Re: [h-cost] Civil War Frock Coat Pattern? my fav...
I had to make one a year and a half ago, and I ended up using Simplicity 2895. I was impressed that the seams were in the right places, and the best part was that the week I needed it (and I only had a few days to get it done), it was on sale at JoAnn's for 99 cents. Of course, ignore all the instructions about fusible interfacing and do it up the old way. The pattern comes in two collections of adult men's sizes and also includes a decent vest and shirt. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image search - help?
You might have seen someone's interpretation of f 249v from the Manesse Codex. The page has two people on a light background, the woman is seated to the left looking over her right shoulder and she's wearing a light red sideless surcoat puddled around her feet. In the interpretation, the surcoat is definitely pink, not red. You can see a copy of f 249v here: http://lumillule.wordpress.com/ And the interpretation here: http://turquoise26-terreetciel.blogspot.com/2011/07/le-codex-manesse.html Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Laurie Taylor mazarineblu...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:30:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] Image search - help? Greetings, A while back, before Xmas, I was researching sideless surcote pictures online. Had a few images open in tabs, and had a crash before I got them all saved. One in particular is still haunting me. Period painting, a group of people with some emphasis towards the left side of the painting (viewer's perspective) - One woman was seated, turned slightly to her right, the viewer's left. She was wearing a sideless surcote in what would be called pink ...in modern terms, but a deep, rich pink if I recall correctly, and it was draped on the floor around her feet. I've been hunting for this image ever since, and absolutely cannot find it. I'm starting to wonder if I imagined it. I've gone through every Google result that seemed even remotely likely. I'm quite sure that it was not a painting from any sort of Codex. It seems like it was a fairly light, bright painting. I think that it was from the right time for sideless gowns, so not anything like a Victorian fantasy, not a pre-Raphaelite for sure. This image could have been in someone's PDF file, or it could have been right on a web page. I do remember thinking that I'd love to have done a reproduction of whatever her whole outfit was, though the surcote was the most noticeable thing about it, at least at the moment that I was seeing it. I've seen many images of sideless surcotes in what could be called pink, and many of women seated and wearing sideless surcotes, yet this one image eludes me. I know that this is asking a lot, but if this minimal bit of description jogs anything for any of you, I'd sure appreciate any nudges in the direction of images that might be this one. Appreciative of your patience and your help! Laurie T. Phoenix ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ghent Alterpiece
I'm in Firefox and this worked for me: http://closertovaneyck.kikirpa.be/#home -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone recognize this movie?
Anonymous is actually the name of the movie. It's a who really wrote Shakespeare's plays movie out earlier this year. That first picture is Vanessa Redgrave as Elizabeth I. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:30:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Anyone recognize this movie? http://netkushi.com/gallery2/index.php/Hollywood-Movie-Stills/A/Anonymous-Movie-2011/Anonymous-Movie-Stills/Anonymous_movie_stills_1 There are a series of stills here, but no name for the movieanyone recognize which one it is? Sg http://netkushi.com/gallery2/index.php/Hollywood-Movie-Stills/A/Anonymous-Movie-2011/Anonymous-Movie-Stills/Anonymous_movie_stills_1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
No dummy, but a couple of interview suits, lots of polarfleece for the upcoming winter, and a new winter coat. Anything historical will have to wait until the practical sewing is done. If I get to it, it will be a couple of new gowns to go with the rest of the Viking age kit. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1975-76 - Prom dresses/formal gowns
Does anyone have a good resource of photos of dress styles popular at the time? Try the movie version of Carrie. It has a prom scene and was made in 1976. -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] weight of batting [was:Re: Heavy underwear]
I have a queen-sized wool comforter (wool batting between two layers of egyptian cotton). It weighs less than the much thinner quilted all-cotton bedspread. YMMV, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th and 17th Century Portraits
Wow. Great resource. Lots of paintings I've never seen before. Thanks for posting the link. -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] eek, quick opinion pls...
