Re: [h-cost] Name of a hat?
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Eleanor, the Countess of Leicester, sister of Henry III and definitely a Plantagenet, wears one on her seal. The seal also has the stylized planta genet (a sort of viney thing with a pod on the end), It's not a vine, it's the broom plant (genista in Latin), a shrub with yellow pea-like flowers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Name of a hat?
Greetings-- Kate M Bunting wrote: Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: It's not a vine, it's the broom plant (genista in Latin), a shrub with yellow pea-like flowers. I knew it was a real plant...just couldn't remember which one and the corresponding Latin--thanks! Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007
At 11:11 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: When thinking realistic, what do you think you will finish of historical costumes in 2007? I am planning to finish the blue velvet pearled-and-spangled Elizabethan, a Spanish 16th century doublet gown, and several tunics and linen undergarments for Pennsic. Realistically, this is what I believe I can accomplish. Anything else, of course, is just an extra treat! Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007
When thinking realistic, what do you think you will finish of historical costumes in 2007? I hope to finish a new outfit for Ansel to wear at Bristol this summer. Which brings up another subject. I know some of you on the list attend the Bristol Faire. Ansel has brought last summer's outfit home and has requested some changes/adjustments be made. If anybody remembers him from the summer - any suggestions for improvements? I know the crotch length needs to be longer since he ripped out all the lacing and was forced to resort to suspenders to keep the slops up. And the doublet needs to fit better across the back. The codpiece seems to be fine, since it got some sort of award for best male accessory All of these changes need to be accomplished before he leaves for York, England to study for the next 6 months. He should arrive back just in time to start Faire again - so once again he will not be available for fittings!! Any suggestions will be appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[H-cost] French translation for Bjarne
Bjarne, In effect, they're apologising for the delay, but one of the books you ordered has not yet been supplied to them by the publisher, and they beg you to be patient for a few more days. They will let you know by e-mail when they can fulfil your order. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Victorian wedding clothes
Michaela wrote: I thought that too, however in my most recent research project covering the elliptical hoop though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of wedding dresses were in the evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage anyway. I found it's usually respectable middle class that wears day dress (and probably working class too as I suspect there wasn't much opportunity to go to the opera or the odd ball) and the aristocracy could wear off the shoulder and the like. I was mostly looking at 1870s and 1880s there. Most of the brides on the Musee McCorde site are wearing clothing to the neck. Thanks, Sunny and Michaela. Perhaps the Dracula bride was OK then, but the Nickleby wedding was middle-class and early Victorian. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] re: The other Boleyn girl
Warnicke's biog has some theories I disagree with: Anne was the eldest, not Mary, brother George was possibly gay and the premature son Anne miscarried was probably malformed(therefore in those days deemed a monster)and Anne's fault(its always the woman's fault!)which led Henry to believe she was a witch. Warnicke, however, does give a convincing argument for the traditional 1507 birthdate for Anne, although that would make Mary very, very young to have an affair with Henry. Most historians nowdays think Anne was born between 1500-1502. My own theory is that Anne was probably born in 1507 and went first to the Burgundian court at age 6 or 7. Warnicke points out that another of Henry's courtier's sent his daughter Jane to the Burgundian court at the same age. The regent Marguerite had English blood through her descent from Edward IV's sister.Henry VIII's younger sister, Mary, was originally engaged to Marguerite's nephew(?), so it could be that Mary Boleyn would have been a lady-in-waiting or maid of honor to Mary Tudor, a higher position than just being in the household of Marguerite. When the Burgundian marriage plans/treaty failed, Mary Tudor was made the bride of Louis, King of France, and Mary was in her household that traveled to France. Sir Thomas Boleyn swiftly removed Anne from Burgundy and secured her a place in the French royal household. However, the whole Anne as a scheming Monica Lewinsky and Henry as a besotted Bill Clinton(it is glaringly obvious in the novel)was Gregory's take. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dor Mous Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: The other Boleyn girl That's the problem for me.They make out Philippa Gregory practically IS a historian now and a lot of people believe the hype. The novel was based on the highly controversial work of real historian, Retha Warnicke, whose crackpot theories have been lambasted many times. All the factual inaccuracies were Ms Gregory's, and there are plenty: basic facts, English culture, clothing etc. Even Mary Boleyn's not knowing how to make cook or make cheese was all wrong. Running a household was standard training for any English gentlewoman in the 16th century, even social climbers like the Boleyns. The distant, 'not getting her hands dirty' lady was a development of later ages, and Tudor ladies knew how to do everything, even when they could afford to pay someone else to do it. I understand that this is a film, based on a work of fiction. I'm happy that some changes will be made to cover dramatic license and furthering the story. This applies to costume too so I'm happy with some costume inaccuracy. But these costumes are just ugly. The French hood fronts are too small. Plain unflattering to both lead actresses. 