Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations
Dress in 18th century Europe 1715-1789. by Aileen Ribeiro. Amazon Uk have it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: julian wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Gentles of the List, I have a young grand-daughter who has become deeply interested in 18th C high-status European fashions after seeing the most-recently-mdae Cinderella film. As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as starters for a personal reference library for her new interest. 18th C. European fashions are not a subject I have had any reason to research - [though I DO know the military history in considerable depth], and I have no reference Base to help me. Would Members of the List be good enough to make Book suggestions to help us pruchase a couple of sutiable reference books for our grand-daughter? Julian Wilson, dwelling in old Jersey, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and usually lead to a good solution:-) It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. Beteena Paradise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your Dressmaker's Dummy Wearing?
Please let us have some photos to see, screeeam! out loud Bjarne - Original Message - From: Jane Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your Dressmaker's Dummy Wearing? A late Elizabethan wheel farthingale gown which, I begin to hope, may actually be done for the Jamestown Ball in a couple of weeks. Based loosely on the Ditchley portrait, the underdress is done, and an overbodice is coming along, to be attached to an overskirt. Still to do is the neck ruff and, of course, as much trimming as I can get done in whatever amount of time is left. Fortunately the stomacher and sleeves were trimmed prior to assembly. The Jamestown Ball is an 18th century ball to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown colony in Virginia, and the invite says to come in any style of the last 400 years, and the earlier the better. The high-gussy Elizabethan style is too early to meet the qualifications, I know, but it is a ball, after all, and authenticity is not the main concern. At the moment, my main concern is how to dance while taking up all that real estate. Jane in Northern Virginia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] polonaise jacket
A lady friend from Gustavs Skål, sended me a pattern of a polonaise jacket 1785-90. Its supposed to be me who sew it and embroider it for her. But i have never seen the pattern before. I think its a pattern she made herself. In the front it has a compere closing, looking like a stomacher with slanted lines in A- form of the jacket sides. What i dont understand about the pattern is, that the jacket dont have any pleats in the waistline the skirt width is achieved by slanting seams, 2 center back pieces, 2 side pieces and 2 front pieces. Would it not be more appropriate to make the width of the skirt bigger and make more room for pleats in stead of slanting lines? The shape of the jacket is to be more of a bustle pad than a round pad. ?? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
I second this, Its so sad we have to have that disgussion so manny times! My dummie is empty, but soon its going to wear a polonaise jacket wich i plan to embroider. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? I'm bored with the medical, trademarks copyrights discussions. Any chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? Please? What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cotton wool
I usually buy the stuff from the chemist shop. It is in plates and very nice to work with. Right now i am going to use it for the stuffing of a muff. I make a roll from it, from 3-4 layers of the plates, graduating in size. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looky what I found
Hi, Yes i heard when i was at Bayreuth that Ludvigsburg is a must when you are interrested in Costume. They have the greatest collection in all Germany. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historic Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] looky what I found Was looking for ideas for another era but found this. http://tinyurl.com/2e8x72 http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/schwaben/schloesser/ludwigsburg/m ode/rundgang/mieder01.htm De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: ruffs on the head?)
Oh gosh Robin, thanks a lot for that link. It is very very interresting, and my how fantastic that they still have such old veils preserved! I didnt know they made such wonderfull magazines at the medieval center. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: ruffs on the head?) Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, we'd love to know. This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style and a proposed weaving method tested by the author: Giovanna Cenami's Veil: A Neglected Detail, by Carla Tilghman, in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Netherton and Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005). Since then, Carla has become involved in an international project on these veils, and from what I hear they are coming up with some astounding pieces of evidence, including an extant piece (or two pieces?) of ruffled-edge weaving. Here's info on the project: http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/Projekter/kruselerprojekte.html I should note that the project head, Camilla Luise Dahl, has done a really splendid article on an extant medieval linen cap (not frilled-edged) for the upcoming (2008) volume of MCT. I can vouch for her work. Many of the other names listed as involved in this project should be recognizable to members of this list. I know another member personally as a US re-enactor. More from that group here if you read Danish (I don't): http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/nyhedsbrevjan07tilweb.pdf See pages 15-23 (three articles). The articles include pictures of the extant piece (pieces?) of ruffle-edged fabric, and also pictures of various attempts at reconstruction, including weaving and starching. That's all I can get given how language-impaired I am. I will have to convince Camilla to publish this in English when they are all done. --Robin _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs on the head?
Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. Nice reconstruktion: http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures
Dear Kate, No you are absolutely correct, normally it was not the tone with moustache, but some of the military persons had. Also a gentleman with a strange beard, he was a payed musician who wore a strange costume. But he played the cemballo wery well. He also had forgotten his knee stockings, so luckily i had some he could borrow. Some prussian officers wore moustache, (think about Barry Lyndon?) The pale green was indeed a dress i kept my eyes apon very long time, it was a mantua. I especially admired the back it was so beautifull. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly exquisite. I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this correct for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the local patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a powdered wig and a small moustache. I thought this odd, because I've never seen facial hair in 18th century British portraits. Perhaps it was a Continental fashion? Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bayreuth pictures
Some wonderfull professional photos has already ben uploaded to the web. I know i have the permission to show you all, as great apreciaters of historical costumes: http://root.cologne-digital-online.de/isabel/bayreuth2007/ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures
This would be Cecilias riding outfit you are thinking of, her husband is the tall slender person in the green and red suit. Cecilias is black jacket - red skirt? I think hers is about 1740. I remember she told me, she wears it buttoned because she has not made the waistcoat yeat. In all the costumes are from about 1730 - 1790 so it is a wide range of costumes. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Bjarne, Thank you so much! Please forgive my ignorance: what time period do the costumes represent? I am interested in the young lady in the Riding Habit, since I also ride sidesaddle. Thank you, again. Susan (NJ-USA) Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bayreuth event 2007
Dear list. I just arrived home safely from a long and tiresome trainjourney to Bayreuth in South Germany. Night trains really isnt my cop of tea, and i slept very bad. So i am a little tired. Spended the weekend of my life with lots of beautifull and kind people having a danse soiré friday evening in the house of Prinsesse Louise von Bayern build about 1720. It was with candle light. An unforgettable walk at the Hermitage at Bayreuth, saturday afternoon, and following a performance with original instruments at the Markgräffliche Opernhaus also early 18th century - the opera of Henry Purcel King Arthur My head is so full of unforgettable moments and sights with beautifull dressed 18th century reenacters. When i get more fresh tomorrow, i shall eddit all my pictures and post a link to you, I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] neck tie cravat.