Oddly enough, I just made a frock two weeks ago, from this Simplicity pattern: http://www.simplicity.com/p-1806-men-costumes.aspx The seams are all in the right places, which surprised and impressed me. It went together easily, but I used real interfacing, not the iron-on crap the instructions call for, and I pad-stitched the collar. It includes two vests and a shirt, which weren't needed, but they look pretty good, too. An additional advantage of this pattern is that it's locally available and often on sale. (JoAnn's was running a 5 for $5.00 promotion.) Good luck with your project, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Based on previous posts, the first one on the list at www.bookfinder.com for $202 is an absolute steal. -Helen/Aid an ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for a picture
How about this one- German, 1561: www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI05036f02a.jpg Enjoy, -Helen/Aidan On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.netwrote: Somewhere in the past I remember seeing a drawing/picture from the 16th century which showed in the background a period example of an exersaucer for an infant. Does anyone know what I am talking about, or what the picture might be? My foggy memory has it as some sort of sketch/woodcut style, but that could be very off. I now have a 4 month old, and having that picture would be helpful in trying to recreate such a monster for her :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume magazine article wanted
There's an article Cutting the exotic: a study of some Asian trousers by Penelope Woolfitt in Costume No 36 (2002). Maybe that's the one you're looking for. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - If From: Cascio Michael rosen...@yahoo.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Friday, April 9, 2010 8:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [h-cost] Costume magazine article wanted Hi Everyone, As it has now hit over 80 F and 85 % humidity at my workplace I plan on making good my threat to make some Asian pants in a truly obnoxious print. Unfortunately I can't find the article I was going to use as reference. I know it was in Costume, the periodical publication out of the UK, and it was in an issue numbered somewhere in the 30s for issue or volume number. Does this ring a bell for anyone? If someone can send me the article or the volume/issue number or an online link I can start sooner. If anyone has the cite for the article I can try inter-library loan or take the perilous journey to campus town and the university library. The harder I try to remember the article specifics the bigger the blank I'm drawing so any help would be greatly appreciated. Cassandra ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Rings
If you used jewelry findings, make sure you use jumprings which are soldered closed like the ones here: http://www.firemountaingems.com/search.asp?skw=jumprings+soldered+closed+brass+18+gauge -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
There's a color picture of Elizabeth Fitzgerald, Countess of Kildare, here: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZGERALD1.htm Go about 3/4 down the page for the thumbnail. It can be enlarged. -Helen/Aidan . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Oops. Make that the Countess of Lincoln; her mother's the Kildare. Anyway, the portrait is dated c 1575, by anonymous, and in the collection of the National Gallery of Ireland. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, which is even more obvious when you look at the black white photo I saw first, here: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_4.htm Go straight to the bottom of the page; she's third up. The original request was for color, so I posted the other link. Anyway, take a look and see what you think. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Working class pattern
Becky- That painting is The Fruit Seller by Vincenzo Campi, , ca1580. If you look it up at the Web Gallery of Art http://www.wga.hu/index1.html you will get the full painting, not the crop you found. You will be able to see all of her dress, right down to the hem and her right foot. To me, it looks like the green is a trimmed apron and the dress is all gold. There's a side view of another woman bending over in the background, and she's got the same arrangement. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
There's a reason why I still do image searches with altavista... The painting that started the question is by Richard Burchett, painted ca 1854-1860. It is a copy of a painting in the private collection of the descendants of Henry Grey, first Duke of Kent, by an artist of the English School, dated to the mid-16th c. There are literally dozens of copies, most also Victorian. Who knew. You can find the painting in question, the original it was copied from, and all of the other copies at the Lady Jane Grey Internet Museum, here: http://www.bitterwisdom.com/ladyjanegrey/Life/1c.html Enjoy, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