'Anne of the Thousand Days', for all its many factual and costume inaccuracies, at least did Genevieve Bujold the courtesy of costuming her elegantly, and her inaccurate French hood fronts suited her. Never mind the dresses, I'm not sure I can bear a whole film watching Nathalie Portman and Scarlett Johannson with those things on their heads. I don't think it will have the comedy value of 'Shakespeare in Love' or the fine performances of 'Elizabeth', two other glaringly inaccurate but fairly enjoyable films. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:26:50 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: The other Boleyn girl To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I read the book too, but it did not make me crazy. It is so easy to make a mistake about clothing when you are a writer with little or no background in clothing history. I pretty much ignore that stuff. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
In a message dated 1/4/2007 1:01:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.) I thought that too, however in my most recent research project covering the elliptical hoop though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of wedding dresses were in the evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage anyway. -sunny ** Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007
When thinking realistic, what do you think you will finish of historical costumes in 2007? I hope to finish that $# Empire Gown. I finished it once, only to find that the blue border I chose to offset the off-white ground of the bodice piece was a little too overwhelming, and made the bodice front look rather like the black bars seen on TV covering up the naughty bits. Not quite the effect for which I was aiming... Argh... Then, dare I speak of another project before this one is done, when my second book is published, I may tackle a dress that is circa 1775--this time with a pattern someone else made (I need a break from making my own for a moment). But, on the other hand, as that book is only *half* historical, I may not... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
In a message dated 1/4/2007 11:29:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. * I didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it doesforgive me. But it does make me think Where might the bride be going after the wedding? To the train station to commence the honeymoon? To a big whoop-de-do dinner after the ceremony? How might that affect things? It's not 'til like the 1830's that special wedding dresses come into play in the 1st place, isn't it? Remember in Age of Innocence [1870's] it was expected that May should again wear her wedding dress at least once in the 1st year of marriage. She wears it to the opera, so it was no day dress. For Nicholas Nickleby the idea of a sleeveless dress for any occasion at all is strange. Was this the film that came out a couple of years ago. That thing had some of the worst, laziest costuming I've ever seen! The 8 hour stage production on film from the 1980's has much superior costumes. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [H-cost] French translation for Bjarne
Dear Kate, Million thanks for your great help. I feared it might be they couldnt get it after all, but it surely is worth waiting for. Its the book about Marie Antoinettes wardrobe. Many many thanks Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [H-cost] French translation for Bjarne Bjarne, In effect, they're apologising for the delay, but one of the books you ordered has not yet been supplied to them by the publisher, and they beg you to be patient for a few more days. They will let you know by e-mail when they can fulfil your order. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
Dear Helen/Aiden, I also received my disc, just before New Year's. I haven't had the time to check it out yet, but I've brought it to work to view at lunch. Thank you very much! LynnD On 1/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helen/Aidan, I happily received the CD-ROM just after Christmas! Thank you for the disc! Happy Happy dance... Elena/Gia -- Original message -- From: Helen Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] The catalogue is gone, but if you send me your mailing address, I'll send you a CD-Rom of the scans of all the pages. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Voncile W. Dudley To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin I'm late checking my email. I would love to have any books that needs a good home especially garments from the 15th century up. Lady Von Hope I am not to late! - Original Message - From: Helen Pinto To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin In the process of (finally) unpacking my books, I've been finding things that could use a home other than mine. I have a Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin from back in the days when they sent members these glossy books every quarter. It's from the costume collection and contains large, high-quality pictures of garments from 1695 through the early 1950's, including microphotographs of some of the embroidered detail of the garments. It's nice to look at, but way past anything I'm really interested in. So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone fancies, and the whole thing can belong to the first person who asks for it. (You have two weeks to ask for the pictures, then I'll mail it.) The highlights: - Complete embroidered woman's dress from 1695 - Four men's 18th c embroidered coats, one uncut, one with original embroidery cartoon, one with pants and vest - Men's banyans - Assorted women's 18c dresses, one with panniers, most sack-backed, all embroidered or hand-painted, 1740's - 1795 - Assorted women's 19c outfits, day dresses, evening wear, several from each decade - Assorted women's 20c outfits, evening wear, suits, etc, up to the 50's -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film