I have a very nice wide cotton lace wich i would like to make into a neck tie cravat. But what do i do with the lace raw edges? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out.
Thanks Dawn, i didnt realise that. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Saragrace, These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter because often your links you send dont work. Bjarne This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if that is the case. http://threadpro.com/linen.htmhttp://threadpro.com/linen.htm Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asphttp://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp You need to learn how to read the HTML links. If you look at the two lines of text you will see 'http://' followed by a string of characters that ends with 'htm' or 'asp'. This is the link. Sara's email program pasted the link in _twice_, trying to be helpful, and it messed up the way that computers read the text and recognize links, so that when you clicked you got an error. If you read carefully, you can see the error where it is repeated. If you take the part that starts 'http' and ends 'htm' or 'asp' and copy it into your browser address window, it will work. A lot of times email mangles links, but if you know what to look for you can pull out the correct address and find the web page. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out.
Hi Saragrace, These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter because often your links you send dont work. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. I was browsing the advertising in my most recent issue of Threads, and there are some promising fabric sources. This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if that is the case. http://threadpro.com/linen.htmhttp://threadpro.com/linen.htm Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asphttp://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp If you are looking for something to do on a rainy day you could probably spend a couple hours, (and many dollars!) checking them out. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green
Hi, Why is it that when i click the link, i only get a blank page, saying the site is under construktion? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green At 07:00 30/08/2007, you wrote: I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait of the lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ ladygreen.jpg . Before I spend time working out the blackwork pattern used on the smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here first to see if anyone has already done it. Many thanks, Aylwen Made the dress twice, but not the embroidery. Customers wanted open necks for summer wear! Sorry. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] costume site
Hi, Someone on my live journal posted this link to an italian museum. I thoaght manny of you would like to see two, Click on the years, below the drawings http://www.abitiantichi.it/collezione.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] copy rights
Dear Fran, I am not conserned about the matter, i was just curious about if this was legally ok to do. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights Yes, I think it is. There was, BTW, a legal case where an artist took a Victoria's Secret catalog lingerie photo, and did a painting from it for the cover of a romance novel, changing the clothes a bit (such as they were). He was sued and lost. If Bjarne is concerned he should contact the Metropolitan Museum. Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it does look like a derivative work. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] copy rights
Some times we speak about copy rights. I was astunned yesterday when i read a rewiev of a new art exhibition in Copenhagen. A danish painter exhibits his work in Bredgade. There was a link to his work: http://www.gma.dk/index.php?id=37L=0 It is all copyed from the book Dangerous Liasions. If you schroll down under the picture to the right, there are numbers for more pictures... But he must have asked for permission or what? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] last embroidery
Thankyou all for your nice response of the silver spangeled suit. I am going to make the suit for myself, as i am going to a 3 day event in Bayreuth, Germany. 14th, 15th. and 16th september. First evening, a danse and dinner soiré in the baroque Prinsesse House second evening Opera in the old baroque opera, hearing Henry Purcels King Arthur - finally last day, a picknick. In the opera, i am escorting Henriette whom i made the embroidered anglaise dress, she will wear it that evening. I plan to take loads of pictures and post them on my pages when i get back. I am introducing a new wig two, i had one made after Mr. Cossway in Jefferson in Paris Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bayreuth Germany
Hi Saragrace. That is a shame, on the other hand, the tickets were ordered nearly a year ago. They had these events for the first time last year, and it was a succes, so they wanted to make again this year. Maybe its going to be a tradition? I am having a night train directly from Copenhagen to Nürnberg, and then go to Bayreuth from there. Would have ben very nice to meet you in person! Bjarne I see Bayreuth is near Nuremburgwe will be in Germany at this time, near there. Too bad I don't have anything to wear! Sg Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] last embroidery
Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the silver spangeled suit. This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last embroidery on the second pocket flap http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen
I remember my mother told me, that when she was a child, she always had to wear fine clothes on sundays. And she hated this because the sunday clothes were starched and they scratched her skin. My mother was born in 1917. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen I spoke to my mom about the lists' recent discussion about cooling linen/cotton before ironing. My mom was born in 1934 and came from the timber area of south-central Alabama. The depression was really hard for people in this area. Poverty is still high in this area and timber is still the principal economy. Mom's family did not have an icebox until after WW2. Her mother and grandmother washed cotton in the manner described below. Her mother didn't own linen because it was expensive. Her grandmother may have had linen because her family was middle class. 1. They washed their clothing on a washboard and dried it on a clothesline. 2. Prior to ironing, a large pot was with boiling water was on the stove. A box of Argo starch was emptied into the water. The starch bath was after the clothes were line-dried. 3. Everything cotton was ironed except the sheets. The clothes to be ironed were dipped into the starch potted and wrung out before they cooled. 4. The items was laid flat and rolled into a sausage shape. 5. Depending on the weather, the items were placed into a tub in the cold creek's water or in the bucket for the well. The well was like one you would think of in the 19th Century...non-electric. 6. My grandmother's iron was made of iron and was put on top of the wood-burning stove to get hot. 7. They ironed the items and if it had dried out what so ever, they sprinkled the fabric with water. 8. Her mother was very picky about her iron. IF mom or her sisters got a spot of starch on the iron or clothes, she made them do the whole wash over again. Starching heavily served two purposes: 1. Mom stated that previously to WnW fabric, cotton wrinkled very badly and ironing it wet with the starch kept the wrinkles out. 2. Fabric that was heavily starched repelled dirt. Mom said that until Wash-n-Wear (WnW) fabric was affordable in the 1960s, that she starched all our family's clothing with Argo starch baths. My mom said she washed and ironed daily. We had 10 people living at home in the early 1960s. I guess I could interview my older sister about this. I am 15 years younger than her and there are three brothers in-between us. In our home, the females took care of the housework. The opposite of my present day family...my chore is the laundry. My mom had 13 siblings, but she said, they didn't own as many clothes as people have today. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Hi, Isnt that just a loop to hang up the shirt with? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ironing washed linnen.