...but the page itself, with all the versions of the images, provides wonderful examples of how understanding of clothing changes when copies are made of copies are made of copies... It might be fun to arrange them in chronological order and see how the original goes through changes through the years. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Patterned Houppelande, WAS no subject
It's from Norris, fig.348, described only as The Houppelande. In the text on the next page it is described as follows: A scion of the noble House of de Clare is shown in fig.348. He is shown wearing the houpeland (sic) decorated with the family badge- the clarion (an enlarged detail of it is shown in the left-hand corner). There is no attribution or original source listed. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday Puzzler - Painting Identification
The painting is from The Allegory of the Months by Francesco del Cossa, Italian, ca 1470. The picture you posted is of a group of figures in the upper right-hand corner of The Allegory of April: Triumph of Venus. You can find the rest of it on Web Gallery of Art, under del Cossa: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] book lust G
Julie- A new copy of _Moda a Firenze_ is $99.50US; a new copy of _Queen Elisabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ is $165.00US. Best price according to www.addall.com right now is is $93.50US at Amazon, with free shipping for Moda, and the best deals on QEWU are from the UK, with Amazon UK at $158.74, including air mail shipping. Good luck book hunting. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Jane Asher book, was Halloween and the perception of costume
The book is called _Jane Asher's Costume Book_ ISBN: 0932086314 and used copies are currently available for as little as $1 US. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting
Elizabeth wrote: This is not directly clothing related but does anybody know where I can find a painting that shows the visitation (the bit in the bible where Mary visits Elizabeth) with a sort of x-ray view where you can see both the unborn babies (Jesus and John the Baptist) on their mothers stomachs. From memory it's 14th or 15th century Italian and I think one mother is wearing pink and the other blue but I may be mistaken. I was talking to a friend about it but without an artist or reasonably unique title a google image search didn't turn up anything useful. To bring this back to clothing, I think it would be fun to recreate the painting by painting or printing a picture of a baby onto a dress. The painting is The Meeting of Mary and Elisabeth by Max Reichlich, Austrian, ca 1513. It's up on Web Gallery of Art. I was interested in the jug and the beverage flask, but the fetuses doing the meet-and-greet between the pregnant bellies are what made the picture really memorable... Enjoy, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice
Robin wrote: (Ditto with demerara sugar, used routinely for coffee in England but obscenely expensive.) I get bags of paper tubes of Demerara sugar (Domino brand) for $0.70/bag at the local Big Lots. The stores are all over the place- their store locator is here: http://www.biglots.com/store_locator.aspx You could also try Sugar-in-the-Raw. It's similar, and you can get it in the supermarket for about twice the price of regular sugar. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice
More on Demerara- I was in my local supermarket this afternoon getting baking soda for the fridge, and guess what was on the shelf next to the brown sugar and confectioners' sugar? Re-sealable pound sacks of Domino brand Demerara sugar for $2.29. This is not an upscale foodie market, just a regular Giant Eagle. Yours may have it, too. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] It's time for Japanese...
andy wrote: Does anybody have better resources on earlier Japanese costume, say Heian and Kamakura styles? There's a great new book: Kure, Mitsuo, _Samurai: Arms, Armor, Costume_, Chartwell Books, London, UK, 2007, ISBN: 0785822089, ISBN-13: 9780785822080 It lists for $19.99US, but lots of places have it cheaper; I got my copy for around $12. Most of the costumes depicted are pre-Edo, and each is given at least four pages of pictures, text, and diagrams. Costumes are shown from different angles, and in various stages of assembly. There are much more of the mens' costumes than the womens', and lots of armor. The text is very entertaining. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males
Other '60's musical shows were Shindig and Hullabaloo. Sonny and Cher (especially Cher) were also prone to fringe, and they might be the earliest, around '65-'66. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males
The fashion definitely started in the '60's, part of the hippie Native American stuff. The earliest fringed jackets I can remember in a band is on one or two of the members of Buffalo Springfield. They broke up in '68. There's a picture here: http://www.greene.k12.ia.us/wpdevelopment/Abby%20Web/NeilYoungAbby/p5.html Roger Daltrey from the Who also wore them a lot, as early as the late '60's; Jefferson Airplane, other psychelic bands, too. The style went more mainstream in the '70's. You can also look for pictures from Hair. Have you discovered VH1 Classic yet? -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress.