I found it's usually respectable middle class that wears day dress (and probably working class too as I suspect there wasn't much opportunity to go to the opera or the odd ball) and the aristocracy could wear off the shoulder and the like. I was mostly looking at 1870s and 1880s there. Most of the brides on the Musee McCorde site are wearing clothing to the neck. I agree that all the instances of evening-style wedding dresses are decidedly upper class - though not just the aristocracy, as there is an extant example from Chicago (or Cincinnati -- one of the Midwestern cities that starts with a C...). I suppose my argument depends on a very narrow definition of aristocracy to mean those whose families are lords - when you start talking about the American aristocracy it becomes impossible (imho) to differentiate the aristocracy from the upper class. None of the fashion plates show the lower necked style for weddings (though there are rather more open necks for day wear.) Actually I found at least one fashion plate that showed an evening-style wedding dress. It's from Le Monde Elegant, the September, 1870 issue. (Shown in Vyvyan Holland's _Hand Coloured Fashion Plates 1770 to 1899_, pg. 126). I've been surprised by how many fashion plates and extant wedding dresses fall into the dinner dress style with an open V or rectangular neckline - very similar to the day dresses, but day dresses and visiting dresses rarely seem to have an open neckline. -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
I often wondered the same thing. My dad is the curator of a very small south texas town museum. There are a few victorian wedding dresses in there and they are not of the same design. I took pictures but the glass they have on there is very reflective and they did not come out well. My favorite has a tulle that is beaded over laying the dress ... it is just beautiful. I will throw up the pictures if anyone wants to see them. Just let me know. Chiara On Thu, January 4, 2007 10:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In a message dated 1/4/2007 11:29:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. * I didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it doesforgive me. But it does make me think Where might the bride be going after the wedding? To the train station to commence the honeymoon? To a big whoop-de-do dinner after the ceremony? How might that affect things? It's not 'til like the 1830's that special wedding dresses come into play in the 1st place, isn't it? Remember in Age of Innocence [1870's] it was expected that May should again wear her wedding dress at least once in the 1st year of marriage. She wears it to the opera, so it was no day dress. For Nicholas Nickleby the idea of a sleeveless dress for any occasion at all is strange. Was this the film that came out a couple of years ago. That thing had some of the worst, laziest costuming I've ever seen! The 8 hour stage production on film from the 1980's has much superior costumes. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] The bead-net dress (was: movie costumes--Egyptian)
A little prowling online turned up a teaching package from the Petrie museum that includes a photo and description of the bead-net dress (among many other items) and detailed directions for making one. I'm sure that the directions are modernized, but they're complex enough they clearly aren't meant to be Halloween-costume level. http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/Textiles%20in%20the%20Petrie%20Museum.doc --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] french translation again
I dont know who to get help from except maybe one of you. I ordered books from the french amazon, and they sended me a note in french off cause. Saying: Notification d'un retard de livraison Numéro de commande Chapitre : 1684054 Numéro de commande Amazon : 736-2550099-8381908 Chèr(e) Drews Leif, Nous avons bien reçu votre commande du 28/12/2006 14:58:00. Malgré tous nos efforts, nous n'avons pas été en mesure de vous expédier le ou les articles à ce jour. Nous nous en excusons vivement. Nous mettons tout en oeuvre pour pouvoir vous les expédier dans les meilleurs délais. L'article ou l'un des articles de votre commande ne nous a pas encore été livré par l'éditeur ou par nos fournisseurs. Nous vous prions de bien vouloir patienter encore quelques jours. Dès que possible, nous vous préviendrons par e-mail de l'état d'avancement de la commande et de sa date d'expédition. Merci de votre compréhension. Could a kind sould help me out with this? Many many thanks in advance Bjarne . Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
Glad to hear it got there; enjoy, -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject
P.S. Surely that's a gun with attached bayonet over his shoulder? --Ruth Anne On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:36 PM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: It looks to me like a border guard or castle guard at a small guardhouse. Lovely helmet. Halt! Happy new year, everyone! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject Hi and we want to wish you all the very, very best for the New Year! I thought of you specifically Bjarne, but I don't doubt there's enough people on this list who will appreciate these too! http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_80.htm Chris R. As for historical costumes for this year? I have two 1880's ball gowns I WILL finish :) Dear Chris, Oh many many thanks for that link. How charming they are. Dont quite understand is it an angel standing with a gun? at the small house to the left? Quite interresting to study the closeup pictures of the chenille embroidery. I have a picture of danish garthers with english text, saying When this you see, remember me! But i think it was very used. Thanks again, and good luck with your ball gowns. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] movie costumes