Hi, Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering that i have to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. Wich way is the best to iron it? Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before i iron it, or should i just steam iron it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread?
Thats excactly what happens to me two, also when i embroider. Its very very annoying because i have to replace the needles all the time. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Genie Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread? At 12:08 AM 7/31/2007, you wrote: The recent discussion reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. I was taught that for hand sewing the recommendation was to use a single strand of thread, not doubled over all the way, and that you should knot it at the end that was just cut off the spool.? This method would help prevent tangling and twisting as you would be sewing in a compatible direction to the twist of the thread (and I don't remember whether it is S or Z).? Recently someone mentioned that they thought Gutermann was spun in the opposite direction from most sewing thread, and she wondered if she should change knot position for this. Any ideas? Being left handed, this is opposite for me. As for that, I really think that it depends on how you use your needle. I find that I tend to end up with a slightly bent needle, no matter how I try not to, and my needle then always sits in my hand the same way. Even then, there is an amount of twist that occurs from pulling the thread trough the cloth. My suggestion would be to just try in, and see how the thread reacts and compensate, if needed. Good luck to your friend, Genie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] If you could -
Ill do Schaeffers Amadeus or a danish play from same period named: Struensee was here. About the insane danish king Christian VII and his queen Caroline Mathilde, and the affair the queen had with the kings doctor Struensee. Oh my! Bjarne - Original Message - From: REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] If you could - which book/story would you like to costume? Why? We were having a discussion the other day about this topic and had some really interesting choices. I myself decided on Brian Daley's Jinx on a Terran Inheritance series for the book selection and any Firefly script for the story. Mostly because the styles are pulled from any culture and time period and it would be loads of fun. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
It surely is not, its more than 18 years ago i had french lessons in school, and i never used it. So its all forgotten again. If you like the period, you should also look for L'Allée du Roi its a 2 DVD long film about Madame de Maintenon, the mistress of Louis XIV. Its packed with beautifull costumes two. The fontanges in the end, are very varied both in materials and shapes. Its a beautifull film also, only also in french alone. And while we are in it, you also can get Madame de Pompadour also a 2 DVD set about Louis XV' misstres. Also very nice. The french are as good as the BBC when they make their own history. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:21:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unless your French is much better than mine *** That's a laugh! When we did the miniseries The Wedding, the designer brought all these great 1950's clothes from LA for the extras. Well, they were all size 4 thru 8. The black ladies we had down here in NC couldn't get an arm into them! The designer started calling the big girls Fried Chicken Ladies. Well, we couldn't say that in front of them so we started using Les dames du poulet frit...I mean Les belle dames du poulet frit. There...my French! ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
And they need some more width in their skirts two. Very scarce fabric use in my oppinion. The lady in the front wears her off the shoulder much two deep two. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moliere http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html?hint=group not my area of interest but the costumes seem to be close to the era depicted. You may be right about the same style, though the first picture the woman on the left end is different. -Original Message- So, has anyone seen this yet? The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
You better buy the old DVD with Teatre du Solleils version of Mollieres life. Even it is so old now, the costumes are stunning beautifull... Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Moliere So, has anyone seen this yet? The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
Hi, Yes this is the title. Then you can have it after all Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? Who's in it? A search for Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. *** Is it this one? From 1978? _http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/_ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
It would be a problem with the regions. I got mine from Amazon france. Only in french and no text, but i baught it for the eyecandy. And its a long film, more than 3 hours. The time is brilliant, starting with the cavallier style when he was a child, and see how the styles changes trough the times, at the end the fontanges are in fashion... Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:07:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You better buy the old DVD with Teatre du Solleils version of Mollieres life. Even it is so old now, the costumes are stunning beautifull... *** I'd love to! If it can be had in region 1 format! :-P Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? Who's in it? A search for Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1700s man's embroidered vest
Thanks Otsisto, Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1700s man's embroidered vest http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_562.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen
Hi De, This thin linnen is not available today. I can tell that for sure. How about using a thin silk in stead? Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Thank you. The linens are still to thick. I am looking for linen that is about as sheer as the veil on this Madonna http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi12.htm or http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi1.htm I know that one can get silk that sheer and I know there is cotton that sheer but I am told that on can find linen that sheer. Thank you, De -Original Message- You may be thinking of The Linen House. http://thelinenhouse.com/http://thelinenhouse.com/ I have their complete sample collection. Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma Veneszia would all work for under clothing. I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote and asked them they would help. I'll be there in September! W! I wonder if they'd mind if I wrapped myself up in a few yards just to get a rush! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
Maybe its because the stays dont have enough tabs for the hips, so that it spreads out two much at the center back bottom. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 Sg Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted V is not correct. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen
I have also a supplier of very fine batiste linnen. My one is 100 % linnen. But its very expensive, no bargains here, you have to pay for it! I have 3 meters waiting for a new shirt with cotton lace trimmings. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Hi De, That *might* be the cambric I found. It's at least as light as batiste, if not moreso. I can only get it wholesale and have to buy in bulk. In North America, I get it from Ulster Linen. I believe they also have a parent company somewhere in the UK. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art. -Leonardo da Vinci Once upon a time there was a discussion on batiste weight linen and a source was posted. I thought I saved the URL but I can't find it in my link files. Could someone with the link please post it and post (if you remember) the name of that type of linen as I know it isn't batiste. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com One looks like a reissue of the Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few years' ago. It is #3623 The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers are #3635 and #3637 Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen
She is not online, but i have her email address. Ill find it for you tomorrow. She is located in Denmark. She had a wonderfull embroidery shop in Copenhagen, but it closed down, she told me she still can get the linnen for me, i baught from her before christmass. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen I believe your suppier is who I am thinking of. May I have their name and are they on line? De -Original Message- I have also a supplier of very fine batiste linnen. My one is 100 % linnen. But its very expensive, no bargains here, you have to pay for it! I have 3 meters waiting for a new shirt with cotton lace trimmings. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Hi, Sorry for the confusing. I was talking about the Marie Antoinette dress, the francaise pleated back one. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns The blue dress color comes close to the blue dress found on a Dutch(?) painting of a woman. Her husband's portrait with him in a smoking jacket(?) was the same shade of blue. I posted both to this site. I don't have the url saved. De -Original Message- Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] China Silk Floss.
