Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg
Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the
minimal
Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls?
Lauren
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Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting:
An question: what is it about the vinegar rinse that restores crispness? Is
it just the base neutralizing the soap residue, or something more
interesting?
The exact opposite. Soaps, detergents, and other things of the kind,
are almost always basic, except for some very specific products made
Sounds like she just wrote base when she meant acid (in the vinegar)
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An
Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography,
of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional
thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have
thought she would have worn?
Jean
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Do the fillets on
Hi, Patty,
Thanks for having faith in me! I did mis-speak -- I meant to call vinegar an
acid and soap a base. Audrey-- thank you for the explanation. I didn't think of
soaps attacking animal fibers, but that makes sense.
Thanks again to you both!
Lauren
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Having often been amazed at the things that come out of my keyboard unbidden, I
understood right away.
P.
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Unmarried maidens in the Maciejowski Bible wear fillets and their hair
down--I can't at the moment bring any other examples to mind without
the library being to hand, though. I *would*, however, like to see more
manuscripts from the same time and similar places to compare before I feel
It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both
manuscripts (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation
in headgear in the men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show
an unconventional lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C?
Beth
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38
I was just thinking that very thing. Sort of romanticizing this apparently
Bohemian (in the hippy sense) woman.
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It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts
(the few that were there) show
Uh-oh. Whenever I let slip that I think anything might be evidence of the
existence of unconventional persons in any time period before the 19th century,
I know that shortly I will get shot down for it. You guys better duck!
;-)
Lauren
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Hi,
Making historical costumes fitted to myself and others has made me so much more
critical of the ways modern commercial clothes make me look even worse than I
have to! I gained a bunch of weight over the past couple of years that I'm
having trouble getting rid of, and yet I still have to
You might look for petite sizes. They are made for persons with shorter
torsos.
Kim
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Yeah, thank you. The petites are usually too short above the waist or too
stingy in the bust. That's why I was hoping to be able to alter regular items
instead.
Thanks again.
Lauren
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From: Kim Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You might look for petite
I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the late, great Medieval
Women calendars. :( I think I still have most of the ones I bought,
though they're a bit big and awkward to store.
Methinks someone could probably make a tidy profit by doing somethng
like that again!
On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the minimal headcovering
(a ribbon?). On the page 93 detail, note the fur lined cloak and
what appears to be buttons down the front bodice (buttons are shown
along the sleeves of the GFD
giggle
I've put the pictures on the Tudor tailor list already. There will be
a how-to along in a bit. T'warnt hard.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tudor_Tailor_Reader/photos
If you're a member, look for the photo album named Cin's gowns or
somesuch. The supportasse is the 1st 2 pics in the
Or Sally Queen's costumes from museums calendars. I loved those. The
details! However, I'm one of the handful on this list who believes that the
clothes from as recently as the 1960s are historic. (and yes, I lived them.)
LynnD
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These are from two different manuscript copies (the BNE Ms. francais
854 Chansonnier provencal I and the BNE Ms. francais 12473
Chansonnier provencal K.. from copies in France)... but I would
also like to see additional. I have a copy of the Maciejowski Bible
and am looking for other images.
Yes, I was a bit sloppy calling this a GFD. Sorry. Only the elbow to
wrist is closely fitted and buttoned. The rest is the standard loose
'tunica' of rectilinear construction. You can see some seam evidence
(where the arms are attached) in some of the images.
Beth
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008
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