[h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Kimiko, I'm very very sorry that you perceived my response as being jumped on, it certainly, absolutely wasn't meant personally. I apologize for my clumsy writing. Yours just happened to be the post that brought the subject up again, so it's the one I responded to... I probably should have just stiffled myself. I guess my husband and I are just stuffy, but we do get tired of people (in general, not you specifically) trying to justify all sorts of modern things as having period antecedents, so why not use the modern thing. This Pillbox terminology thing just pushed all our buttons in that area, I guess. So no, (thanks, Kathe) we weren't mad at anybody, just feeling a little frustrated and lonely that there seem to be so MANY people who seem to casually and unconcernedly confuse what I want to be so with what is usually accepted by those who may have been studying... (and we live in an area that is absolutely chock-a-block with them, which doesn't have a single thing to do with any of you on the list, but does contribute to our losing it occasionally). And yes, otsisto, I did notice McMasters' note about 22 pages of documentation -- but not enough to want to buy a pattern I'd never use other than to try to sort this out, G So I'll go away and lurk again, because I can't seem to talk tactfully enough not to cause upsets, no matter how hard I try. It's always happening, has done forever, it's me and not anyone else. chimene It's called a delete button. If you don't like a thread, delete it before you read it and move on. No reason to be snippy with what people are offering to questions, especially as I didn't even participate with the original conversation, offered something that in my own words *might* be a pillbox type hat (I have no idea if it is or isn't), and kept things brief. Kimiko who doesn't want to offer anything to anyone if I am going to be jumped for doing so by others. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Vogue Patterns offered the Rudi Gernrich dress in 1968. This was the high waisted dress, either mini or full-length. was an ikon in S.F. as I remember. It had the square neck, elastic under the bust, across the square neck and from bust to back at the sleeve. Sleeve was long and flowing. That dress should do for you. If I were going to your party, I'd probably wear a bra that was hidden; I didn't when I made the dress in 1968. And looked very far-out and hot. If you're talking about midi-skirts or -dresses, those came in aaround 1973 as I remember. I remember history by a) the music I was listening to as I sewed and b) the boyfriend I had at the time. And if your hair is long enough to wear in a pony tail, we wore clubs like Thomas Jefferson, not up higher on our heads like in the 1950s. Definitely with a middle part. LynnD On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I remember that dress - that was THE dress where I grew up. Either so short your personality showed, or so long it dragged on the ground if you weren't careful... Some girls wore the mini or a knee-length version over bellbottoms. Wow, man, flashbacks. Liadain Mercy I'm ollld You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... needleworks in progress- http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com freebie and pattern news- http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Vogue Patterns offered the Rudi Gernrich dress in 1968. This was the high waisted dress, either mini or full-length. was an ikon in S.F. as I remember. It had the square neck, elastic under the bust, across the square neck and from bust to back at the sleeve. Sleeve was long and flowing. That dress should do for you. If I were going to your party, I'd probably wear a bra that was hidden; I didn't when I made the dress in 1968. And looked very far-out and hot. If you're talking about midi-skirts or -dresses, those came in aaround 1973 as I remember. I remember history by a) the music I was listening to as I sewed and b) the boyfriend I had at the time. And if your hair is long enough to wear in a pony tail, we wore clubs like Thomas Jefferson, not up higher on our heads like in the 1950s. Definitely with a middle part. LynnD ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I guess my husband and I are just stuffy, but we do get tired of people (in general, not you specifically) trying to justify all sorts of modern things as having period antecedents, so why not use the modern thing. This Pillbox terminology thing just pushed all our buttons in that area, I guess. Whatever this head-covering is really called, I think members of this list found several examples of it and several others that looked similar but weren't really it. Head-coverings of roughly pillbox shape go back at least to the mid-1860s, and are associated with Garibaldi, the Liberator of Italy - he wore them, and the so-called Garibaldi blouse, and many women began wearing versions of them. And they're very popular at Ren. Faires where, lacking their proper name, they get called pillboxes. So no, (thanks, Kathe) we weren't mad at anybody, just feeling a little frustrated and lonely that there seem to be so MANY people who seem to casually and unconcernedly confuse what I want to be so with what is usually accepted by those who may have been studying... (and we live in an area that is absolutely chock-a-block with them, which doesn't have a single thing to do with any of you on the list, but does contribute to our losing it occasionally). I get that way with the historical ships where I volunteer, and folks who think anything with