On 2/23/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dunno,
Well that would be obvious
your duty to The State in obeying it's regulations about
privacy and your duty to your customers seems pretty clear cut.
Not so clear cut. First I don't have any customers. Maybe you have
Hey guys, can we agree to disagree, or move any ensuing flame war to
another venue?
Kevin
On 2/23/06, Mike Lieman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/23/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dunno,
Well that would be obvious
your duty to The State in obeying it's
On 2/23/06, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey guys, can we agree to disagree, or move any ensuing flame war to
another venue?
Kevin
Agreed. This thread is dead.
Arguing in a mailing list is like competing in the Special
Olympics Even if you win, ...
Dude...Special Olympics?? That was tasteless and uncalled for. You should
be ashamed of yourself.
Chris Farley
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On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open my records! Please open my records.
Is that clear enough?
How do you think your patients feel about that?
I don't really
Ruben is not a physician, as far as I know. I believe he is a pharmacist.
Kevin
On 2/22/06, Mike Lieman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 11:35, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open my records! Please open my records.
Is that clear enough?
How
On 2/22/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 11:35, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open my records! Please open
I believe local governments has a carve out. In fact, governments and
law enforcement in general have a carve out.
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:06, Mike Ginsburg wrote:
I assume that while we still have HIPAA, that the City of New York meets all
HIPAA requirements and that all the appropriate
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open my records! Please open my records.
Is that clear enough?
How do you think your patients feel about that?
I don't really care how they feel about it any more than I care how they
--- Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or do you care more how
your
patient feels about it then saving the life of your patients wife
when
you tell her that her husband has AID's. What kind of professional
ethics are you displaying?
Ruben
I think Ruben raises some valid points
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The health department, as far as I'm concerned, can ask for any
information it wants. Unless your showing me that this information is
being miss used, or used legally, I'm ABSOLUTELY not interested.
In fact, they need to flush HIPPA which is
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open my records! Please open my records.
Is that clear enough?
How do you think your patients feel about that?
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Blaming the CEO isn't fair. They have every right to be compensated at
ridiculous levels, being that they are in charge of such large
organizations. All CEOs are ridiculously compensated.
Sure, but I'm struck by the thought that if the LAW was a corporate
office could have only the
I assume that while we still have HIPAA, that the City of New York meets all
HIPAA requirements and that all the appropriate paper work has been taken
care of. Otherwise, would participating labs be liable for fines?
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Mike Schrom wrote:
CBF: This should definitely be legal. Why should the employer be saddled
with the cost of your lowered productivity due to illness?
MS: That sounds great, unless you are the one whose children can't have
food or clothes or go to college because you can't get a job because
If HIS were standardized, I could anticipate a Google of the future
coming up with fantastic ways of enhancing patient care by optimal
presentation of patient data, i.e. scanning, filtering etc.. Already
Google makes it very easy to look up quality medical information for
patients on the
As long as it's quality medical information FOR patients, not quality
medical information ABOUT patients, that is not specifically authorized.
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
If HIS were standardized, I could anticipate a Google of the future
coming up with fantastic ways of enhancing patient care by
Yes indeed. You all know I believe in VistA and what it can do, but I have
ever increasing anxiety about what this is going to do to privacy and thus
what impact it will have on the physician patient relationship.
New York City Department of Health is getting the results of ALL A1C tests in
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 11:17, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
Yes indeed. You all know I believe in VistA and what it can do, but I have
ever increasing anxiety about what this is going to do to privacy and thus
what impact it will have on the physician patient relationship.
New York City
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Where is patient control of their information?
Yes. Why can't I get the medical lab to send me a copy of my lab results?
Why do I have to make special request to the lab each time to get them to
send my primary care
I have been working with the CDC with an eye to include in VistA the option to
report deidentified data to the Biosense project to help with the early
detection of disease such outbreaks, etc. Privacy does not have to be
violated in order to achieve most of what you are concerned about.
On
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 12:07, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
I have been working with the CDC with an eye to include in VistA the option
to
report deidentified data to the Biosense project to help with the early
detection of disease such outbreaks, etc. Privacy does not have to be
violated in
Why do I have to fill Lipitor prescriptions without knowing the patients
liver enzyme test results?
Is that nuts or what
Ruben
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 11:59, James Gray wrote:
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Where is patient control of their
We may be wasting bandwidth, but I do agree.
Jim Gray
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Why do I have to fill
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We may be wasting bandwidth, but I do agree.
Jim Gray
It's not an either/or situation, or at least it shouldn't be. You've
both discussed valid functional requirements, and the question should
be how you are to accomodate both.
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Gregory
Most if not all health departments require that contacts be notified. They
just don't allow the contact to be told who had the positive HIV test without
permission.
I don't think anyone who has a positive HIV test is a priori a murderer.
If someone in NYC hears the Health Department is
I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
because the city may end up paying the cost of care for some of its
citizens gives
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 14:27 -0500, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
Most if not all health departments require that contacts be notified. They
just don't allow the contact to be told who had the positive HIV test without
permission.
I don't think anyone who has a positive HIV test is a priori a
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 15:49 -0400, Joseph Conn wrote:
I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
because the city may end
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 15:49 -0400, Joseph Conn wrote:
I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
because the city may end
From the NYC Health Department web site
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ahn1.shtml
New York State began implementation of this law on June 1, 2000. ...
1 .What is this new law about, and what will it do?
The new law requires doctors and laboratories to tell the Health Department
about new
On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 03:06:04PM -0500, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
From the NYC Health Department web site
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ahn1.shtml
New York State began implementation of this law on June 1, 2000. ...
1 .What is this new law about, and what will it do?
The new law
Consider this.
A database/patient management system exists full of rich
patient data.
What's being debated in this thread is policy, which
translates into business rules, the data's the same,
regardless. If the business rules are set up to reflect
policy, they can be changed as policy
And people who make policy tend not to be subject to that
policy - at least, where I live that's the case... Likewise,
the people who demand the information be made public are
usually in a position, I say usually, that doesn't require
that their own records are open to public display...
Loud and clear...!
Shame I'm not a policy maker... ;-)
Ruben Safir wrote:
And people who make policy tend not to be subject to that
policy - at least, where I live that's the case... Likewise,
the people who demand the information be made public are
usually in a position, I say usually, that
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 09:36:02AM +1300, Stephen Hay wrote:
Loud and clear...!
Shame I'm not a policy maker... ;-)
We're all responsible for policy although I apreciate the attempt at humor.
Ruben
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This sounds like a discussion from an ethics course, where we have a
discordance between conflicting principles.
As physicians, we are trained to be patient advocates. We don't
usually step back and look at the big picture--at least those in
private practice. It takes researches in the CDC etc
Likewise:
Chris Farley wrote:
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CBF: This should definitely be legal. Why should the employer be saddled
with the cost of your lowered productivity due to illness?
MS: That sounds great, unless you are the one whose children can't have
food or clothes or go to college because you can't get a job because
EVERY
Sometimes a picture is worth, well, you know... ;-)
http://www.claybennett.com/pages/10_29_01.html
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
This sounds like a discussion from an ethics course, where we have a
discordance between conflicting principles.
As physicians, we are trained to be patient advocates.
Chris Farley
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A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database InformationWeek (02/13/06)No. 1076, P. 38; McGee, Marianne KolbasukInformation technology is making strides in three critical areas of medicine: The filtering and delivery of information to the patient's bedside, allowing for personalized care; formatting existing
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