Simply beautiful. And so nice to see one of your incredible dresses on a live model. Thanks for posting the pictures. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle
That's beyond a typo. It's the Greverade Altarpiece by Memling. The same dress also appears in a Crucifixion by Memling. Both are at the Web Gallery of Art. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle snip Look at The Seven Sacraments and a Deposition by Jan van Eyck and the Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams visible. Good luck with the project, -Helen/Aidan I looked at the Web Gallery of Art and found those first two titles by Rogier van der Weyden was that a typo in your post or have I missed something with the same titles by van Eyck? Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle
There's a kirtle that show up in the second half of the 15th c. It has a scoop neck, laces up the front, has a four-piece bodice with high armscyes, short sleeves (with long sleeves pinned on), a waist seam and a gored skirt set on mostly smoothly. You should be able to that dress out of nearly four yards, especially since noil has no nap and you can nest the pieces for maximum fabric usage. I got one for a size 12 out of just under 3 yds, also 45 wide, but I really enjoy geometry. . Look at The Seven Sacraments and a Deposition by Jan van Eyck and the Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams visible. Good luck with the project, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart
Terri wrote: Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the Bess of Hardwick red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites and could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that had it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? If you know the URL for the site, you may be able to recover is via the Wayback Machine. Link here, plug in your URL, and work through the list of archive dates. http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html Good luck, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color
Bjarne- Click on the link again, and then enter 63.43.1 in the search box on the left to get to the picture. The URL was too long and it truncated in Monica's post. -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking early edition of Norris
I have a facsimile (pre-photocopies) made by a friend at the Library of Congress in the early 70's. There is no date on the frontispiece, but it was published by J M Dent and Sons, Ltd, London, and the preface by Norris is dated 1924. What do you need? -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] Seeking early edition of Norris Does anyone on the list have in their own collection a copy of the original editions of Herbert Norris's Costume Fashion, vol. 2 (Senlac to Bosworth, 1066-1485) -- as opposed to the Dover reprint? I need to compare a passage in two printings: 1927 and 1931. The Dover reprint is supposedly a republication of the 1927 edition, but the quote I'm looking at very likely refers to another work that wasn't published till 1928. Thus my quandary. I need to know which of them was drawing on the other, and that means figuring out when Norris first made his statement. I can probably get one via ILL, but I don't think I can get both simultaneously. If necessary, I'll start running around to the local university libraries, but I thought I'd try here first. If it turns out the quote is in only one volume, I can try to ILL that from here. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
Glad to hear it got there; enjoy, -Helen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] french translation again
Bjarne- Here's a translation to English: Notification of a delay in delivery Chapter Order Number 1684054 Amazon Order Number 736-2550099-8381908 Dear Drews Leif, We have received your order of 12/28/2006:14:48:00. Despite all our efforts, we were not able to send you the items at this time. We are very sorry. We will make every effort to send them to you as soon as possible. The item or one of the items in your order has not been delivered to us yet by the publisher or our suppliers. Please be patient for a few days. As soon as possible, we will notify you by e-mail with the status of your order and a delivery date. Thank you for your understanding. Hope this helps, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
The catalogue is gone, but if you send me your mailing address, I'll send you a CD-Rom of the scans of all the pages. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Voncile W. Dudley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin I'm late checking my email. I would love to have any books that needs a good home especially garments from the 15th century up. Lady Von Hope I am not to late! - Original Message - From: Helen Pinto To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin In the process of (finally) unpacking my books, I've been finding things that could use a home other than mine. I have a Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin from back in the days when they sent members these glossy books every quarter. It's from the costume collection and contains large, high-quality pictures of garments from 1695 through the early 1950's, including microphotographs of some of the embroidered detail of the garments. It's nice to look at, but way past anything I'm really interested in. So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone fancies, and the whole thing can belong to the first person who asks for it. (You have two weeks to ask for the pictures, then I'll mail it.) The highlights: - Complete embroidered woman's dress from 1695 - Four men's 18th c embroidered coats, one uncut, one with original embroidery cartoon, one with pants and vest - Men's banyans - Assorted women's 18c dresses, one with panniers, most sack-backed, all embroidered or hand-painted, 1740's - 1795 - Assorted women's 19c outfits, day dresses, evening wear, several from each decade - Assorted women's 20c outfits, evening wear, suits, etc, up to the 50's -Helen/Aidan - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
debs wrote: don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though. Probably crespine. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
Saragrace- E-mailing scans did not work out. I've been sending out CD-Rom's, but I don't have a mailing address for you. Send it to me, and I'll send you a CD. Happy holidays, -Helen - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Ditto for me! Thanks! - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drewsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Oh please think of me with the 1695 gown and all the 18th century things? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin
Trying to send the scans took down Outlook and crashed the computer (Microsoft is blaming Norton, who's blaming Verizon, who's blaming Microsoft, and so on). Everything is restored except for a few e-mails. We're going to do this the old-fashioned way. If you want the scans, send me your mailing address and I'll send you one of the CD's I made while on perpetual hold with customer support tonight. You'll just have to have all the pictures... -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ?