three masts must necessarily be a pirate ship. I write it off as ignorance, do what I can to correct the problem (I try for tact), and wait relatively patiently for that one visitor in perhaps 50 who really cares. So I'll go away and lurk again, because I can't seem to talk tactfully enough not to cause upsets, no matter how hard I try. I feel that way every time I stick my foot in it on this, or any other, list. I get over it after a while, and keep on going. It's always happening, has done forever, it's me and not anyone else. What I'm saying is it isn't always you, and you certainly don't do it every time. It's a people thing. So go away for a while if you want, just don't try not to take this unfortunate choice of words as a personal failure. It happens. (Ghod knows it happens to me.) -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
So I'll go away and lurk again, because I can't seem to talk tactfully enough not to cause upsets, no matter how hard I try. It's always happening, has done forever, it's me and not anyone else. chimene I think it's called email - We are such visual folks, if we can't see the face body language, it messes us up, and, people being what we are, we feel attacked. Patty ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Wow, man, flashbacks. Liadain Mercy I'm ollld No, no, no... so col. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Oh, fess up; how many of you thought you'd live to see 2000, much less 2010? And where's my flying car; gosh darn it!?!? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Wow, man, flashbacks. Liadain Mercy I'm ollld No, no, no... so col. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] H-cos 223 Aylwen
Hi, CGW Director-at-Large, here. I can't actually guarantee a ticket to the Gala. I can tell you there are ALWAYS tickets for sale at the event. The message board at Info/Registration will have them. As for the Limited classes, registration was classed a while back, but there are dozens of unlimited classes that pertain to your specialty, especially as the bonus track is 18th century and Victorian is an on-going favourite. Even the limited classes often have an unlimited class on the same topic, as a lecture or demo. For instance, a friend of mine missed the sign up for the Limited Bias Gown class, to make a bias-cut skirt, but will attend the lecture class by the same teacher. We do hope to see you. I am working on a meet-up for H-Cost folks during CoCo. Ever, Regina in L.A. * Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:42:00 +1000 From: Aylwen Garden aylwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to get ticket for Gala Ball To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: dc9a147d0907031542w45757346o4ad8d78160643...@mail.gmail.com** Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks. Before paying $2000 for airline tickets I needed to know there is something to attend, and as a dancer would be sad to miss a ball. Going that far with a 'hope' seems silly. Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au , Australia* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Oh gawd!! I still have the patterns I used back then! I even have 2 of my favorite bell bottoms!! Who would have thought that the clothes I wore everyday would become an historical costume, for pete's sake!! Anne On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I am thinking of branching out into early US Civil War, and I was told that 'the easist thing to make is the Garibaldi shirt'. However there were no examples around for anyone to show me. And no reference book/website for them to point me to. Can you please share a pic / web site / pattern with me so I can start creating a prototype Civil War outfit. I am aiming for a country widowed woman, spinner, middle class, if that helps. Katheryne - Original Message - SNIPPAGE Head-coverings of roughly pillbox shape go back at least to the mid-1860s, and are associated with Garibaldi, the Liberator of Italy - he wore them, and the so-called Garibaldi blouse, and many women began wearing versions of them. Carolyn Kayta Barrows ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Ah, what fun. I know by the early 70s I had several long dresses for casual wear, but when did the trend start? Well, here are two factoids that might help: In the late 60s Laura Ashley introduced daywear that had a longer length. (see any history of Laura Ashley, wikipedia will do) And my favorite kind of evidence--mention in contemporary literature: In 1968 the popular writer Barbara Michaels published Ammie, Come Home a ghost story set in Georgetown, MD. The key thing here is that early in the book the protagonist goes shopping with her trendy niece and is talked into buying one of those new maxi skirts. (BTW remember that the first maxis were mid-calf length. Later the term was applied to ankle-length as well.) - Hope On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Google on Garibaldi, then on garibaldi shirt. There are commercial patterns. On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 9:37 AM, purpl...