Yep, incredibly cool. I made a large soft sculture doll that wears infant size clothing. When you start the doll you don't know the sex until it just takes on its own as it is finished. Can't say going to make a girl or boy because what you get is what you get just like real life. Enjoyed your site. Lady Von Yeah, it's incredibly cool. (The same sort of technique seems to have been used for beaded-net sarcophagus covers that would include a facial portrait of the deceased.) I had fun making one for my ancient Egyptian doll -- see digthatdoll/egyptianwoman.html. It's about 2/3 of the way down the page. (The doll is about 10 tall.) Heather Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject
Hi again, I gues you have to study many embroideries with motifs of persons, before you get the right eyes to read it. But your suggestion, makes scence. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lauren Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject I suppose this is going to be a Rorshach -- I don't see an angel with a gun, but a spotted dog standing guard (the structure being dog house/guard house?) with a gun. But then, one man's angel could be another woman's spotted dog, I suppose... Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject Hi and we want to wish you all the very, very best for the New Year! I thought of you specifically Bjarne, but I don't doubt there's enough people on this list who will appreciate these too! http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_80.htm Chris R. As for historical costumes for this year? I have two 1880's ball gowns I WILL finish :) Dear Chris, Oh many many thanks for that link. How charming they are. Dont quite understand is it an angel standing with a gun? at the small house to the left? Quite interresting to study the closeup pictures of the chenille embroidery. I have a picture of danish garthers with english text, saying When this you see, remember me! But i think it was very used. Thanks again, and good luck with your ball gowns. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] challenges of 16th century dress differences
Please assist me with your expertise in determining the differences between the French and English fashions of the 1560's for women. How did the skirts differ in shape and length? Bodice lines? Fabric choices? Embelishments? Sleeves attached or detached for changing? Recognizing that this may be a broad question, please be patient in helping me understand these differences across social classes. Thank you Ann Morton -- Live Well * Laugh Often * Love Much ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] challenges of 16th century dress differences
ann marie wrote: Please assist me with your expertise in determining the differences between the French and English fashions of the 1560's for women. How did the skirts differ in shape and length? Bodice lines? Fabric choices? Embelishments? Sleeves attached or detached for changing? Recognizing that this may be a broad question, please be patient in helping me understand these differences across social classes. That's a very broad question. Herees a couple pictures to help you in your analysis: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=1497 Unknown woman about 1569 in French style clothing. And some English in style from about the same time: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=4208searchid=44981 http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=4207searchid=44981 Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] french translation again
Bjarne- Here's a translation to English: Notification of a delay in delivery Chapter Order Number 1684054 Amazon Order Number 736-2550099-8381908 Dear Drews Leif, We have received your order of 12/28/2006:14:48:00. Despite all our efforts, we were not able to send you the items at this time. We are very sorry. We will make every effort to send them to you as soon as possible. The item or one of the items in your order has not been delivered to us yet by the publisher or our suppliers. Please be patient for a few days. As soon as possible, we will notify you by e-mail with the status of your order and a delivery date. Thank you for your understanding. Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] velvet question
I haven't heard of the Egyptian piled fabric, but as far as I know, velvet was invented well *after* the Viking Age, so no velvet Viking poofy pants! ;oD --Sue - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] velvet question On a Norse list some people are trying to find out whether velvet or velvet like material was around during the Viking age. There is something about Egypt having a pile type fabric but someone send that it was totally different from velvet. So does anyone have the skinny on the subject? Thank you, De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. My grandmother married in 1901 and had a nice white wedding dress. She wore it church frequently. BTW, she was of modest means. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] challenges of 16th century dress differences