The color plates are from Vecellio's costume book, but the site and text are Norweigian. The picture in question of the spinning woman has the text attached in Italian and Latin, with a Norweigian translation on the side. I have some Italian and Latin, almost no Norweigian, but here's a sense of the text: Northern Women- In the north, where it's night for two or three months, in order to provide light, women of a middle station carry bundles of wood in their belts to burn like candles. They wear long dresses of heavy cloth and carry a bag for the linen they are spinning, and carry a lit stick in their mouths to light their way when they go spinning on the road. I missed a few words, but it's definitely not a pipe. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates
The images are from a book. I own it- somewhere in one of the boxes of books waiting to be unpacked. I can't remember the title, but it came out at least twenty years ago. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Link costume (sorta historical-ish)
Susan wrote: My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the Legends of Zelda video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's *fun* Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the dang thing! Try an image search at altavista ( www.altavista.com ). Click on Image in the tool bar, then search on link +zelda, and you will get over 10 pages of images, some full-length, and some even of people in costume as Link. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit
Wow. Just wow. I can't wait to see the pictures of the finished suit. From what I can see on my monitor, your flowers look like the tsar's. As for too much, I don't think so- it actually seems kind of subtle and refined. Just beautiful. Thanks for sharing the pictures and go enjoy that weekend. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] bad luck!
Bjarne wrote had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess reenacting is canselled this season... Don't let a difficult piece of fabric get in the way of having a good time. You recently wrote of a wonderful weekend you had, most especially of the company you kept. While making and wearing the clothes are a big part of the re-enactment, what really keeps you around are the friends you make. I know you were set on having that new suit, but we've all seen pictures of your wardrobe of beautiful clothing. Pack some of it in a suitcase and go enjoy yourself. Ignore the yellow, and work on the green suit when you have the time. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: The Shadow
Gail wrote: Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? Here's a link to a photo gallery from the movie (from IMDB): http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/1994/Shadow/ -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person
Marie wrote: But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward... I don't know anyone who can do both knit and crochet. I'm with you. I can knit, standing up in the subway even, but I can't crochet worth a damn. I end up with a twisty thing that won't lie flat. Now my grandmother could do both, sort of a human perpetual motion machine. Annual output: 2 sweaters each per son and grandchild, 1 per daughter-in-law and other miscellaneous extended family, plus hats, scarves, and mittens for all, including the crossing guards. And these amazing two-piece dresses for herself that I swear she knitted on toothpicks. The crochet haul included assorted afghans, laces tablecloths, antimacassars and doilies. And she quilted. And sewed. And gardened. And cooked. All day. I learned a lot from her. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] French site help dating
Kimiko wrote: Anyway, I found this lovely site that has images I had never seen before. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Catalogue/NoticesInd/MAN01080.htm Would anyone know what specific time frame these are from other than 16th century (I kinda get that), and perhaps any further information, in English? and be willing to share that with me? The images on the page are from Ovid's _Heroides_, which is written in the form of letters from famous women (mostly mythological) of antiquity to their lovers. IIRC, all the affairs ended badly. Anyway, the illuminated manuscript is MS Francais 874, held in the Bibliotheque Nationale de France in Paris, and it is believed to have been created sometime between 1498 and 1502. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] quickie textile guide
Ann wrote: The linen-rayon blends are generally cheaper than 100% linen. They are a good compromise if necessary. They have the added benefit of making the fabric less wrinkle prone. This statement is just not true. While linen does crease badly, rayon wrinkles like crazy. Besides, I don't recall seeing this particular blend. Cotton/linen, yes, and polyester/rayon (your linen look), yes. There are plenty of linen/rayon blends out there; I could buy more right now, if I wasn't still working from my stash. I've been making clothes from both linen/rayon and cotton/linen blends since the 1970's. Adding either fibre to the linen doesn't eliminate the wrinkles, but it does greatly soften the creases, in proportion to the mix. (80/20 blends are crisper than 50/50 blends) The prices on blends are less than on 100% linen, and usually increase as the percentage of linen goes up. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk chiffon and tulle
When I got my set of swatches from Dharma a couple of years ago, I was surprised to find out that the barely there veiling in all those Italian portraits was a real fabric. (My taste runs to linen and wool with interesting weaves.) Dharma has white silk gauze in two weights and widths, here: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1639206-AA.shtml and they'll send you a swatch for just a quarter. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: opera dvds
Fran wrote: Johann Strauss is a different matter. The 1883 Royal Opera Covent Garden DVD of Die Fledermaus, is pretty good, except for sticking some other random performers into one act as a sort of variety show. There are other well-reviewed versions. Totally unrelated guest performers/performances at the party are an old Fledermaus tradition. Sometimes dance performances, too. The musical performaces are kept light, nothing too dramatic, and occasionally there's a big surprise when someone steps away from their genre, or even voice type. The list usually depends on who's in town. Sometimes there are even non-singing guests of honor at the party. In a performance at the Kennedy Centre a couple of years ago, Supreme Court Justices Ginsburg, Kennedy, and Breyer, in their robes, were introduced as guests supreme and escorted to their places on honor on the big red velvet ottoman downstage. She was carrying this huge black fan. Placido Domingo and tango dancers performed. I saw it last year on Great Performances on PBS. What a hoot. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes
Cheryl wrote: I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them escapes me. Still-suits. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering
Rebecca wrote: I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for this passage so he can read it in context. The lines are #453-455 in the General Prologue. The wife's description is between that of the physician and the parson. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear
angela wrote: Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, If what you're looking for is US military uniforms, do an image search at www.altavista.com on bonus march, which was in 1932, and 1930's + strikes and you will get plenty of images of army uniforms. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear
I should have paid more attention to the title, but the search on 1930's strikes should also get you pictures of steel and auto workers. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gifts for brits
debs wrote: you don't have flavoured crisps?? It depends on where in the US you live. I lived in New York City most of my life, and even four years ago, there were only four or five commonly available. Then I moved to western Pennsylvania, where there are more than a dozen. Go figure. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps?
