At 11:26 AM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
Or, if not, if there's a group that focuses on the Irish/Celtic/Welsh (I
think they are all different and distinct groups) history, language and
costuming, I'd also love to know about them, too.
Elena/Gia
I don't know about your area, but in my area we
I totally agree.
Since I am trieing to set up my own buisines in making fantasy and
gothic clothing and weddingdresses I don't have time to do much
research. And I quit the SCA and don't have reasons to wear my 16th
century stuf aneymore
I am now more in to 18th and 19th century clothing.
It
'Mary of Hungary gown' is 14th century isn't it?) and a whole lot of
educated guesswork or trial and error.
1520s.
The thing is when you know so much about an era you then start getting
pickier about other details, so it's not just a question of oh there's more
info so it's easier.
In later
Following on from what Jean said, what I find interesting is this.
(Background for anybody who doesn't re-enact in the UK...)
There are several American Civil War groups here, varying in size. There is
also a group portraying the Spanish Civil War.
Lots of British men fought in both of these
22, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: [h-cost] why renaissance and not 18th century?
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Gold rush it is§ :-)
I like silk the better!
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Gold rush?
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denmark we say
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I think that it depends on where in the US you are. We've got a big country
here. In the Eastern/Midwestern
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The American RenFaires are mostly very fluffy. Lots of flashy clothes,
stage magic, selling of pretty things, and not so much history.
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Yes the Renn thing is not
18th century for us is recent history. :) to get in touch with our roots,
we have to go back to the Old World.
arlys in oregon, where the first town was founded around 1860 or so
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:18:21 +0200 Bjarne og Leif Drews
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Sorry sorry folks, drinks on me!
] why renaissance and not 18th century?
Gold rush it is§ :-)
I like silk the better!
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Nah, to most Americans the 18th century is the remote past. As for
mythed up, you apparently weren't in my grade school American history
classes. True and false, we had the larger-than-life Founding Fathers
(even a few mothers), history told as stories. Washington and the
cherry tree.
I actually don't understand it either.
True, most of the current US was, in the 18th century, not a place for
silks and satins. But, as people are commenting, the SCA does all kinds
of eras and places remote from US history. So, why not have more groups
that do the fancy 18th century, even
Bjarne,
I'm on the 18cWoman list and we are interested and do talk about
fashion, as well as many other topics. If you hate it, then
unsubscribe.
Oh yes Karen,
I think you have a point there,
Things in a new country so far from civilisation 3 or 4months away
I give up!
Its just like
Personally, I play in the SCA because I can dress up alot...
What I'd prefer to do is to play dress up for several periods, and (I'm sorry)
for brevity let's just say from 1650 through 1900.
I love each of the different fashions that evolved and exploring each
development and their fabrics,
Bjarne, why not start your own discussion group about the 18th century,
focusing on clothes? I'll bet plenty of us here would love to join.
Michelle
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O yeah
Chris G.
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Bjarne, why not start your own discussion group about the 18th century,
focusing on clothes? I'll bet plenty of us here would love to join.
Michelle
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Nah, to most Americans the 18th century is the remote past. As for
mythed up, you apparently weren't in my grade school American history
classes.
Oh, yeah, I've had those, but it's not all fairies and magic dust,
bizarre speech patterns, and bosoms. And some of those
The bosoms are for a somewhat older crowd. . . .
Some medieval myths, such as King Arthur, probably have some roots in
real events. We just don't know for sure what those are.
But my point is, we _do_ have American historical myths and they have a
powerful effect on Americans. This may not
Here is another different take on the subject:
I think what periods of history that have been chosen by North Americans to
re-create have been heavily influenced by movies, popular fiction and
television. Take the SCA for example, one of the founding members is a very
popular Fantasy writer. Both
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
Sorry sorry folks, drinks on me!
I ment why so much renaissance fairs and renaissance reenactors and not
so many 18th century?
Aside from the fact that I don't know of any 18th century groups near me...
I just plain like the clothing from the 16th century
I don't think there is a firm dividing line between pop culture, and,
well, the rest of our culture. The Great Myths consist of a vast soup
of old historical stories; fairy tales; religious myths; cultural
dreams/goals; and modern novels, films, and TV shows. It's not like
late-night TV
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I don't think there is a firm dividing line between pop culture, and,
well, the rest of our culture.
Indeed.
But especially today, pop culture is disposable. Real culture endures.
And pop
Cynthia said,
Oh, yeah, I've had those, but it's not all fairies and magic dust,
bizarre speech patterns, and bosoms.
I've heard eough bizarre speech patterns at 18thC events, and there
are definitely bosoms! It seems like for both 18thC and Ren Faires,
many people want to show more bosom
.
Indeed.
But especially today, pop culture is disposable. Real culture endures.
The works of Homer and Shakespeare (if they were even single authors,
which is another issue entirely) were pop culture in their day. So was
most of what literature students earnestly study, at the time
Isn't that what PEERS does? I'm not on the west coast, but I thought
they had balls of various periods, beyond the eras when California
was well-populated.
Yes, but not every reenactment event is a ball. There are other things
people like to do. The Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild
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The works of Homer and Shakespeare (if they were even single authors,
which is another issue entirely) were pop culture in their day.
Yes yes yesbut so were a bunch of playwrights and poets,
I like so many different periods. I especially think the men look HOT in 18th
19th century clothes. What was that Hugh Jackman and Meg Ryan movie? YUM.
But for me, it's easier to sew the earlier period costumes.
Julie
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I just plain like the clothing from the
Julie wrote:
What was that Hugh Jackman and Meg Ryan movie? YUM.
Kate Leopold. I second the YUM.
-Helen/Aidan
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Isn't that what PEERS does? I'm not on the west coast, but I thought
they had balls of various periods, beyond the eras when California
was well-populated.
PEERS is a dance group with a costume addiction. grin PEERS doesnt
stick with history or California either. There have been Gilbert and
My town didn't have Washington sleep in it--but he did
have breakfast there once, or so I was told during the
Bicentennial (of the revolution). It's even possible,
as the town was between actual troup concentrations in
larger towns on either side, but don't ask me which;
possibly Wethersfield was
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There we disagree, because I think this is an artificial distinction. It's
I'd still rather read Pride and Prejudice or The Pickwick Papers than
the latest Diana Gabaldon novel.
Which I think brings back the point that we are too close to the
twentieth century yet to look at it objectively. Pickwick and Oliver
Twist were serial novels, hardly considered
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