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On a happier note, I can report that while I was on vacation in Seattle last week I found a marvelous fabric store called Nancy's that would've tempted me to buy all sorts of nice things if I'd had room in my suitcase to take them home. ;-) And it was full of people on a Saturday afternoon! 'Though I admit there weren't any sales going on and that's what most people would be looking for these days I think the people in Nancy's were looking for specialty items like mother-of-pearl buttons and silk ribbon for special projects. I bought a Sewing Workshop pattern -- I don't know of any place in central Iowa that stocks them. Suzanne On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we were all lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is because folks aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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When this started last year I received a different letter. Perhaps they learned from the letter they sent to me which was different because I posted it to either this list or the SCA Garb list and it was used against Wal-Mart in Arkansas when Wallies reps. tried to deny the closings. De -Original Message- Feedback from a Friend says SHE got the identical letter, as well. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Even though it is a canned letter, that doesn't mean it wasn't a reasoned response, and it indicates that someone has done something. One doesn't always get any kind of response. Sorry, I just get really tired of constant Walmart bashing. I don't work for them, don't own stock, etc. But, to me, Walmart is the epitome of the American experience. Sam Walton started with one single Ben Franklin store and went from there. I was disappointed when, in Mississippi, Walmart bought out Gaylord's and didn't put in a fabric department, which, of course, Gaylord's didn't have. That was in the mid-1980s. I will be sad if they close ALL the fabric departments, but the canned letter makes it sound like they don't plan to do so, and I'll add my voice to others and let them know how I feel. I've had an experience of needing a yard of ribbon at 11:00 at night at Walmart and not being able to find anyone to cut it. (Of course, how many places can you even shop for ribbon at 11:00 at night?) But I've had a dreadful lack-of-customer-service experience at Hancock Fabrics, too. And the big local Super JoAnn's that opened in our area about ten years ago got rid of all the great exotic silks and wools within a couple of years--I assume they just didn't sell. Alas, though, fabric stores in general just aren't doing that well, as people aren't sewing as much. I can only get to NY once a year, at most, and I don't want to shop for everything on line--I'm too tactile for that, so I'll miss the local outlets if they all go away. I live in the DC area, and I have seen a great decline in variety at G Street (and I don't think it is just the new generation running the place--I still think it boils down to PEOPLE AREN'T SEWING AS MUCH. During the last sale, I went with my additional 25% off coupon and had a hard time finding ANYTHING I wanted to buy.) Okay, enough of my rant. Ann Wass **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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-Original Message- Even though it is a canned letter, that doesn't mean it wasn't a reasoned response, and it indicates that someone has done something. One doesn't always get any kind of response. De: This is true, most don't give a response but the canned response comes across as impersonal and almost as if they're blowing you off. I do not have a dislike for Wal-Mart, just some of their decisions. I think that getting a bad sales clerk is a luck of the draw as I have fairly good relations with my stores sales clerks. I know that Wal-Mart fabrics help keep Joann's in check with their prices like Kmart used to do with Wal-Mart before the local Kmart went away. Staffing the fabric department isn't easy. As an employee you start out needing to be a jack of all trades so that even if you are in one department they want to be able to temporarily shuttle you to another if the case arises. And the big local Super JoAnn's that opened in our area about ten years ago got rid of all the great exotic silks and wools within a couple of years--I assume they just didn't sell. De: Joann's has their agenda but does need input from their loyal customers so they can try to tweak the local stores if the tweaking doesn't take it to far from the agenda and makes money for them. Always ask the manager at a JA if they can carry something and they can always check it out. The more people that ask for it, the more likely they will try to work it out to carry it. It took 2 yrs but enough people asked for linen that they now carry a really good selection at my store. They can't get in the white sheer 100% linen but they do have the cotton/ linen blend that works great for Italian ren. camicia and partlet. Something that Joann's did after several had suggested was having the holiday fabrics come out several months early. X-mas fabric used to come out in October, now it starts in out in July. Alas, though, fabric stores in general just aren't doing that well, as people aren't sewing as much. I can only get to NY once a year, at most, and I don't want to shop for everything on line--I'm too tactile for that, so I'll miss the local outlets if they all go away. I live in the DC area, and I have seen a great decline in variety at G Street (and I don't think it is just the new generation running the place--I still think it boils down to PEOPLE AREN'T SEWING AS MUCH. During the last sale, I went with my additional 25% off coupon and had a hard time finding ANYTHING I wanted to buy.) De: I think that the aren't sewing as much is a regional thing and maybe there is sewing but sewing of a specific type. Here in my town the Jr Highs teach HomeEc (or Human Environmental Sciences) and their sewing projects are simple pillow, jockey shorts, handbags, tree skirtsetc. The High school's HE sewing project is an apparel item(s). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Alas, though, fabric stores in general just aren't doing that well, as people aren't sewing as much. Is fewer sewers necessarily the reason? I think part of it is that many fabric sales may be made on the net these days. That's how I I've bought most of my fabric for several years. It's a lot easier when you work long hours--on the net you can buy fabric any time of day without taking the time to drive anywhere. No, buying on the net is not as much fun as browsing a good fabric store--and the San Francisco Bay Area is blessed with numerous good independents. The tactile experience is missing, and getting swatches (which I seldom do) is slow. Yes, the color can turn out to be a bit different from the way it looks on my monitor. But I almost always buy fabric when I see it and decide what to do with it later, so I seldom run into problems with buying the wrong weight or color for a specific project. I buy a lot of vintage tablecloths and trims on eBay and stockpile those. Buy it when you see it is definitely the best strategy for vintage items. I only go to Jo-Ann's for notions, and then only because there is one in a mall a fairly short drive away. I've never set foot in a Wal-Mart in my life. I try to stockpile notions too--I bought a huge lot of hooks and eyes, and similar things, in bulk from Greenberg Hammer--but there are times when I need some different notion in a hurry. There was a quilting store a few streets over, where I could buy thread and hand sewing needles--but they went out of business. I only see labeling problems at discount stores, the kind of places that sell garment manufacturer over-buys. There is a chain called Discount Fabrics here that only vaguely labels most fabrics--like putting up a big row of cottons that clearly includes some blends when you look at the fabrics. There is a Discount Fabrics near my dentist's, and I usually go there on the way home after having my teeth cleaned. It's an OK store, I've bought some good things there, but it's definitely a place for serendipity rather than planned purchases. So why is it there that I usually go in person, rather than to the several much better fabric stores in the area (Britex, Poppy, Satin Moon?) Because I don't have to make a special trip, I'm already practically there anyway. And going to either Britex (downtown) or Satin Moon (in San Francisco's most congested restaurant district) is a parking nightmare. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com I can only get to NY once a year, at most, and I don't want to shop for everything on line--I'm too tactile for that, so I'll miss the local outlets if they all go away. snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I'm sorry to add to your disappointment, but that is a canned form letter that gets sent to everyone inquiring about the fabric departments going away. I got the same letter last year. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Feedback from a Friend says SHE got the identical letter, as well. Susan On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Dianne wrote: PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I'm sorry to add to your disappointment, but that is a canned form letter that gets sent to everyone inquiring about the fabric departments going away. I got the same letter last year. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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People are still sewing in my neck of the woods, but a lot more careful about waiting for sales. They are also concerned about fabric quality, esp thread count among quilters. I think it is tied in more with the economy--most people have been losing spending power in dollars earned for a long time(hence Walmart, etc) and now the chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. Fabric retailers are more and more owned by big conglomerates that are more concerned with bottom line profits. Consumers are buying a lot fewer clothes and I've seen more than one back-to-school shopping kid throw a temper tantrum because Mom and Dad are now shopping Payless shoes and Target(where I buy my own shoes and have for a long time), instead of buying them expensive name-brand shoes. Of course, I still see a lot of older kids buying multiple pairs of Nike's or whatever(and wonder where the money comes from!) Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we were all lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is because folks aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. Ann Wass **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000 017 ) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: Thank you for your message. Dear Susan, Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric department in your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we make, we have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric departments on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high today for a full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it may have been at Wal-Mart in the past. In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations center is placed, merchandise commonly referred to as 'notions' will be included in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, needles, thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new and remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as a small number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart will continue to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the continued evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of existing stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations center at this time. Thank you, Wal-Mart Customer Relations ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Crafts and Celebrations certainly sounds as iof it could be Martha-related. MaggiRos On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Cactus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Life Celebrations? Yeah, sounds like a Martha Stewart kind of label. It's too bad really. It's not like they had a huge craft section to begin with, but for people who may not have a regular craft or fabric store near them (but usually have a Walmart, of course!) it was fine. Unfortunately, most of their sale table fabrics were icky, cheap polyester, but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the target clientele and the usual clientele of the store don't craft a lot or sew, so they are catering to them. Why make clothes when you can buy Walmart's cheap, *hitty Chinese clothes! The Walmart closest to me has a fair-sized craft/fabric section, but the next closest one to me has no fabric and only a very small crafts section. . /' // . // |\//7 /' \ . . . | (\ '._ | '._ ''. ' /\'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | .. . . ' .