Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Viv Watkins]

Hello Susan

As Catherine says there are several smocks in the V & A. This is their 
collections page - http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/t/the-collections/ You can 
search on 'smock'.  There are several early women's smocks and the 
traditional work smocks.  Another title you may be interested in is 'The 
Countryman's Smock' by Anne Buck - reprint from Folk Life; it does not 
mention any smocks being for women.  I think it must be a very rare title, 
it is not listed on Amazon but you may be able to find a copy. In the UK we 
are able to request books from the British Library through our local 
libraries, a wonderful service.  Do you have anything similar?


Viv.

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From: Catherine Walton

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad
Press Ltd., London, 1987).  The section on the history of the English
smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on
the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes:  "Milkmaids -
churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.".  An embroidery pattern included with
the book is for these symbols.

It also says that:  "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced
before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their
greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of
the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert
Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county
museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham.

Catherine. 


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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Wanda pease]

Regina Romsey still hanging on!

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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Viv Watkins <croxt...@vivwatkins.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Susan
> 
> As Catherine says there are several smocks in the V & A. This is their 
> collections page - http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/t/the-collections/ You can 
> search on 'smock'.  There are several early women's smocks and the 
> traditional work smocks.  Another title you may be interested in is 'The 
> Countryman's Smock' by Anne Buck - reprint from Folk Life; it does not 
> mention any smocks being for women.  I think it must be a very rare title, it 
> is not listed on Amazon but you may be able to find a copy. In the UK we are 
> able to request books from the British Library through our local libraries, a 
> wonderful service.  Do you have anything similar?
> 
> Viv.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Catherine Walton
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:02 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
> 
> I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad
> Press Ltd., London, 1987).  The section on the history of the English
> smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on
> the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes:  "Milkmaids -
> churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.".  An embroidery pattern included with
> the book is for these symbols.
> 
> It also says that:  "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced
> before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their
> greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of
> the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert
> Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county
> museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham.
> 
> Catherine. 
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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Kate Bunting]

Hi, Susan,
I take it you mean the agricultural worker's smock? (Smock was also used as
a synonym for a woman's shift or chemise.) I've never heard of the outer
garment being worn by women.

Kate Bunting

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Susan  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm still here.  I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists,
> so happy to see people.
>
> Since you're all here ...  I've just gotten interested in english smocks
> (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one.  I've requested a bunch
> of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of
> them. But ...
>
> Did women wear the traditional smocks?  in any era?
>
> thanks, Susan c (in seattle)
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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[annbwass]

You mean the farmer's big overshirt, right? (I ask because "smock" was also 
used as a term for a woman's shift or chemise, at least in parts of England. 
Read about smock races sometime.) Do you have the Shire album on the subject? 
 Also try "Dress of the People." I suspect the answer to your question, though, 
is probably not, but next to impossible to ferret out. If women did, they were 
probably rural residents doing hard work on farms, and, unless there is a stray 
traveler's account somewhere, unlikely to be recorded.

Ann Wass

 

 

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From: Susan <scour...@nwlink.com>
To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 12:10 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?  & smock question

Hi all,
I'm still here.  I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so 
happy to see people.

Since you're all here ...  I've just gotten interested in english smocks 
(18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch of 
books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. 
But ...

Did women wear the traditional smocks?  in any era?

thanks, Susan c (in seattle) 

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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Susan]

Hi,

Yes, the farmers smock frocks.  That a woman's shift is also called a smock 
makes it a bit hard to research on the web.   I've requested the Alice Armes 
book, another book by Beverly Marshall that says it has some history, the 
shire book, and "A Surrey smock: in the Weybridge Museum collection".  The 
last three are in aux stacks so i won't get them for a bit.


I was thinking of doing some regency era events over the next year and of 
using a smock as a lightwieght coat.


Susan

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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question


You mean the farmer's big overshirt, right? (I ask because "smock" was 
also used as a term for a woman's shift or chemise, at least in parts of 
England. Read about smock races sometime.) Do you have the Shire album on 
the subject?
Also try "Dress of the People." I suspect the answer to your question, 
though, is probably not, but next to impossible to ferret out. If women 
did, they were probably rural residents doing hard work on farms, and, 
unless there is a stray traveler's account somewhere, unlikely to be 
recorded.


Ann Wass





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From: Susan <scour...@nwlink.com>
To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 12:10 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?  & smock question

Hi all,
I'm still here.  I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, 
so

happy to see people.

Since you're all here ...  I've just gotten interested in english smocks
(18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch 
of
books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of 
them.

But ...

Did women wear the traditional smocks?  in any era?

thanks, Susan c (in seattle)

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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Catherine Walton]

Hello Susan,
I've sent a reply to the list, but it hasn't appeared yet, so I'll copy 
it below.

Catherine.

On 18/12/2015 05:10, Susan wrote:

Hi all,
I'm still here.  I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email 
lists, so happy to see people.


Since you're all here ...  I've just gotten interested in english 
smocks (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one.  I've 
requested a bunch of books from the library, and this question might 
be answered in one of them. But ...


Did women wear the traditional smocks?  in any era?

thanks, Susan c (in seattle)
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I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad
Press Ltd., London, 1987).  The section on the history of the English
smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on
the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes:  "Milkmaids -
churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.".  An embroidery pattern included with
the book is for these symbols.

It also says that:  "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced
before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their
greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of
the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert
Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county
museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham.

Catherine.



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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?

[Deb Salisbury, Mantua-Maker]

I'm here. :-) I've been taking time off sewing to write, too.

Love, love the mouse-proof garment idea!

Happy sewing,
   Deb Salisbury
   The Mantua-Maker
   Quality Historical Sewing Patterns
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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?

[franchesca.havas]

Still here. :)

Franchesca

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Sent: ‎12/‎17/‎2015 1:37 PM
To: "h-cost...@indra.com" <h-cost...@indra.com>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?

I'm here. :-) I've been taking time off sewing to write, too.

Love, love the mouse-proof garment idea!

Happy sewing,
Deb Salisbury
The Mantua-Maker
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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here?

[Joan Jurancich]

 

I'm still around, though I've been neglecting my email for a while. 

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> Still here. :)
> 
> Franchesca
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: ‎12/‎17/‎2015 1:37 PM
> To: "h-cost...@indra.com" 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whos still here?
> 
> Im here. :-) Ive been taking time off sewing to write, too.
> 
> Love, love the mouse-proof garment idea!
> 
> Happy sewing,
> Deb Salisbury
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Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question

[Susan]

Hi all,
I'm still here.  I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so 
happy to see people.


Since you're all here ...  I've just gotten interested in english smocks 
(18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one.  I've requested a bunch of 
books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. 
But ...


Did women wear the traditional smocks?  in any era?

thanks, Susan c (in seattle) 


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