Hello the list, Just wanted to share a happy thing wich just happened to me. I had ordered a lot of silk floss directly from China. More than 2 kg. Then when i wanted to try them out, i noticed that the threads was not stranded into smaller threads like Eternas silk floss. It was a solid thread full of tiny tiny threads. The floss is cut out into lenghts of 84 cm each, and i tryed to split them, but it was impossible. Now i got help from H-Needlework, they advised me to cut the thread shorter. Now i have succeded to split one thread into 16 smaller strands without troubble. Think about the possibilities with this, i can mix collours if i need another shade i dont have.And make different thicknesses of strands. A little more time consuming, but truely worth the effort. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Thanks Kimberley, i will surely look forwards to that two. My Elizabeth R video is torned up, i have to buy the DVD, i love it so much. Thats why i have worned out the tape Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Yep, here is a little more info on it.? I got a peek at the trailer last week through a friend's livejournal and promptly posted it on my own livejournal and myspace pages.? I can't wait to see it myself.? I heard through someone that it had already shown, or part of it had, at a film festival in Italy and had received a standing ovation, but I have no idea as to the veracity of that as I have not read it in print myself. http://www.workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=102 ~Kimberley -Original Message- From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 1:48 pm Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Christian Lacroix
Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian rennaissance fantasy to me. http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix
Ok ok ok, i surrender, but its just a show you know! I kind of like their outdone hair and huge hats, but they are not for walking in the wind, nor are the high heals very good for the feet, but i still think some of it is rather nice. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix - Original Message - From: Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix At 05:14 AM 7/8/2007, you wrote: Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian rennaissance fantasy to me. http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm Thanks, that was fun! A few things that made me gasp at their beauty, a few that just made me gasp. (like the lime green bubble thing..) But what is the deal with all the models looking like the walking dead, or something out a Tim Burton movie? Eww. Dianne The models all looked drugged out, and what was with the weird hats stuck to the sides of their heads? Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] embroidered corset
In the book 18th century embroidery teckniques, there is a corset wich is very elaborate embroidered all over. It has shoulderstraps and laces center back. I am very keen in making a similar one, having in mind to mix it with a pink taffeta i baught in Rome. I was thinking about making the corset in ivory taffeta, and maybe make some of the flowers in the pink collour of the taffeta. Then i could make a petticoat to go with it in the pink taffeta. Any suggestions about how this corset would have ben worn? Perhaps it could be used very informal for a picknic, wearing a nice chemise with cotton laces, and make the skirt angle lenght with small pocket hoops? Maybe i could piece the bottom of the skirt with same ivory taffeta, and embroider a border round the hem? How do you think the corset was worn? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?
I have seen it before, and i still think its overdone, and if you really want my oppinion, i dont like the slashing at all, what a waist of beautifull brocade... Sorry :-( I know it was very fashionable.still Bjarne - Original Message - From: Anne Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I would love a really good copy. Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/DianaCecil.jpg I've seen plenty of slashing on sleeves, but this is the first picture I've ever seen with slashing on the skirt! Michelle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 1:40 PM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne,
Hi, I am not that keen in german, even i did have german language in school, but could the word trachten meen that you kind of trim your food? makes it look deliscious? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, My big Cassell's gives Tracht as clothing, garb, costume, fashion-- also a litter (as of puppies), a yield (as of honey). The verb trachten is used in some phrases where it means try or endeavor or aspire. Tracht as clothing must be formed from the verb tragen, which means to carry or wear. Nothing to do with food. But I'll consult my friend Hannah, who is German and a scholar (and a speaker of colloquial German)--she might have some ideas. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:29 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: Tracht is clothing, and generally clothing of a specific place (now meaning folk dress) Trachtenbucher of the 16thC were books of dress of different lands. What is the context, and what is it in a Ducth, German or Danish book? It may mean to dress the dish;). I've never know it to mean to try. In Dutch it means to try now (according to babelfish anyway), so the context is going to be very important. Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup.
Dear Ruth, and all Manny manny thanks for the phraises. I am happy with this dress, also because i know it is going to be used frequently and admired by manny. Ill pass along your words to Sofie. Thanks again Bjarne - Original Message - From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Bjarne, let me add my voice to the chorus of praise. Whoever took the picture should also be commended--the colors are lovely, the composition is elegant, and the sprig of purple flowers in her hand to echo the flowers in the foreground is the perfect touch. Please pass along my compliments. It is a wonderful photograph of a lovely young woman in a splendid gown! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:27 PM, R Harper wrote: The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to share. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Bjarne, as always your work is breathtakingly beautiful. You should be justifiably proud. Richard in MI _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/? source=TAGHM_June07 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup.
The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to share. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup.
Oh gosh, Thanks a lot Joan... Bjarne - Original Message - From: Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. At 09:10 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to share. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ Sofie looks lovely. You've made another masterpiece! Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fortuna
How fortunate can you get? I just got back from Rome. Found a wonderfull silk supplier near Piazza Cavour who claims he has more than 600 collours to choose from. Not nearly, but i had a book handled with only taffetas, and found for my September event this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/rom1.htm Also maybe for a future projekt this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/rom2.htm By a gods gift i also found a rare rare excample of Moreau Le Jeaunnes prints, i am sure some of you know some f. eks. Le rendevouz a Marly, Le dame au Pallais de la Reinne and so on. All prints compleatly for 120 euros... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress.
Thankyou soo much to all who replyed with feedback of Sofies dress. I am pleased you like her. I didnt dress her up myself, she was a very shy client, but her mother took on her clothes after my instruktions. She could have fitted the bodice a little better, but ... Thanks a lot. I unsubscribe now, i am going to Italy day after tomorrow, early monday morning for hollidays. Please dont talk of anything important while i am away Thankyou! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sofie in the dress.
As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped up and down Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from a satisfied costumer: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier.