British == American Chips == Fries Crisps == Chips Once again, two countries separated by a common language. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes
Kimiko wrote: Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. The calendar is even funnier close-up and in person, since there's a lot of detail you can't see in thumbnails. Chick-Fil-A is a fast-food chicken place, slightly more upscale than KFC. (Disclaimer- I've never eaten there; I've only been in one last month to buy calendars...) You can either buy the calendar on-line at their website or save on postage and get one in-store. http://www.chickfila.com/home.asp The calendar comes up on the home page, and if you click on locations on the top bar, you can search for a location near you. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] bossoms
Let Them Eat Cake was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures
Thanks for the pictures and the extra info on the garments. It was great to see. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents
Elena wrote: , in the neatest decorated paper box. The box has a great back-story. It's called a Mrs Yabe box and I learned the pattern from Barry Morentz, another calligrapher. He was studying paper-making in Japan for several months, and when he left, his landlady (Mrs Yabe) gave him a gift of those Japanese sweets that are just too beautiful to eat, in a box she had made herself. Of course, he took it apart when he got home- the stiffener was a recycled yoghurt container. The pattern's been getting passed along ever since. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Another mysterious gift giver
All I know about my partner is that the package originated in the Netherlands, so I'll just have to thank you here for the nice beads and pendants, and wish you all the best for the holidays. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] light table
Bjarne- While I use my light box primarily working on paper, I have also used it to transfer designs to cloth when making banners, small theatre drops, and wall hangings. The last time I used it on fabric, the 8W fluorescent lamp inside was able to make the design easily seen through heavy white cotton duck and colored felt. Mine is 24x30, and for larger projects, you just set up a grid and do it section by section. You may not need anything that large, and there are some small ones currently available in the craft departments that have the same wattage, and are available for less than $50US. Alternatively, you can use a sheet of glass or perspex propped up over a small under-the-counter kitchen kitchen fluorescent light, which costs about $13US. (Before I had a light box, I used to work on a glass-topped table with a desk lamp underneath it.) Used X-ray readers also work, and you might be able to find a used one cheaply. It's a wonderful thing to have, and makes a lot of work so much easier. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historical action figures
- Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historical action figures
Thank you for that link; it certainly cheered up my day. Although I am not a big fan of unicorns, I could be persuaded to make an exception for the one on this site... -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] For the costumers
griz wrote: St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. I know I do! That's two for today. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. You're not the only one. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi
Debs wrote: And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. I think you're referring to Fairy Tale: A True Story. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what do you call this?
Dawn wrote: I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help me? and No, it's not cotton tape or twill tape. It has a much coarser, 'braided' weave to it, which allows it to conform to the curve of the hat brim _like_ a bias tape. Cotton twill tape doesn't flex like this. You might be thinking of foldover braid. There's some here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/FO3.shtml and an enlargement here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/images/F-21.jpg -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays
Sue wrote: I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). Mozart is considered classical, along with Haydn and early Beethoven. Classicism is between Baroque and Romantic. -Helen/Aidan (Who grew up not especially liking opera, since it was blasted in our house every waking moment my father was not at work. Of course, my opinion changed in my late teens. I'm also not a 19th c music fan for the most part (give me Bach and Mozart); most of it is too schmaltzy for my taste, except for some of the national/folkloric stuff. There's some good stuff in the 20th c, but definitely not that serial stuff.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper
Carol wrote: I saw a commercial on TV for a new Swiffer - it's for carpets and has a sticky pad on the inside to catch the sweepings. I just used mine for the first time, and it pulled everything off the rug- beads, crumbs, hair, thread. You don't want to look at the pad too closely when you take it out. It works. The downside is probably going to be the cost, since replacement pads cost $4 for 12. A good old-fashioned carpet sweeper will probably be more cost effective. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wool felt source?
