Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
lots of fun embroidery discussion that I missed because I'm not online over the weekend snipped for length, sigh :): Monochrome embroidery is actually considerably older than the 1400s... Sue, any insights into embroidery meant to be seen from both sides, as on cuffs or collars? That's the real issue here -- how early that concept might apply. --Robin Blackwork is my thing. I taught it back at the Known World Art/Sci Symposium in Orlando where you taught the Gothic fitted gown a few years ago. It is more correctly known as monochrome embroidery and was mentioned by Chaucer in Canterbury Tales. Chaucer mentions her collar with blackwork inside and outside. I'm aware of this reference -- it comes up a lot in discussions of 14th c. embroidery -- and I always pictured something like blackwork when I heard it, as it is black silk embroidery on a white smock, described as being all around the collar. But I'm wondering if that's the right interpretation of the following line, which indicates that the embroidery is withinne and eek withoute. I can't think of a better way to read it, but smocks in this period were not designed to show outside the dress, and did not have necklines that could be turned outward -- that I know of -- to show the inside. Anyone have a better reading? --Robin Robin, If you are needing 14th C the best references I can think of are Chaucer and the Mamluk embroidery. There is a new article on Mamluk work by Kathleen Staples in the newest issue of Sampler and Antigue Needlework Quarterly (http://www.just-crossstitch.com/sanq.htm). I just got it this weekend but have not read it yet. If I see something that might help I will drop you a line. And unfortunately the best argument I can think of against what it looks like you are trying to find are the fashion elements themselves of this era, reversible chemise cuffs or necklines don't spring to mind. Perhaps finding documentation for elements that would showcase reversible embroidery is another path to try. Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
You have a cuff pattern is, right? So you trace it onto the fabric, then cut around it, big enough to let you work it in your embrodery frame or hoop. When you're finished, cut out only the pattern shape. (This saves you from cutting up the actual work.) MaggiRos --- Lynn Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question regarding Blackwork. How do you embroider on a cuff? If you make a chemise and want to do blackwork on a cuff whats the best wa y to do it? = ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Finding shoes?
My son wears girls shoes, mary jane style. http://www.payless.com/Catalog/ProductDetail.aspx?TLC=GirlsSLC=GirlsCa sualBLC=GirlsCasualCasualWidth=RegularItemCode=34906LotNumber=041957 Type=YouthPopularity=316DescriptiveColor=Black good luck -annette -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Finding shoes? Dear All I have to find some cheap shoes online for my sons (aged 6, 11 and 13) to wear that will look Elizabethan upper class. I've looked in the stores here but all the slippers have motifs on them. Does anyone have any ideas? Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
That would be another string altogether. Let's try embroidered cuff. On 5/6/07, Lynn Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question regarding Blackwork. How do you embroider on a cuff? If you make a chemise and want to do blackwork on a cuff whats the best wa y to do it? Lynn -- Aspasia Moonwind ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Embroidered cuff
have a question regarding Blackwork. How do you embroider on a cuff? If you make a chemise and want to do blackwork on a cuff whats the best wa y to do it? Lynn Embroidering a cuff depends on what kind of cuff you are doing. As we were talking about Blackwork I presume you are talking about counted patterns. I measure the wrist and add an inch. Then I decide how wide I want the cuff, usually about 2 . I draw this with a pencil on linen, careful to follow the line of the thread of the linen. If it is hard to see, I draw a thread, measure 2 then draw another thread. This way I know it is straight. I count the pattern and divide be the number of threads. If the design is 10 spaces high, for example, and I want to fill 1 which is say 49 threads I round it off to 5 threads per stitch. It will come out slightly larger than 1, but works. This is ONLY for ADVANCED embroiders. However, for a beginner, I would say use the waste canvas you can get at most hobby stores. They are much easier to work with. You baste them over the area as a guide. Work the design. You can also do a sleeve without a cuff this way. I then cut out the cuff and proceed as usual. For a collar I do the same, draw in pencil, embroider, then cut out. I work then on scrap linen and run water soluable (school glue) around the edges so it doesn't unravel. For a sleeve without a cuff, I finish the sleeve first if there is it is large enough. If not, I at least sew down far enough to make sure the design matches up. -- Aspasia Moonwind ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Embroirdered cuff [was Medieval embroidery]
--- MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have a cuff pattern, right? So you trace it onto the fabric, then cut around it, big enough to let you work it in your embroidery frame or hoop. When you're finished, cut out only the pattern shape. Plus the seam allowance of course! Maggiros ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
While poking around, I found this picture, and was a little surprised to see what the fellow on the left was doing next to the dining room table. http://tinyurl.com/29t36b In an attempt to assure myself of what I thought I was seeing, I thought I would look it up on Bildindex since sometimes they have a zoom feature. To my surprise, I found this copy, missing the action. I'd be curious to know when this adjustment was made. http://tinyurl.com/2ptvcp I know this is probably one of those morality paintings like gluttony, but did people really pee at the table??? I knew things with respect to bodily functions were pretty public, but sheesh! Sheesh! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
Where did you find the first pic? as I think it is not the original but an altered picture. Kind of like the picture of Henry VIII instead of holding a glove is holding a roasted turkey leg or an Italian painting of a grandfather and grandson where the grandfather has a bulbous nose and they put a fly on it. The hand is more incline towards the hand on the back of a chair then pissing in a pot. De -Original Message- While poking around, I found this picture, and was a little surprised to see what the fellow on the left was doing next to the dining room table. http://tinyurl.com/29t36b In an attempt to assure myself of what I thought I was seeing, I thought I would look it up on Bildindex since sometimes they have a zoom feature. To my surprise, I found this copy, missing the action. I'd be curious to know when this adjustment was made. http://tinyurl.com/2ptvcp I know this is probably one of those morality paintings like gluttony, but did people really pee at the table??? I knew things with respect to bodily functions were pretty public, but sheesh! Sheesh! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