I had an expensive education, went to be a costume designer, four years study at an artschool in Copenhagen. But couldnt find a job, so i made another education to a kind of nurse, where i take care of elderly people living in their own home. This is a full time job 38 hours a week, with work every 3rd weekend + hollidays. But as i simply cant live without making historical costumes, i make them in my sparetime, some for myself, others for reenactors and museums. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Jennifer Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?;Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will focus on one time period but I haven't yet. Jennifer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have a full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008?
Is this in Florense? I am going there soon. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? To those of you going, be sure not to miss a small store that has loads of trim (2 rooms, floor to ceiling) Passamaneria Toscana Piazza San Lorenzo, 12r The branch store at Viale Strozzi, 8r is smaller, with less inventory.(At least it was when I saw it in 2002) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:59 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
Hi, Yes when she comes we are arranging to go to the roof terrace where there is plenty of room, and ill dress up two for the photographs. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. At 08:47 AM 6/3/2007, you wrote: Hi, Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and pick it up friday next week. I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, never a moments piece. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne It's beautiful, Bjarne. Will you take more pictures when she comes to pick it up so we can see the dress on her? Dianne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
- Original Message - From: Rickard, Patty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Bjarne - I couldn't get all that done in 2 months with NO other job. You are phenomenal! Patty Hi Patty, Thanks but i can also tell you, i have had no life of my own in those 2 months. No time for friends, no time for going out att all. Just work. I have had more commissions lately, but i have turned them down, i cant cope with it, must have a normal life two. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have a full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Jennifer Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. That is so lovely, Bjarne! You should be really proud of the work you've done. I have started a complicated project that I need to finish by the end of June so I am curious how long your robe a la francaise took you to complete? Jennifer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and pick it up friday next week. I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, never a moments piece. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
Hi, Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and pick it up friday next week. I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, never a moments piece. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning
Hi, Just my 2 cents, i know that the National Museum, Denmark, has their own cleaning departure, they dry clean their own stuff, and they also take comissions, only it is quite expensive. I know this because the academy of Historical Hairstyles, was payed for one of their catwalks at the National Museum, with cleaning a dress for them. When i worked at the Museum of Decorative arts, they asked me to clean a full bustledress. I was send to town to buy lots of cleaning petrol, and the whole dress was dipped into a bath of this. Worked very well. I did it outside, and the rest of the petrol i was told should just stand outside, so that it could evaporate. Perhaps you could do that two, if you have a zink large enough, and can do it outside.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning I've found places that do it by mail, I just was hoping for a local one. It's really not an unusual process. Museums, antique textile and clothing collectors, and the better vintage clothing stores frequently send antique garments to be hand dry cleaned, since they will not withstand the agitation of machine cleaning. I've been sending stuff out for this process for decades. It's just that dry cleaners tend not to find the museum, etc. business as lucrative as machine dry cleaning for the neighborhood. One dry cleaner I used to use went out of business and the other says they no longer offer this service. My next step will be to contact the deYoung Museum and ask who they use for their collection, or perhaps to send to a place I found in New York. Government regulations or not, I don't think every museum in the country is going to have to start sending all those 18th-century and 19th-century garments out to the neighborhood bulk dry cleaner. Thanks, Fran Leah L Watts wrote: With regular dry cleaning they put the garment or textile into a machine and agitate it, which stresses it much more than hand dry cleaning, which seems similar to flat washing where you sponge the soap through the cloth. And given the government restrictions on dry cleaning solvent, I think you're going to have problems finding someone who can do this, ESPECIALLY in California. The only thing I can think of would be to contact some of the industry associations (such as the International Fabricare Institute, http://www.ifi.org/) and see if they have anyone they can recommend. Or see if there's someone using alternative solvents in your area -- I believe the liquid CO2 method requires a pressurized machine, so wouldn't work for you, but I don't know about Rynex or GreenEarth. Leah ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
Thankyou soo much Arlys. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Stunning, as always! Thanks for sharing. :-D Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier.
Dear Michelle, I shall in deed get a lot of photos, she is going to open an exhibition at Gammel Estrup castle about coffe and tea settings trough the ages. Just the right background for the dress. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Michelle Plumb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Bjarne, that's breathtaking. Please ask her to take lots of pictures of her wearing it! Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] brim width for a mid 18th century hat
Could somebody here advise me with how wide i should make the brim of a mid 18th century hat? It is to go with the red taffetadress i make. I have a tendensy to make it two large i think, what do you think? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Hi Deredere, I would use a gold passing thread wich you couch on the surface, but first i would embroider the red areas. You could simply cover the red areas with tiny chainstitches. After that couch on the gold passing thread. My guess is that it would be quicker to do, than to cut out and aplique the silk to the surface, because you had to treat the raw edges somehow. Lovely portrait. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. *** There are some amazing things made now to help you with applique. I used this stuff that was, not sticky as in gooey, but a heat activated bonding material that clung to whatever you wanted before any heat was applied, so you could move it around if you wanted, but it stayed put if you didn't peal it up. It did not become permanent until you blasted it with the iron. It had paper on both sides since both sides of the bonding stuff was clingy. You drew on one side of the paper the design elements you wanted, then pulled the other, unmarked paper off and bonded the whole uncut thing to the back of your decorative fabric. Then cut it out [the edges resisted fraying after being bonded] then placed all the elements where they needed to go, moving them and adjusting them as needed [they cling to the fabric] and when you got things in place, blasted them with steam and heat. They were now on for good. I did this with velvet even, using a velvet board and ironing from the back. Since it clings really well, I could pick up the whole thing and turn it over. Since all the red seems to be outlined in gold cord, this might work out well for you. I ran around all my appliques with a tight zig-zag, but you could get away with a wider one just to make sure everything is down and not going to fray, then cover it up with gold braid or whatever. It'll still be time consuming, but look great! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Dear Albertcat, Yes please do let us know, if you ever find the name for this, i know the ordinary iron on both sides with paper backings, its very nice also, but the idea that it sticks before you iron it is just what i could use, when you are making patterns with cut out motifs. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] wearing hat indoors.
Hi, I am in the middle of finishing the red taffeta dress and i am also making a hat to go with the dress, large brim, low crown. Now i just heard that the girl i am making it for is going to open an exhibition at Gammel Estrup about table settings for tea and coffe, trough the ages. Its june 10th, just the day before i travel on holliday to Italy. http://www.gammelestrup.dk/ Now i wished i had made her a cap, but i dont think i wil have the time for that. Wil she be able to wear the hat indoors, or wil it look strange? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wearing hat indoors.