@optonline.net wrote: I am thinking of branching out into early US Civil War, and I was told that 'the easist thing to make is the Garibaldi shirt'. However there were no examples around for anyone to show me. And no reference book/website for them to point me to. Can you please share a pic / web site / pattern with me so I can start creating a prototype Civil War outfit. I am aiming for a country widowed woman, spinner, middle class, if that helps. Katheryne - Original Message - SNIPPAGE Head-coverings of roughly pillbox shape go back at least to the mid-1860s, and are associated with Garibaldi, the Liberator of Italy - he wore them, and the so-called Garibaldi blouse, and many women began wearing versions of them. Carolyn Kayta Barrows ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I remember my older brother's Cool Girlfriend wearing long dresses when I was in 8th grade, in 1971. By the time I was in high school, a year later, the pattern companies were showing most of their teen oriented dresses in both mini and long lengths. And then there were the long skirts made by splitting a pair of jeans and adding wedges of fabric to the front and back. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Umm.. isn't that what historical costume is? Naturally you don't really expect it to happen in your life time, but the rate of change for Fashion does seem to be increasing... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Anne Moeller Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:30 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Oh gawd!! I still have the patterns I used back then! I even have 2 of my favorite bell bottoms!! Who would have thought that the clothes I wore everyday would become an historical costume, for pete's sake!! Anne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? What I remember is that, when I was in grade school (up through '69/'70) we were specifically prohibited from wearing granny gowns to school, i.e., floor-length peasanty style dresses. The prohibition means, of course, that they must have been popular and fashionable at the time. (As I recall it, the prohibition was more or less defined by length, but the specific popular style that made it necessary was the one nicknamed granny gowns. I think they were sort of proto-Laura Ashley type dresses.) Heather Jones (b. 1958, so a middling-to-late boomer) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Heh. Thanks, at least my grandkids think so! ;-) Of course nowadays you can't walk through any clothing store without seeing something on the racks that I already wore 40!!! years ago, so Granny's wardrobe is pretty kewl. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... needleworks in progress- http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com freebie and pattern news- http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Wow, man, flashbacks. Liadain Mercy I'm ollld No, no, no... so col. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Sometimes what someone tells us is not the best information. :-) The 'classic' women's Garibaldi shirt c.1860-1865 was made from lightweight red wool flannel embroidered in black in scroll patterns. It is cut very full and gathered into a waistband (worn over the waistband of the skirt), with very full sleeves gathered into a cuff, and a small standing collar. Variations of the style included other fabrics - white wool flannel, fine white cotton - but all with the same cut and scroll trim. Garibaldi shirts were high fashion, worn by younger women or VERY fashionable older women, for informal occasions: walks, picnics, boating, at recreational activities. The style is likely one of the LAST that would have been worn by a country widowed woman, spinner, middle class. Although it is simpler in cut and can be easier to fit than other 1860s styles, anyone with a modicum of sewing skills and intellect (can thread a needle and use a pencil) can learn to produce an 1860s garment that would be much more appropriate for this impression. There are dozens of general costume histories that discuss Garibaldi shirts and literally thousands of original images on websites across the country. An Internet search on the term will lead you to many examples. Just be cautious and check the source of the Internet postings. Look for primary sources (Google books) and images identified by reliable institutions and sources. Although I was one once, tread cautiously with the information posted on various reenacting sites. Some of it is very good; unfortunately much of it is best described as myth and misinformation. Regards, Carolann Schmitt www.genteelarts.com Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 4-7, 2010 -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of purpl...@optonline.net Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought I am thinking of branching out into early US Civil War, and I was told that 'the easist thing to make is the Garibaldi shirt'. However there were no examples around for anyone to show me. And no reference book/website for them to point me to. Can you please share a pic / web site / pattern with me so I can start creating a prototype Civil War outfit. I am aiming for a country widowed woman, spinner, middle class, if that helps. Katheryne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
This is not directly an answer to your question, but it is the sort of thing I would appreciate hearing about before I made something - take it or leave it as you choose. I am not a Civil War reenactor, so I do not know how to evaluate this source, but I have a special edition of The Citizen's Companion - the Voice of Civilian Reenacting August 2006, article Creating the Proper Impression by Karen Crocker, who says that the Garibaldi style waists were the latest in youthful sportswear in the mid-19th century. A survey of period photographs shows that, with few exceptions, they were mostly worn by young ladies... Also, they were considered undergarments, just as men's shirts were were not worn alone. A Garibaldi waist was worn as an ensemble piece with either a Zouave or bolero jacket , or a Swiss bodice. She suggests that it is more appropriate to get one correct dress and change it to your needs. For example, an apron can be worn for camp use and a nice collar substituted when a trip to market (sutler's row) is necessary. Patty From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of purpl...@optonline.net [purpl...@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought I am thinking of branching out into early US Civil War, and I was told that 'the easist thing to make is the Garibaldi shirt'. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
