RE: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics

2006-07-01 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
Berkeley, CA? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics Thanks to Melanie and everyone. I suppose

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics

2006-07-01 Thread Lynn Downward
at Collierfam.com wrote: Berkeley, CA? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics Thanks

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
(I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, and I suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. CarolynKayta Barrows

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Lavolta Press
Melanie Schuessler wrote: I've done all kinds of overdying for theatre to tone things down. It really depends on which way you want the color to go. Grey is not always the best choice, as it really dulls things out. Tan and ecru will take the color in a warmer direction, but it depends

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Melanie Schuessler
Lavolta Press wrote: I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be good? I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. 10% is a very

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/30/2006 4:10:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. It can be regular coffee outta the pot!

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Dawn
I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. It can be regular coffee outta the pot! But it's not colorfast. It will come out the first time she uses a commercial detergent on

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Lavolta Press
I don't think the caffeine has anything to do with the tannin. Fran Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: (I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, and I suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
I don't think the caffeine has anything to do with the tannin. I heard that caffeine was the acidic part of coffee or tea, as tannin is with walnut husks. So the suggestion was to use caffeine-free, which would be acid-free, and the better thing archivally. But I only know that I heard

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics

2006-06-30 Thread Lynn Downward
YIKES!! Discount Fabrics is one place I consider necessary any time I need to sew anything - and I mean anything. I haven't been for a while (been a good girl and used stuff from my stash), and I guess I'd better find time soon! On dyeing with coffee/tea: I've never liked that pink tinge that

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-30 Thread Ann Catelli
Caffeine has a pH of 6.9. While that's technically an acid, it's awfully close to neutral pH. Caffeine is, in addition, WHITE. Its presense or absense has nothing to do with the dyeing properties of tea or coffee or walnut hulls, for that matter. The tannins are tan to brown, acidic, and the

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-29 Thread Melanie Schuessler
I've done all kinds of overdying for theatre to tone things down. It really depends on which way you want the color to go. Grey is not always the best choice, as it really dulls things out. Tan and ecru will take the color in a warmer direction, but it depends on the characteristics of

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Dawn Luckham
At 11:20 PM 27/06/2006 -0600, you wrote: I've just read a very interesting book on historic costuming for film. It contains almost no information on how to design or make clothing, but a great deal on how to organize the process of obtaining enormous quantities of garments, keeping track of

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/28/2006 12:32:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The author does mention that pure white often looks too bright on camera, and so he overdyes with a weak solution of Rit tan to make it a shade that looks white, or just off-white, when

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Lavolta Press
This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you want the white to go.

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Lavolta Press
Lavolta Press wrote: This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/28/2006 3:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a real color. For a washer load, I've just thrown in the whole box of ecru. For tan or a grey, just like 1/4 to 1/2 a box. And it does change the color. It is no longer white, but definitely

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Joan Jurancich
At 12:39 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote: This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which

RE: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Kate Pinner
-cost] Overdyeing with tan At 12:39 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote: This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as white

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Cat Dancer
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a colleague who used to tech with some chemical he ordered in the mail. It was a dark powder that a small amount in a washer load would tech [to a warm brownish tint] things permanently. It never came out! It would also work [quickly]for small

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/28/2006 6:05:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like potassium permanganate. Although I could be wrong--chemistry class was a long time ago. ** That must be it, because I can hear them calling it potassium in my

KMnO(sub)4 Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-28 Thread Ann Catelli
I'd be REALLY CAREFUL of KMnO4 around cloth. It's an awfully strong reducing agent. Read up on its chemistry and interactions before using. Ann in CT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like potassium permanganate. Although I could be wrong--chemistry

Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan

2006-06-27 Thread Sue Clemenger
You might try looking in books, etc. that deal with patchwork quilts. There was quite the fad there for a while to use fabrics that looked aged, tea-dyed, etc. I know you said you didn't want to use tea as an overdye, but some of those books might offer suggestions. You might also be able to ask