| | | \^ /_-': / / | |'\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | |// / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cactus Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: Thank you for your message. Dear Susan, Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric department in your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we make, we have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric departments on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high today for a full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it may have been at Wal-Mart in the past. In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations center is placed, merchandise commonly referred to as 'notions' will be included in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, needles, thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new and remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as a small number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart will continue to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the continued evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of existing stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations center at this time. Thank you, Wal-Mart Customer Relations ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Maggie wrote: Crafts and Celebrations certainly sounds as iof it could be Martha-related. I have seen the crafts and celebrations aisle. It's full of simple craft items for making invitations, baby shower and wedding tokens, and junk like that. I think there may have been some clothing embellishment items, like rhinestones and iron on patches. I went there once over a year ago, and haven't been back, the department didn't impress me. Frankly, it looked like the kind of cheap tacky plastic chinese crap Martha would turn her nose up at. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. Yes, I found an absolutely wonderful blue and orange plaid cotton once, just like a turn-of-the-nineteenth century madras. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Joan Broneske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Life Celebrations? Yeah, sounds like a Martha Stewart kind of label. It's too bad really. It's not like they had a huge craft section to begin with, but for people who may not have a regular craft or fabric store near them (but usually have a Walmart, of course!) it was fine. Unfortunately, most of their sale table fabrics were icky, cheap polyester, but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the target clientele and the usual clientele of the store don't craft a lot or sew, so they are catering to them. Why make clothes when you can buy Walmart's cheap, *hitty Chinese clothes! The Walmart closest to me has a fair-sized craft/fabric section, but the next closest one to me has no fabric and only a very small crafts section. . /' // . // |\//7 /' \ . . . | (\ '._ | '._ ''. ' /\'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | .. . . ' .| | | \^ /_-': / / | |'\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | |// / ! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] |[_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cactus Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] walmart fabrics Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] walmart fabrics To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] D ate: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:57 PM The reply to my Walmart messge about Fabrics: Thank you for your message. Dear Susan, Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the fabric department in your local store. As with any merchandise decision that we make, we have based our decision to reduce the stitching and fabric departments on customer demand, which does not appear to be as high today for a full stitching and fabric offering in some markets as it may have been at Wal-Mart in the past. In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. In those stores where the new crafts and celebrations center is placed, merchandise commonly referred to as 'notions' will be included in the product offerings - such as sewing machines, yarn, needles, thread, etc. As a part of this conversion, most of our new and remodeled stores that opened earlier this year, as well as a small number of existing stores, will feature the new crafts and celebrations center in place of bolt fabrics. Wal-Mart will continue to carry cut fabric in most of our stores. Due to the continued evaluation of our stores, we are unable to share a list of existing stores scheduled to receive the new crafts and celebrations center at this time. Thank you, Wal-Mart Customer Relations ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ _ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. GIf we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall Liadain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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When the department manager could order the bins at our Walmarts, they would get in about 60% of the decent to good stuff like 100% raw silk, 100% cotton brocade, brocades, jaquards...etc. Then when upper management took over and didn't know what the customer wanted in the fabric section the stuff was 85% crap. One of the stores still gets in the black fabric for the students. Wal-Mart says that fewer people sew today but in my town, with two colleges and one university, 5 different types of reinactment groups, two, soon to be three high schools (though the 2 -3 yd. pre-cuts would work for them for their HES/HE class), one children's theatre, Amish, several sororities, and fraternities, we need more then just Jo Ann's who tends to lean towards the quilter's and crafters side. New members of SCA who are students can't always afford Jo Ann's and sometimes cannot wait for the sales. Since more SCA events are camping, one needs to have more then one outfit so that their ride to the event will let them ride home with them after the event. :) De -Original Message- but occasionally you could find some decent cottons at least. Yes, I found an absolutely wonderful blue and orange plaid cotton once, just like a turn-of-the-nineteenth century madras. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 8/7/2008 8:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In keeping with our emphasis on being a store of the community, Wal- Mart is converting the fabrics and crafts department in some stores to a newly expanded assortment of merchandise that focuses on life's celebrations. We are thrilled to offer our customers this exciting new crafts and celebrations center that makes available craft and party planning needs along with information on current trends and new ideas in the area of life's celebrations, such as holidays, weddings and birthdays. Ah, that is what our newish store here inside the Washington DC beltway has. Things like gift bags and such. But it does sound like they aren't doing that in ALL their stores. Thanks for sharing. Ann Wass **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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PS But at least you seem to have gotten a reasoned response. And I will be writing, too. Thanks again for letting us see that at least someone is paying attention. I was with a group of true believers last weekend, and, while we were all lamenting the disappearance of fabric stores, we agreed it is because folks aren't sewing anymore--which is just what Walmart told you. Ann Wass **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