The article in the August 2006 edition of The Citizen's Companion is a reprint of an article Karen Crocker originally researched over a dozen years ago. Karen will readily agree continuing research indicates there are portions of that article that are not quite correct. Karen's comments regarding Garibaldis as a garment worn by young ladies is still correct. There is documentation (photographs, primary written sources) of a few mature women wearing the ensemble, however these are VERY fashionable women following the latest style. Continuing research indicates this comment: Also, they were considered undergarments, just as men's shirts were were not worn alone. A Garibaldi waist was worn as an ensemble piece with either a Zouave or bolero jacket , or a Swiss bodice is not correct. Original images of true Garibaldi shirts - colored wool, black braid trim - show them being worn without a jacket. I have several in my files and have examined dozens more. However, a fine white body or waist, similar in cut to a Garibaldi shirt but made from fine white cotton, was frequently worn with a jacket of some style. These white bodies were also worn without a jacket, frequently with a shaped belt, e.g. a Medici waist or Swiss belt (not Swiss bodice as listed in the article). Neither Garibaldi shirts nor white bodies were considered undergarments. Karen's suggest on getting an appropriate one-piece dress and accessorizing it for your needs is still very applicable and very good advice. Regards, Carolann Schmitt www.genteelarts.com Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 4-7, 2010 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Given Barbara Michaels' interest in vintage clothing and textiles?(Shattered Silk), I think she'd get a kick out of knowing that one of her books was cited on this list! Nancy Message: 6 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:44:14 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg hope.greenb...@uvm.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 4a4f86de.1080...@uvm.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ah, what fun. I know by the early 70s I had several long dresses for casual wear, but when did the trend start? Well, here are two factoids that might help: In the late 60s Laura Ashley introduced daywear that had a longer length. (see any history of Laura Ashley, wikipedia will do) And my favorite kind of evidence--mention in contemporary literature: In 1968 the popular writer Barbara Michaels published Ammie, Come Home a ghost story set in Georgetown, MD. The key thing here is that early in the book the protagonist goes shopping with her trendy niece and is talked into buying one of those new maxi skirts. (BTW remember that the first maxis were mid-calf length. Later the term was applied to ankle-length as well.) - Hope ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I remember that we were not allowed to wear long skirts to high school in the year 1968-69. A friend of mine wore one and was called into the Principal's office and told, Do not wear that skirt to school again. The next day she wore another long skirt to school. Again she was called into the Principal's office and he said, I thought I told you not to wear that skirt to school again? My friend replied, That one was blue. This one is green. Shortly after that incident, we were allowed to wear both long skirts AND pants to school. Maxi skirts came out when I was a junior, 1970-71. We all thought they were hideous. On a related note, the skirt to wear was an embroidered Mexican shirt, with a square neck and gathered sleeves. Or a loose, long sleeved gauze blouse, with flaring sleeves. Don't forget your ankle bracelet with little bells, macramé barefoot sandals and peace sign necklace! Sounds fun! Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I went to high school before the hippie craze hit, so no one even thought of wearing either long skirts or pants. Girls were still trying to dress like the perfect little woman with girdles, heels and stockings, although we only went that far for special occasions, not to school, but you get the picture. Re jewelry, I still have my peace sign earrings and my necklace ankh. As for shoes, the big thing, when I was at Berkeley, was to get grecian sandals handmade by a local crafter, which I did and sure wish I still had those. The only dress I saved from the 60s was my red crocheted one, which I did wear once to a 60s theme event, but it is short and I would have to wear it with tights, which in the summer, would be too warm. I found some flat shoes that were just like the ones I wore originally and since I worked in a costume shop at the time, found a long hairpiece that matched my hair so I was able to get a real vintage hairstyle going. I really had one of the 60s looks going on there, but not the hippie one. More like the British mod look. I kind of alternated between the 2 styles when I was young. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I remember that we were not allowed to wear long skirts to high school in the year 1968-69. A friend of mine wore one and was called into the Principal's office and told, Do not wear that skirt to school again. The next day she wore another long skirt to school. Again she was called into the Principal's office and he said, I thought I told you not to wear that skirt to school again? My friend replied, That one was blue. This one is green. Shortly after that incident, we were allowed to wear both long skirts AND pants to school. Maxi skirts came out when I was a junior, 1970-71. We all thought they were hideous. On a related note, the skirt to wear was an embroidered Mexican shirt, with a square neck and gathered sleeves. Or a loose, long sleeved gauze blouse, with flaring sleeves. Don't forget your ankle bracelet with little bells, macramé barefoot sandals and peace sign necklace! Sounds fun! Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
In a message dated 7/4/2009 1:29:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, be...@softwareinnovation.com writes: but the rate of change for Fashion does seem to be increasing... Y'know, it seems that way, but it's not. Little things change pretty regularly. When you start studying things in more and more detail this comes out. Even 18th century fashions have changed noticeably every 10 years or so. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323013x1201367230/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
In a message dated 7/4/2009 5:41:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sha...@collierfam.com writes: I remember that we were not allowed to wear long skirts to high school in the year 1968-69. ** Isn't that dumb? They were probably telling girls not to wear short skirts 3 years before. Why shouldn't you wear a long skirt? Didn't they want to see your legs? Or did Commies just wear long skirts? Stupid rules just for authoritarian sake. Down with the MAN, man! As far a long hippy fashions are concerned, a long flowing tie-dyed velour moo-moo seems in order. Don't forget the love beads and frizzy hair tied in a psychedelic head band. Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. --Oscar Wilde **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323013x1201367230/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I had asked Lynn McMasters and she says that it is based off an Italian portrait. http://lynnmcmasters.com/LadyM.html in color and a wee bit larger. http://tinyurl.com/yt6hg9 Now it could be something like this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Angelo_Bronzino_002.jpg with a caul but it is hard to tell. The Mode in Hats and headdresses might also be of help. Wilcox has a few pillbox drawings from this period. Usually you can find a matching portrait to her drawings if you look around. I have seem many 18C matches in my Turban research. You can see all her drawings from that book on line. http://gallery.villagehatshop.com/gallery/chapter9 She does use different names for what is basically the same thing; Pillbox, Calotte (cap) and velvet bonnet. Maybe that is what people are having trouble with. Lynn De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I lived in Ann Arbor, Michigan, from 1963 to 1976. As I remember it, skirts got progressively shorter from 1966 to 1969 but the local culture still didn't accept trousers on women. IIRC, the first pantsuits for women were greeted with derision on this side of the Atlantic. Anyhoo, I *loathed* mini-skirts with a deep, abiding passion so I made my first maxi skirt (without a pattern) in 1968/1969, specifically to wear to school (9th grade). It was ankle- length, and I'm proud to say that I was one of the first to wear one in my social circle g. By the time I graduated in 1972, we were all routinely wearing those long dresses with the elastic under the bust (as mentioned by another list-member)--made in wild floral prints and using commercial patterns--when we weren't wearing jeans. While other fashions had been banned at various times, the Ann Arbor schools never bothered to target granny dresses. I do remember that it was a challenge to keep bra straps hidden under those wide necklines! So when I went to college I just stopped wearing the bras By 1974, I had given up wearing skirts entirely and bought pantsuits instead for occasions that called for something nicer than jeans. Anybody wanna talk about pantsuits?? Suzanne [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] On Jul 4, 2009, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: Hope Greenberg hope.greenb...@uvm.edu Date: July 4, 2009 11:44:14 AM CDT To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Ah, what fun. I know by the early 70s I had several long dresses for casual wear, but when did the trend start? Well, here are two factoids that might help: In the late 60s Laura Ashley introduced daywear that had a longer length. (see any history of Laura Ashley, wikipedia will do) And my favorite kind of evidence--mention in contemporary literature: In 1968 the popular writer Barbara Michaels published Ammie, Come Home a ghost story set in Georgetown, MD. The key thing here is that early in the book the protagonist goes shopping with her trendy niece and is talked into buying one of those new maxi skirts. (BTW remember that the first maxis were mid-calf length. Later the term was applied to ankle-length as well.) - Hope On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
In a message dated 7/4/2009 7:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sovag...@cybermesa.com writes: [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] Oh, absolutely. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