Hi, Thanks for your thoaghts, well you are probably right, its because she dont have a wig and her own hair is very thin and smooth, so its difficult to make something with it. The only thing i am changing with the original design, is making a stomacher in stead of a compare, its easyer to fit it to her size this way. Also what i said about the cape that i probably not have time for it, is not entirely true, only i dont have a pattern for one, and i have never made any before. Thanks for your thoaghts. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wearing hat indoors. If she is the only one dressed in 18thC, then it's more of a costume and the indoor/outdoor thing does not matter so much. I'm not sure if there are different rules that go with a compere front gown. You don't often have buttons as the closure on women's clothing except for riding habits, which are a masculine style. Since the compere has buttons, the rules may change. You would need to look at pictures of that style gown, which it sounds like you are out of time to do! Usually a cap is worn underneath a hat. Then there is a dressed hairstyle that has feathers, ribbons, etc - no hat or cap. But again, does it go with the compere gown? And does that matter to 21stC people attending an exhibit opening? -Carol Hi, I am in the middle of finishing the red taffeta dress and i am also making a hat to go with the dress, large brim, low crown. Now i just heard that the girl i am making it for is going to open an exhibition at Gammel Estrup about table settings for tea and coffe, trough the ages. Its june 10th, just the day before i travel on holliday to Italy. http://www.gammelestrup.dk/ Now i wished i had made her a cap, but i dont think i wil have the time for that. Wil she be able to wear the hat indoors, or wil it look strange? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] article in Inspirations magazine
Dear list, I just wanted to say, that i am sorry i have told you the wrong issue, my article with embroidery in Inspirations magazine is not 55 but issue 56 wich is due out in the end of October. They have allocated 3 pages for my story with pictures... Sorry for the bummer.. Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 15th century purse
Hi, Someone asked for sources for bag asessories, dont remember the word for it. I was browsing a swedish site and found this: http://www.handelsgillet.se/diverse.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] hat books
I really need a book with hats. Anyone have any suggestions with a good history of hat book available today? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats/buckram
Hi folks, Isnt it strange but i cant find a danish word for Buckram, i have even asked reenactors, and nobody knows. Most annoying!!! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse
Hi Danielle, I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can get different styles today: http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163 These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse Greetings, I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse. It has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by frame. I'm not sure what the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does anyone know where I can purchase such an item? I have yet to turn up a merchant who sells them. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Danielle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?
Just a little note, when talking about split drawers. When i went to the exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of Frederik V, there was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges clothes. Its a whole outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with hip pads, skirt and a Brunswick overdress with hood. Its 1770ies, and i thoaght they didnt wear underdrawers? Now Denmark had a cold climate during the winter season, perhaps it was a nescesity for the ladies two? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Sue Clemenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert? That's a very cool website, although I find the graphics a little distracting. Thanks for the link! Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about those split drawers (truly, just odd timing g...I went to a play this weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it, and for some reason, I was wondering if that flip the skirts up over one's head and wiggle one's backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered more of a *koff* view than we'd think). When did it become common practice for the split to be sewn up? --Sue - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert? The lady in question is Elizabeth Stewart Clark. http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] (no subject)
Dear Paula, I get my magazines from Australia, there are no places in Denmark where i can buy it. But maybe there are places in USA? The magazine is called Inspirations Here is a link directly to Australia: http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/ Bjarne - Original Message - From: Paula Praxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Can someone please provide the name of the journal in which Bjorne will be featured. If possible a link to how it can be ordered would be really nice and helpful. I'm a great fan of his beautiful work. _ More photos, more messages, more storage-get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article.
The previous issue is number 54 and they told me i would be in number 55 wich comes in august. It seems to be that i only wil have the interwiev with pictures, they were interrested in gettning the embroidery pattern for my embroidered bird stomacher, but i dont think it wil come because i should have heard from them but have not. Also i told them i thoaght it was very rude that they dont pay their contributors who gives away embroidery designs for the magazine, actually we are in the year 2007, not 1880. But isnt this typically, because its most ladies who gives away their work for free, i think its about time, they get paid!!! Same with my kind of work, i work in nursing old people, and they pay us very poor, also because it still is womans work, typically Comeon ladies, you must insist to be payed well!!! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Michelle Plumb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article. Bjarne, there seems to be some confusion about which issue you will be appearing in. I sent in a pre-order for issue August issue #57 (as you mentioned), and was told that issue #57 wouldn't be available until 23 Jan 2008. Has there been some sort of mixup? Michelle, looking forward excitedly to your feature! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article.