Try Weir Dolls: http://www.weirdolls.com/fabrics/100felt.html They have a medium weight 100% wool felt in over 40 colors by the yard or in pieces. Hope this helps; good luck with your project. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: What are These?
My guess is tassels, hanging from two cords forming a V-shape. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What are These?
McClure, Kate wrote: The seventh image down on this page http://www.wga.hu/index1.html -- that's the frame location, not the image you want us to look at. Can you figure out the URL of the actual image? The easiest way is to give the name of the artist, and we can go directly to him/her from the index page. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] A previous question
Robin wrote: Do you mean this? http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/nazareth/bagatti/colfigs/bagatti-pl43-4.jpg What I was looking for was a painting, but thanks for this, because it will at least give me an entry point into the archives. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] why renaissance and not 18th century?
Julie wrote: What was that Hugh Jackman and Meg Ryan movie? YUM. Kate Leopold. I second the YUM. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lab coats
I think you're referring to a coat with a standing color, buttons across one shoulder, and then down the side of the chest, right? For the long-sleeved version (also long in length), try an image search for pictures of civilian and maybe military doctors from the influenza epidemic of 1918 or any of the polio epidemics pre WWII. The short-sleeved (and shorter) version was standard wear for hospital interns up through the 1960's. Any image search for Ben Casey or Dr Kildare should turn up plenty of pictures. The short-sleeved version was also worn by dentists and pharmacists up through the 60's and maybe a bit beyond. Disclaimer- look for images from the US; I don't know about the rest of the world. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question
KP wrote: It's not just his term: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionaryva=ouch Very cool. A new, accurate, but obsolete, word. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Future garments again
Regina wrote: On the other hand doesn't it seem like current western fashion (shirts, pants, etc.) have pretty much taken over from traditional garments? India is one of the few places where I see women in things like sari's, salwar's and cameeze. Even then the children are frequently in pants and shirts that look like they originally came from a US catalogue. That certainly depends on where you live. I recently moved from Jackson Heights (Queens County, New York City), after almost 30 years there. The place is often referred to as Little India and traditional clothes are pretty common except for the kids, who mostly dress like the other kids. The heavy shopping strip consists of: sari/salwar suit store, restaurant, jewelry store, video store, appliance store, repeat, repeat, repeat. The wedding stuff is just amazing. Sundays are the best, when the adult women break out their best saris and kameezes to go out to eat. The fabric and embroidery are to die for. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Indian clothing was: Future garments again
It's unofficially Little India, although there was a move to make it official several years ago, including changing the street signs to be changed into Taj Mahal shapes... Jackson Heights is a historical district (turn of the last century original garden apartments), and the change didn't fly. Little India occupies part of the commercial district. Jackson Heights is in north Queens. The stores are mostly on 74th St between Roosevelt Ave and 37th Ave, on 37th Ave between about 72nd and 77th Sts, some more under the el (Roosevelt), and a bit on the other side streets. There is a stop on the subway right on the corner for several subway lines - the station is called Roosevelt Ave - 74th St - the Flushing train and the Jamaica/Forest Hills trains all stop there. (The Flushing train is an elevated line, the others are below ground.) Driving is also possible, but parking is scarce, the spaces are metered, the parking police are clairvoyant, and the traffic can be brutal. One of the biggest stores is called India Sari Palace, at 37-07 74th St; most are smaller. There is also another shopping area in Flushing near Main St and Kissena, and one in Jamaica. I've been in Pittsburgh for almost three years now, but I doubt the neighborhood has changed much. If you go, give it a few hours, and have lunch/dinner at the Jackson Diner (on 74th St, halfway down the block). Despite the name, it is an Indian restaurant. It started in an old diner down the block and they never changed the sign. About 7 years ago, they moved to the old Woolworths, where there is room. --Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question
Kimiko wrote: I also need ouches or something similar for the hats I am working on OK, I'll bite- what are ouches? -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