What do you mean by that? I definitely experienced the 60s in the 60s. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2009 7:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sovag...@cybermesa.com writes: [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] Oh, absolutely. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Oh, many styles and events that people remember as 1960s are actually 1970s. I think the most memorable event may be the National Guard/Kent State incident, which was actually in the spring of 1970. Right off the top of my head, clothing-wise, I'm thinking of polyester double knits, and men's super wide ties and wild plaid jackets with patch pockets, and leisure suits. I have the Simplicity Sewing for Men and Boys, copyright 1973, that has wonderful examples. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I figure that what we think of as The Sixties started about 1964 (when the Beatles arrived) and went to about 1976 or so. It all depends on what your markers are, but mere calendar dates don't work. Trends and whatever don't start and stop neatly just because the decade changes. Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: What do you mean by that? I definitely experienced the 60s in the 60s. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2009 7:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sovag...@cybermesa.com writes: [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] Oh, absolutely. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
As I am brand new to this time period, do I just google Civil War dress, or 1860, or what? Katheryne - Original Message - From: Carolann Schmitt Karen's suggest on getting an appropriate one-piece dress and accessorizingit for your needs is still very applicable and very good advice. Regards, Carolann Schmitt www.genteelarts.com Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 4-7, 2010 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R I had a couple of the long dresses in the late 1960s while i was in high school - i graduated in the spring of 1967. My family lived in the suburbs of Chicago. They were sometimes called granny dresses. One had a high standing collar and short puffy sleeves, a high waist, and a skirt that was ankle length and was not very full. It was made of red cotton with a small all-over print in black, of a sort Americans call calico. I got my granny dresses in 1965. Here's a photo of one (not mine) http://www.flickr.com/photos/37511...@n06/3524944584/ I was at an all-girls boarding school in northern Illinois. We did not wear uniforms except for certain school functions. We wore our normal clothes to classes. I wore a granny dress to class and got in trouble (i wasn't the only girl with them, but i was much more likely than any other to push the boundaries - i was in student court for something nearly every week). After some wrangling, we were given permission to wear them to dinner. After that many girls showed up in them to dinner. When the first Human Be-In was held (spring of 67), they occurred more or less simultaneously in several cities. I went to the one in Chicago in ?Grant Park?... i was even on TV (although not my face - but i recognized my dress) I was wearing an ankle length violet cotton dress with a somewhat scoop neck and a high waist. The sleeves were narrow on the upper arm and just above the elbow the lower sleeve was sewn in - it was fairly full. ISTR that the upper sleeve was pin-tucked and the front of the bodice may have been, as well. While the skirt was long, it was not particularly full. By the fall of 67 i was living in NYC. I had a dress of that new-fangled polyester knit with a swirly very Pucci-like pattern in black and white and turquoise and cobalt and purple. It was long and the skirt was a bit fuller than the other long dresses i've mentioned. It had a deeper scoop neck and wrist length fairly narrow sleeves. IIRC, it had center front and back seams as well as side seams. The front was somewhat fitted - it may have had bust darts, i don't remember. I used to wear it to clubs. One, the Electric Circus, would let a bunch of us in for free early, before it opened, so the Bridge and Tunnel crowd, coming from New Jersey or New York suburbs would find the hippies were already there. The Grateful Dead even played there at least once - i was there... Of course, by the spring of 1967 i had a nice selection of mini-dresses, most from Paraphernalia, a very hip fashion boutique. These were generally mid-thigh length with long sleeves of various interesting shapes. Some were puffed at the sleeve cap, with a somewhat tight fitting band around the middle of the upper arm, then belling from there to a bit above the wrist. So to my recollection, you have a choice: mini-dress with long sleeves, or long but not loose dress. I have noticed that many of the items of clothing being called 60s or hippie in retro revival fashion are either more 70s and disco or they are 60s, but actually mod - and more European fashion than hippie. Anahita ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Also, they were considered undergarments, just as men's shirts were were not worn alone. A Garibaldi waist was worn as an ensemble piece with either a Zouave or bolero jacket , or a Swiss bodice. I hadn't heard that, nor guessed it from the fashion plates I have seen with no jacket. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
This conversation came to mind tonight while watching fireworks. Many young adult women were wearing tie-dyed maxi skirts. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