Sorry, not the previous, the current off cause Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article. The previous issue is number 54 and they told me i would be in number 55 wich comes in august. It seems to be that i only wil have the interwiev with pictures, they were interrested in gettning the embroidery pattern for my embroidered bird stomacher, but i dont think it wil come because i should have heard from them but have not. Also i told them i thoaght it was very rude that they dont pay their contributors who gives away embroidery designs for the magazine, actually we are in the year 2007, not 1880. But isnt this typically, because its most ladies who gives away their work for free, i think its about time, they get paid!!! Same with my kind of work, i work in nursing old people, and they pay us very poor, also because it still is womans work, typically Comeon ladies, you must insist to be payed well!!! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Michelle Plumb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article. Bjarne, there seems to be some confusion about which issue you will be appearing in. I sent in a pre-order for issue August issue #57 (as you mentioned), and was told that issue #57 wouldn't be available until 23 Jan 2008. Has there been some sort of mixup? Michelle, looking forward excitedly to your feature! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article
Thanks Lorina, Also of the answer about the womans haircap. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Five Rivers Chapmanry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Bjarne's upcoming Inspiration article I'm quite in Bjarne's camp on this one; people should get paid for their work, regardless of gender or whatever. There's no such thing as 'building a resume' in that regard, because it has been my experience that once the 'for profit' world finds out you've been giving away your work to the 'not for profit' world, they will treat you exactly the same way: cheap, easy labour. And it doesn't matter what industry you're in, the same rule applies. I'm going through this exact problem atm with a company that designs visuals for museums and historical sites. Huge company. International. They're being paid rather handsomely by the not for profit commission they're representing. And they're expecting my husband to simply hand over one time publication rights to a particular photograph in our Niagara Escarpment book. When I said that wasn't good enough, they came back with a sum so ludicrously small as to be an insult, reminding me their client was a not for profit organization. I politely reminded the woman representing the company that their client may be not for profit, but we aren't, and for that matter neither is the company, and that perhaps she'd want to reconsider her offer. No, if your work is not worth being paid for, then it's not worth giving away either. End of story. Rant off. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Now available: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 5/9/2007 3:07 PM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Getting paid
Dear paula, Thanks, i guess you are in the buisinees two? or perhaps knows something about it. Its just so annoying that the world is so hard to change in some parts... Bjarne - Original Message - From: Paula Praxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] Getting paid Bjarne, You are so right. Men and women who care for others - I'm not talking doctors and nurses in hospitals, but the everyday people who hold hands, bring food, bathe bodies-these poeple should get better pay. So should people like you who keep alive beautiful hand craft skills such as embroidery- yours is exquisite - and I know there are others out there like you who love and recreate historic designs. I love this list, it gives me inspriation and a place to connect with others that love the historic fashions - the grand and the small details. _ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for fabric shopping in Rome and Prague
I was going to ask the same about Rome, i am travelling down there on 11.th of june. Some years ago i found a terrific fabric shop in the main street called Via del Corso, but last time i looked for it, i couldnt find it anymore :-( Surely there must be some fabric shops in Rome, and isnt Italian Silk especially famous? - Original Message - From: Kathy Stormberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for fabric shopping in Rome and Prague Okay, since there are requests for good places for fabric in Ireland and Germany, how about Rome and Prague (Rome especially!)? I will be there at the end of this month/early next month. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Kathy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
Another note, The young gentleman in the foreground, dressed in yellow - is he wearing womens shoes or is it his own? Just that i se a big difference for the other gentlemans shoes, and the yellow gentlemans shoes, looks very like the maids shoes on the right. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Land of Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting Well for one, a man would not hold his thang like that to pee. No, but an artist would certainly paint it that way if he wanted to show the act, but not the anatomy. Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] womans mid 18th century hair cape
I have tryed to find a picture with a cut of how the womens hair capes in mid 18th century was cut. I cant find any. Does anybody know any online pictures for that? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] womans mid 18th century hair cape
Hi, Sorry i have not ben precise. I dont meant a cape to protect. What i ment was the small linnen hats ladies wore in mid century. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mid 18th century hair cape At 14:20 08/05/2007, you wrote: I have tryed to find a picture with a cut of how the womens hair capes in mid 18th century was cut. I cant find any. Does anybody know any online pictures for that? Bjarne The only one I know of is this one of Mme de Pompadour at her Toilette, by Francois Boucher. Sorry about the long link - don't know how to shorten it! http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wellesley.edu/WomensReview/archive/2003/03/pompa4.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.wellesley.edu/WomensReview/archive/2003/03/highlt.htmlh=280w=224sz=24hl=enstart=1tbnid=x7MgeJIZg1L1gM:tbnh=114tbnw=91prev=/images%3Fq%3DMme%2Bde%2BPompadour%2Bin%2Bher%2BToilette%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] hair linnen cape
This is the type of cape i want to make. I dont know if my word of cape for this garment is right? I would like to make it with cotton laces and ad some lappets. Should the lappets sit in the back or in the sides? http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Seamstress-Or-Young-Woman-Working-Posters_i1345086_.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] pleated trim
Gosh, i really have putten myself to work with all that pleating for the dress. Spended 2 days to make trim, and i have not made all of it yeat. I have handstitched all the gold trim to the fabric strips, and it pays to do so because it looks much better... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Metrosexual???? OT
Hi Saragrace, This is a new word, but its ben used here in Denmark a coupple of years. It dont refer to a homosexual man, but to the up to date fashionable gentleman, who trims and shaves, and wears the casual everyday fashionable outfits. He maybe works at the office, or he could also be a postman. Thats a metro sexual man. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] Metrosexual OT Okay, this may be a little off topic, but since I heard it on the Tudor Fashion special (TFS) on showtime, maybe it isn't too bad. I heard the word Metrosexual (MS) for the first time in my life earlier this week in reference to what I can't remember, then I heard it yesterday for the second time on the TFS, and just now on NPR on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me. NPR's discussion implies that it is another word for homosexual, the TFS refered to Henry VIII as a MSwhat the heck is everyone talking about??? Someone who copulates with everything they can get their hands on?? Dumb in Buckwheat, AZ Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution
Yes :-) I love this book, and i think the author made a terrific job. Also a danish princess who was going to make peace between Sweden and Denmark had a very expensive trouseau. Her things were send by more than 50 carriages of clothing, furniture and other things, she could not live without, including her weddingdress. The new about this weddingdress was that it actually was not made in Paris as thoaght, but was made by a danish taylor. They recently found the bill. One of my theories about how bad it went, is that if she had not excluded all the important nobility families from her own petite court at Trianon, it would not have went as badly as it did. She had build up an image, being the queen of fashion, also adored and looked up to by all the nobility families, when she turned her back to them, they started to hate her. That was a big mistake.. And it is true that she tryed to be a good girl and not spend so much money on fashion, but she forgot all her duties as a queen, abandoned the whole machinery, with no thoaghts about how dangerous this was. I would have given my right arm, to see the shop in Paris with Rose Bertins dresses.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: LLOYD MITCHELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: H-Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution I have been reading What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution and have been captivated by the author's thesis re the effects of 'fashion/anti fashion' had in many aspects of 18th Century France. Buy French is an early theme and her arrival as the Dauphine-ellect plays out much as featured in the most recent film...except, it seems that the truth of the matter is that Mother Maria Teresa sent her to France complete with an up to date trouseau of the latest French fashions that were confiscated by the new court. We remember that MA was criticized for her wonton extravigant use of the treasury for her own adornment. Most of her gowns could only be worn once or twice by court tradition and edicts. The silk trade dominated the core of the rag trade. When she changed the styles to a more countrified look, she was blamed again for causing a depression in the fashion related trades. She really rocks the boat when she begins to have her wardrobe repaired and re-embellished instead of buying new! Lots of descriptions of clothing and hairstyles and details of her connections with Bertin and the royal hairdresser. Illustrations are few but taken from portraiture and cartoons; the written word carries the day. I am fascinated with this new conception of a Petticoat Rebellion Anyone on the list who might have cracked this book? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] i cant deside.........
