I'm picturing the modern
I'll be looking forward to seeing them. *grin*
Karen
Seamstrix
Fashion Folio Coordinator
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From: Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Date: Tue, 29
Assuming some influence from both sides of the merger, what would the
resulting mixed-race culture have worn, several hundred years in?
As stated, they'd probably look a lot like we do now, 2009 being
several hundred years in. How many years into the development did
you really want?
--
Well, I'm interested both in the modern day effects of a successful
Vinland colony, and--since it's my favorite clothing era--in 14thC and
15thC Vinland fashions! But I'll take anything I can get. =}
-E House
2009/9/29 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
Assuming some influence from both sides of
Well, I'm interested both in the modern day effects of a successful
Vinland colony, and--since it's my favorite clothing era--in 14thC and
15thC Vinland fashions! But I'll take anything I can get.
Hmm. Within a couple of centuries regular trade should have been
established. And fur would be
2009/9/29 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
Hmm. Within a couple of centuries regular trade should have been
established. And fur would be a major export to Europe.
I'm sure that the parts of Europe where it was forbidden to hunt deer
would have loved all that imported deerskin! Although maybe
Assuming some influence from both sides of the merger, what would the
resulting mixed-race culture have worn, several hundred years in? If,
for example, there were a Vinlander GFD, what would it have looked
like? What would the men wear in cold weather? What kind of shoes
would people
I've been wondering-- and maybe this is something that is obvious to others,
just that I've not really focused on Viking or Russian clothing.
I was looking at a Russian lacquer box showing a young woman and saw the lovely
dress (sarafan?) she wore and it hit me-- that's a Viking apron dress!
Is the sarafan a relative of the apron dress??
I don't think so. It has sides, and, in its recent configurations, it
has straps sewn right on. They're wide apart in front and close
together in back. And the garment doesn't seem to go back farther
than the 1600s (I tried researching one for SCA
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:50 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Is the sarafan a relative of the apron dress??
I don't think so. It has sides, and, in its recent configurations, it
has straps sewn right on. They're
On Monday 28 September 2009 3:50:13 pm Käthe Barrows wrote:
Is the sarafan a relative of the apron dress??
I don't think so. It has sides, and, in its recent configurations, it
has straps sewn right on. They're wide apart in front and close
together in back. And the garment doesn't seem to
I can definitely see that typical colonial reaction of anything from
the homeland being better, but sheer scarcity would surely lead the
colonists to make use of what's around them. I'm also thinking,
though, about the many types of native clothing that European
frontiersmen adopted, and how
Ok, here's a challenge for the list's imagination--maybe you can help
me out with a little thought experiment.
Let's say that the whole c1000 Vinland expedition thing resulted in a
viable colony; one that actually got along pretty well with the
indigenous people (Skraelings) yet stayed in contact
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