Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-22 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 21, 2007, at 2:58 PM, E House wrote: Melanie, do you have any idea how the felt was stiffened? I have a big bag full of wool dryer lint I've been meaning to experiment with, and an even bigger bag of teeny tiny wool scraps... Arnold doesn't say, and I'm afraid I have no

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-22 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 21, 2007, at 6:47 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: I wrote that it appears to have been specified when it was stiffened with glue as opposed to not, not that it was always a stiffened material. Sorry if that was a little unclear. It was clear. I was just hoping for a reference for a

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-22 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 21, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: John's paper covered the 15th c. His research on the wool economy is very impressive -- he was John Munro's student and spends a lot of time in primary documents -- and I am inclined to trust his work. However, I don't remember this

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats/buckram

2007-05-22 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi folks, Isnt it strange but i cant find a danish word for Buckram, i have even asked reenactors, and nobody knows. Most annoying!!! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-22 Thread michaela de bruce
It was clear. I was just hoping for a reference for a stiffened buckram. It seems likely that there was such a thing, but I haven't yet come across a reference that would certainly establish it. Queen Mary's Wardrobe accounts, I'm not sure it that is the book I listed (privy purse accounts

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Melanie Schuessler
Janet Arnold shows several hats in her Patterns of Fashion (1560-1620) that have stiffened felt as an understructure. She also mentions the possibility of pasted paper (basically papier mache), which is likely what was used to stiffen the crescents at the fronts of French hoods in

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread E House
- Original Message - On May 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Tori Ruhl wrote: I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as Buckram? What were the internal

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Becky Rautine
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Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Carmen Beaudry
I think that any hat that is felted is so densely felted together that it is very durable. I don't know of any solution that makes a hat stiff. Must be one though. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine You can use hide glue to stiffen felt or buckram. Hatmakers also use thinned shelac to stiffen and

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 17, 2007, at 6:04 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as Buckram? What were the internal structure of hats made out

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread michaela de bruce
John Oldland, in a paper on the medieval woolen industry in England that he just gave at the International Congress on Medieval Studies, mentions buckram as a type of cheap woolen fabric. I would be a bit surprised that buckram was wool in the 16thcC, especially given how often it was used to

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Saragrace Knauf
That would be rawhide. They even wrap saddle trees in that stuff! - Original Message - From: E Housemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats - Original Message

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 22 May 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: John Oldland, in a paper on the medieval woolen industry in England that he just gave at the International Congress on Medieval Studies, mentions buckram as a type of cheap woolen fabric. I would be a bit surprised that buckram was wool in

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Joan Jurancich
At 04:19 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote: That would be rawhide. They even wrap saddle trees in that stuff! - Original Message - From: E Housemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-21 Thread Chris Bertani
On 21 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: John Oldland, in a paper on the medieval woolen industry in England that he just gave at the International Congress on Medieval Studies, mentions buckram as a type of cheap woolen fabric. I would be

Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

2007-05-17 Thread michaela de bruce
I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as Buckram? What were the internal structure of hats made out of? As far as I can tell there is buckram (buckeram,