If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold trim two much? What do you think? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] i cant deside.........
I really apreciates your thoaghts, many thanks. Its just because i dont think my boxpleating is looking the way i want it to look. The look i want is this: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let some of the pleats float more... its ever so difficult. And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up bits by bits on the dress itself How would you do the job? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside. At 20:01 30/04/2007, you wrote: If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold trim two much? What do you think? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm Bjarne My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more authentic looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as that one. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] i cant deside
Now i have desided :-) Costume in Detail page 136 gives a very close look for a pleating. I think it looked wrong on my sampler because i should not stitch down the pleats in the sides. The dress on page 136 has box pleats, wich are spaced with as much plain ground as pleating. I tryed to make my pleats like that, and also found out, when i looked close to the picture, that the pleats are not sewn down in the edges, but they are stitched about 1 cm each side of the centerline. It makes the world as a difference because now my pleats comes to life and are raised in the edges. Thankyou soo much to everybody for your help and suggestions. Oh and ill use the small gold trim, not the big one, it also looks two much like plastic to me.. Now i am really going to be buisy, the dress must be finished by 11th of june.. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas
Dear Melanie, No thot those, what i ment was this: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1562.html To me it looks really like embroidery, you can even se that there is used deeper shades of silk in the center of the flowers, like thread painting. Its the yellow flowers in the centers of blackwork embroidery on her sleaves and on her chemise Bjarne - Original Message - From: Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Bjarne, Do you mean the small gold things all over the gown and kirtle? I think that these are metal quatrefoils with a central stone, not stumpwork flowers. You can see similar items on the upper sleeves of this lady http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg a slightly fancier version down the bodices of loose gown and kirtle of this lady http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady33.jpg little ones all over the partlet here http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethAustria.jpg and larger ones with square red or black centers on Elizabeth's sleeves, shoulder rolls, guards, and fan handle. http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/elizahever.jpg Here's a closeup of a replica of a simple version with a square center http://www.pewterreplicas.com/detail.asp?id=158selcurrencies=GBP Cheers, Melanie Schuessler On Apr 28, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I just love the embroidery on the sleaves with the yellow buttercups, they seem to me to be raised stumpwork? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas --- Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell with the tone on tone BW image) http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/ FrancesSidney.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas
I just love the embroidery on the sleaves with the yellow buttercups, they seem to me to be raised stumpwork? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas --- Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell with the tone on tone BW image) http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/FrancesSidney.html This lady is now considered in all likelihood to be Queen Elizabeth l. According to Janet Arnold, she is standing in front of a Chair of State. I think there may be an article in the catalogue The Tudor Dynasty from which I believe your picture comes. Thank you Suzi! I didn't know that. I got that image from someplace online, but I will look up the info if I can find that book. Do you have the name of the author? Kimiko __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag
Hi, Thoaght i aught to tell you about the 51 issue of Australia Embroidery Magazine Inspirations has the most stunning embroidered elizabethan sweetbag, with strawberries in bloom and with fruits as well as Heartsease flowers. It is so beautifull, and those of you who might want it, could order it from http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=433808 Bjarne whose fingers really want to make... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question
The bobbin lace on this dress must be Chantilly lace. Chantilly lace is made from unboiled silk thread, and uses thicker silk threads as gimps. The big raised paisley ornamentation is not lace, but it must be embroidered. Bjarnes 2 cents. - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] thread holders
When i saw the picture of the holy family, and the sewing basked i thoaght, could this thread holder simply just have ben made from a piece of scratch linnen? I know that paper was quite expensive in medieval times. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: My new book
Dear Lorina, I want a signed book, but ill order it later, next month. Congratulations with your wonderfull book. I am preparing for Leif an me tonight candle light supper with a roasted salmon, potatoes and a sauce with butter, limejuice and dill. We have so many flood streams and therefore can produce salmon freshly. If i had the shop nearby, i also wanted to start our supper with 6 ousters. And i am sure the list dont mind. Friday i travel again to my swedish gustavian friends, this time in a new suit; jacket and breeches made from USA Hyena silk taffeta .collour called Khaki Moss, baught it on sale, with a remnant of the yellow silk taffeta, i made for an amreican girl with the stumpwork embroidery. This evening i have to praktice to make a nice makeup for my old face (52 years old) and had a hard life, my newly baught wig from last year in grey from england This time i shall also include a link, when i get home again from the happy weekend at Beatelund Spring party. - Original Message - From: Five Rivers Chapmanry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: My new book This is not costume related, so delete if you're not interested. Just thought for those of you who might be, my new cookbook, Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, is now available through our website (in which case you'll get a signed copy), or through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Borders, internationally. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Now available: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question
You are very welcome Sharon, Glad to help you out on that question. I know Chantilly and how it looks, because i was so fortunate to be teached by a duch teacher, very skilled one two. Chantilly has a wowen pattern inside a motif outlined by a thick gimp thread. Marie Antoinettes favourite Lace had a gimpthread wowen throughout the motif Her lace was Blonde Lace. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Thank you, I knew someone would know. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question The bobbin lace on this dress must be Chantilly lace. Chantilly lace is made from unboiled silk thread, and uses thicker silk threads as gimps. The big raised paisley ornamentation is not lace, but it must be embroidered. Bjarnes 2 cents. - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] embroidery question
Not that i have ever tryed to embellish gold on velvet, but i can tell that in some 18th century garments, there is trace from a layer of silk gauge wich they used between the velvet and the gold, so that the gold wont disapear in the plush of the velvet. A kind of invisible support on the velvet. When the embroidery is done, the surplus silk gauge is cut away, so it wont show. And not again that i have made embroidery on velvet yeat, but it is not as difficult as you think, to embroider a large piece of material, if only you have a proper frame, i do it all the time with my big frame and my waistcoat and jacket embroideries. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