And don't forget this, in the same group from the Tate. http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=1497searchid=44981currow=2maxrows=5 The thing about home-grown English Elizabethan style is that there's not much in the way of it. It's largely borrowed from French, Italian, and Spanish. MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org --- Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ann marie wrote: Please assist me with your expertise in determining the differences between the French and English fashions of the 1560's for women. How did the skirts differ in shape and length? Bodice lines? Fabric choices? Embelishments? Sleeves attached or detached for changing? Recognizing that this may be a broad question, please be patient in helping me understand these differences across social classes. That's a very broad question. Herees a couple pictures to help you in your analysis: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=1497 Unknown woman about 1569 in French style clothing. And some English in style from about the same time: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=4208searchid=44981 http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=4207searchid=44981 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] movie costumes--Egyptian
On Thursday 04 January 2007 1:11 am, Penny Ladnier wrote: Okay, I caught up on the topic... I'm sorry for my stupid question. I am wondering if these Egyptian dresses that were found in the 1920s were what made beaded dresses in the 1920s so fashionable. From my research, they appear in fashion around the same time as the dates of the beaded Egyptian dress finds. They do, but the beaded dresses Rosalind Hall (?) Janessen talks about are significantly different than the finely beaded creations of the 1920s. They are a coarse mesh, made of either linen thread or large beads. Some of the western beaded dresses may incorporate motifs from Egyptian pictorial art, but I don't think the actual ancient beaded dresses were that big a factor. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity. --Robert Frost ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007
I do remember, although mostly I remember you talking about silk fabric and how it works with the whole GFD engineering ideas. You actually showed us a couple of different ones, including one that was wool in some sort of diamond pattern? (foggy memory on the details). --Sue, who is going to be dabbling in the 13th century this year, and if she still fits into her GFD pattern, will be making one of those. Finally. ;o) - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2007 When thinking realistic, what do you think you will finish of historical costumes in 2007? I don't do much sewing these days, but I have a few must-do projects for the next few months. I have been dieting for health reasons, and after dropping 18 pounds have found that the Gothic fitted dress I use for my lectures is now too large for my new figure. I would like to re-make it before I speak at CostumeCon at the end of March. In a pinch I can wear my last lecture dress, about a decade old now, which once again fits me, but it is not ideal, as it is silk, and I like to demonstrate the effects of wool, which was historically more typical. (Sue C. will remember the silk dress as the one I wore in Boise.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Penny Ladnier wrote: Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. Yes, but often as an evening dress, and not necessarily in the same form as when used as a wedding dress. It was not uncommon to make the wedding dress so that it could easily be transformed into an evening dress either permanently or at will (removable parts). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] velvet question
greetings, The pile fabrics were much less like velvet and much more like shag rugs. There are pile fabrics found in late antique/ early medieval in northern Europe. So while the velvet poofy pants wouldn't be correct and period, poofy pants made of shag would. :D Althea On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote: I haven't heard of the Egyptian piled fabric, but as far as I know, velvet was invented well *after* the Viking Age, so no velvet Viking poofy pants! ;oD --Sue - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] velvet question On a Norse list some people are trying to find out whether velvet or velvet like material was around during the Viking age. There is something about Egypt having a pile type fabric but someone send that it was totally different from velvet. So does anyone have the skinny on the subject? Thank you, De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things. William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] velvet question
On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:34 pm, Althea Turner wrote: greetings, The pile fabrics were much less like velvet and much more like shag rugs. There are pile fabrics found in late antique/ early medieval in northern Europe. So while the velvet poofy pants wouldn't be correct and period, poofy pants made of shag would. :D Not really. The northern European shag rug fabric was used for cloaks. I don't know of any other usage for them. The Egyptian pile fabric looks more like terry cloth. I'll see if I can find a picture on line. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity. --Robert Frost ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2007
of the me projects, rather than the work ones??? (ie the ones I'm doing cos I want to not beacause I'm getting paid). judging by previous experience, not a single one. :o) That said, my nice accountant boyfriend just worked out that apparently I made around three hundred individual garments last year, (bearing in mind that some of these were coifs and aprons etc), so I' not doing too badly. debs happy new year btw When thinking realistic, what do you think you will finish of historical costumes in 2007? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
