Re: [h-cost] Catching up
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:42:52 -0700 From: Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 02:07 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote: I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com It looks like embroidery to me, with needle lace around the medallion. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Penny - I have only ever seen it spelled filet, but the pattern you sent for 'lattice' looks like what I would call filet. However, Joan may be right about the lace medallions - when I first looked at them I wasn't sure they were filet, because of the irregular shapes in the upper halves. It's only really the lower parts of the meshwork that look like filet. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Claire, Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used interchanged. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching Up
One more time...Rebecca suggested lattice crochet. I found this example of a lattice bookmark: http://www.yarncat.com/mybookmark.html . This example does look like what is on the dress. But other images that I found on http://www.crochetpatterncentral.com/search.php look kinda like the pattern but not as much as the fillet pattern. Are both these patterns similar? Which would be the proper term to call the pattern on the dress? I am so confused. Does anyone know the website to change your membership status for the historic needlework email list? I know there are h-costumers that are on h-needlework. I changed to no mail when I was out of town, and lost my email with directions to change back my status to receiving mail. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
This is not crotched. Its needle lace Penny, if you look at the right corner above the medallions, you can see some round loops on each center bar. Either this, or it could be a combination of crotched and needlelace. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Claire, Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used interchanged. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
At 02:07 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote: I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com It looks like embroidery to me, with needle lace around the medallion. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
1. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . This is a skirt section of a dress. The overdress has two panels hanging from the waist. They are gathered on the hanging end and married by a rosette. My questions: Is there a period term for these hanging panels? I know I have seen this same type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even recall the name for this type of curtains. 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Hi Penny, is it 'filet' you mean? Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Catching Up
First, I want to thank everyone who helped two weeks ago with the dance terms and origins from the Ringling Mansion's Ballroom murals. I compiled most of your answers and put them on the slideshow. I know have a website for all the slideshows. You can see them at www.costumeslideshows.com . Scroll down to the John and Mabel Ringling Museum of Art and click on the Ballroom to view the show. The American Dance panels are still questionable. But I am researching. I am sorry for being late with the thank yous. I have been working on several slideshows. My contract with Ringling is that all their images, are free access but can not be saved to the visitors computers. Last week, I added another slideshow from the Ringling Museum's Circus Collection. This showcases 30 costumes with 95 photos. I am alternating between putting slideshows online for the Ringling collection and VCU's. When I finish the VCU slideshow that I am working on, I will be putting online either John Ringling wardrobe from the 1920s-early 1930s or Mrs. Ringling rose garden statues...all representing the 1700s. H-costume was also discussing the HBO mini-series John Adams. A good bit of the show was filmed in the Richmond, Virginia area. A large set was built just north of the Richmond and used for early Boston, early and late Philly. My son, Patrick, worked as a CGI extra for the reading of the Declaration of Independence (DofI) scene. He took my camera to set and photographed the fifteen CGI extras. I have a slideshow of these people on my slideshow site. It is also free access. The business owner who supplied these costumes for the JA series was a member of h-costume. I am not sure if she is still on the list, but I met her here. The mini-series has a special On-Demand about how CGI was used heavily in the making of the show. For example, the bottom floor of Independence Hall was on set in Richmond, the upper floor and roof was CGI-ed in. Well, this group of CGI extras, were not really present when the principal actors read the DofI. They moved around on set and wer! e filmed then they were CGI-ed into the scene. The first second of the Reading scene on film, we counted my son at least 10 times. Easy to spot the long brown ponytail...which is his natural hair and hairstyle. I need more help, please (batting my eyelashes, if that would help.) I am writing descriptions for dresses from 1910-1914. My memory is brain-dead on a couple of terms. Can you please look at two photographs and let me know what the terms are called. 1. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . This is a skirt section of a dress. The overdress has two panels hanging from the waist. They are gathered on the hanging end and married by a rosette. My questions: Is there a period term for these hanging panels? I know I have seen this same type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even recall the name for this type of curtains. 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching Up
I don't know about Image 1, but Image 2 is bordered by what my Grandmother called lattice work. I don't know if that is general usage, but that is what I know it to be. --- Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . This is a skirt section of a dress. The overdress has two panels hanging from the waist. They are gathered on the hanging end and married by a rosette. My questions: Is there a period term for these hanging panels? I know I have seen this same type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even recall the name for this type of curtains. 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Catching up on old miniseries [was, Virgin Queen]
And I'm seeing for the 1st time the Bleak House with Gillian Anderson. I liked very much the Diana Rigg version. This one is much bleaker...babba bing. Everyone looks great, but it's all too grey and dreary so far. I know much of it is SUPPOSED to be but part of that is the contrast with the not so dreary places. Everywhere is grey in this production so far. Gillian looks great [and is quite good, but I expected her to be], still there is something about her lookI can't put my finger on it... The Deadlock's world should be posh and expensive and full of the things that everyone wants, but at the same time empty and cold. All that Victorian brickerbrack should somehow appear unsatisfying. So far it's just dark. And the weird sorta space-age transitions...swoosh! Wassup w'that? But I've got a long way to go so I don't want to be hard on it. It's really quite good in spite of my vague complaints. I also saw for the 1st time Gangs of New York. Boy...Leo does nothing for me and Cameron Diazshudder! Still, Daniel Day Lewis is as usual amazing. I like the costumes. I didn't mind the strange mix of oriental stuff when they're in the oriental circus. And the upper crust ladies and gents look fantasticthough there are few of those. I liked the color put into the gangs, and the dandy look of the leaders. This is just a notion taken from today's gangs rendered in period. And since the thing is a fairy taleeven though it used a few historical events...a little imagination doesn't bother me. I just like Sandy Powell's style, and that's all there is to it. I should go watch Orlando and Velvet Goldmine again ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Catching up
Wow, just a few days and my inbox is overflowing. Three day weekend meant I wasn't able to get online very much, but finally got through the discussions on various topics - all interesting and educational, or at least entertaining. ;-) Most of the comments and observances I had have already been made by others, however... SCA - from my limited esperience the SCA has evolved over time. There seem to be a larger percentage of folks interested in historical accuracy than 20 years ago. It seems that the parameters have changed as well - when I first encountered the SCA it was predominantly Western European based. Now I hear that any culture within the 600 to 1600 period that had some type of contact with Western Europe is acceptable, which explains the wide variety of garb. An excerpt from an SCA article states, ...describe the SCA as recreating the Middle Ages as they ought to have been. A better description is that we selectively recreate medieval culture, choosing elements of the culture that interest and attract us. (from http://www.sca.org/sca-intro.html) And as Lilinah said, many events are open to the public. An attempt to dress 'period' by visitors and newcomers is appreciated and basic loaner garb is provided. I took my niece to an event a couple of weekends ago, and we found a wonderful T tunic type dress for her to borrow that was quite accurate. (Was also pleased that the little tom-boy commented the dress was really comfortable!) Hippies - 40 years old is an ageing hippie?! Anyone 40 is a little too young to be classified as an original unless their parents were. - let alone be classified as an ageing anything! ;-D Most folks strive to establish their own identity by living outside the mainstream in one way or another. Some are just more extreme than others - and as another person commented, things no longer shock as they once did since we have become accustomed to diversity. That being said, when I see some of the retro fashions that have been popular the last few years I usually find myself thinking...ug, that was horrible when we wore it the first time around! (re: polyester; bellbottom hip-huggers; acid green anything; extremely bright, lid to eyebrow eyeshadow; disco music; etc...JMO.) Anyway - glad to be back and love finding all the resources mentioned. Annette M __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
