Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Regina Romsey still hanging on! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Viv Watkins wrote: > > Hello Susan > > As Catherine says there are several smocks in the V & A. This is their > collections page - http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/t/the-collections/ You can > search on 'smock'. There are several early women's smocks and the > traditional work smocks. Another title you may be interested in is 'The > Countryman's Smock' by Anne Buck - reprint from Folk Life; it does not > mention any smocks being for women. I think it must be a very rare title, it > is not listed on Amazon but you may be able to find a copy. In the UK we are > able to request books from the British Library through our local libraries, a > wonderful service. Do you have anything similar? > > Viv. > > -Original Message- From: Catherine Walton > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:02 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question > > I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad > Press Ltd., London, 1987). The section on the history of the English > smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on > the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes: "Milkmaids - > churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.". An embroidery pattern included with > the book is for these symbols. > > It also says that: "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced > before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their > greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of > the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert > Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county > museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham. > > Catherine. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Hello Susan As Catherine says there are several smocks in the V & A. This is their collections page - http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/t/the-collections/ You can search on 'smock'. There are several early women's smocks and the traditional work smocks. Another title you may be interested in is 'The Countryman's Smock' by Anne Buck - reprint from Folk Life; it does not mention any smocks being for women. I think it must be a very rare title, it is not listed on Amazon but you may be able to find a copy. In the UK we are able to request books from the British Library through our local libraries, a wonderful service. Do you have anything similar? Viv. -Original Message- From: Catherine Walton Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:02 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad Press Ltd., London, 1987). The section on the history of the English smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes: "Milkmaids - churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.". An embroidery pattern included with the book is for these symbols. It also says that: "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham. Catherine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Hello Susan, I've sent a reply to the list, but it hasn't appeared yet, so I'll copy it below. Catherine. On 18/12/2015 05:10, Susan wrote: Hi all, I'm still here. I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so happy to see people. Since you're all here ... I've just gotten interested in english smocks (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. But ... Did women wear the traditional smocks? in any era? thanks, Susan c (in seattle) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I have the Shire book by Alice Armes, "English Smocks", (9th ed., Dryad Press Ltd., London, 1987). The section on the history of the English smock only refers to men wearing smocks, but there is a later section on the trade emblems embroidered on the smocks includes: "Milkmaids - churns, butter pats, hearts, etc.". An embroidery pattern included with the book is for these symbols. It also says that: "Elaborately decorated smocks were not produced before the middle of the eighteenth century, and they reached their greatest perfection in the early part of the nineteenth century." Two of the illustrations are photographs of smocks in the Victoria and Albert Museum, so their site could be worth a search; others are from county museums, such as the Castle Museum, Nottingham. Catherine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Hi, Yes, the farmers smock frocks. That a woman's shift is also called a smock makes it a bit hard to research on the web. I've requested the Alice Armes book, another book by Beverly Marshall that says it has some history, the shire book, and "A Surrey smock: in the Weybridge Museum collection". The last three are in aux stacks so i won't get them for a bit. I was thinking of doing some regency era events over the next year and of using a smock as a lightwieght coat. Susan - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question You mean the farmer's big overshirt, right? (I ask because "smock" was also used as a term for a woman's shift or chemise, at least in parts of England. Read about smock races sometime.) Do you have the Shire album on the subject? Also try "Dress of the People." I suspect the answer to your question, though, is probably not, but next to impossible to ferret out. If women did, they were probably rural residents doing hard work on farms, and, unless there is a stray traveler's account somewhere, unlikely to be recorded. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Susan To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 12:10 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question Hi all, I'm still here. I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so happy to see people. Since you're all here ... I've just gotten interested in english smocks (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. But ... Did women wear the traditional smocks? in any era? thanks, Susan c (in seattle) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
You mean the farmer's big overshirt, right? (I ask because "smock" was also used as a term for a woman's shift or chemise, at least in parts of England. Read about smock races sometime.) Do you have the Shire album on the subject? Also try "Dress of the People." I suspect the answer to your question, though, is probably not, but next to impossible to ferret out. If women did, they were probably rural residents doing hard work on farms, and, unless there is a stray traveler's account somewhere, unlikely to be recorded. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Susan To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 12:10 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question Hi all, I'm still here. I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so happy to see people. Since you're all here ... I've just gotten interested in english smocks (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. But ... Did women wear the traditional smocks? in any era? thanks, Susan c (in seattle) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Hi, Susan, I take it you mean the agricultural worker's smock? (Smock was also used as a synonym for a woman's shift or chemise.) I've never heard of the outer garment being worn by women. Kate Bunting On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Susan wrote: > Hi all, > I'm still here. I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, > so happy to see people. > > Since you're all here ... I've just gotten interested in english smocks > (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch > of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of > them. But ... > > Did women wear the traditional smocks? in any era? > > thanks, Susan c (in seattle) > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who's still here? & smock question
Hi all, I'm still here. I get fed up with facebook, and rarely with email lists, so happy to see people. Since you're all here ... I've just gotten interested in english smocks (18th - 19th c ones) and was debating making one. I've requested a bunch of books from the library, and this question might be answered in one of them. But ... Did women wear the traditional smocks? in any era? thanks, Susan c (in seattle) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume