in line...
maccrawj wrote:
Interesting read though it still stands that 32bit only addresses 4GB.
True - at least on paper ;)
The fact that more could be mapped is true but 32bit apps would have to
be written using AWE which still limits linear address space to 4GB
chunks. Biggest benefit
Well anyone buying Home anything deserves a twist and yes I'd assume that getting
a copy of the DVD image would solve the forced choice. Go figure since it's a
low-ball promo designed to be just attractive enough to lure people into clicking the
buy button.
Real shitty move on MS part, just
I have a friend with a ~20?~ year old son, and I'm sure he would like
a link to that if possible.
I helped him build a box about a year ago, and he insisted on XP
for games.
He is in school (still) and could get Win7 for $29 (Student Version).
I have not pushed him towards it yet...
Rick Glazier
I'll see if I can find it again.
Rick Glazier wrote:
I have a friend with a ~20?~ year old son, and I'm sure he would like
a link to that if possible.
I helped him build a box about a year ago, and he insisted on XP
for games.
He is in school (still) and could get Win7 for $29 (Student
http://tinyurl.com/kl39aw
At 06:01 AM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
I have a friend with a ~20?~ year old son, and I'm sure he would like
a link to that if possible.
I helped him build a box about a year ago, and he insisted on XP
for games.
He is in school (still) and could get Win7 for $29 (Student
Here it is. Enjoy!
Throughout our testing the Windows 7 build was able to outperform XP
running on the same hardware. In some cases such as Left 4 Dead the
performance difference was quite small however in more demanding
scenarios such as World In Conflict the increase was much more
Interesting read though it still stands that 32bit only addresses 4GB. The fact that
more could be mapped is true but 32bit apps would have to be written using AWE which
still limits linear address space to 4GB chunks. Biggest benefit of 64bit apps is
ability to use more than 4gb per app
At 04:14 PM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
This all quickly becomes moot since you get 32 64 on all new
Vista/7 DVDs and 64 still let's you run your 32bit apps.
here is a twist to that. The current 29.95 Windows 7 Home Premium
offer for students is a download. When you make your purchase you
choose
[mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think
bottom feeders forever :-D
hope, change or assimilation
fp
hell I still have a dos box for Aces of the Pacific :-|
At 01:31 PM 9/21/2009, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Anthony,
Not a problem. I will just join the party later. I see no driving factor yet
to spend $199/client at this time just to
...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks logic
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks logic somewhat.
The games I have and play are:
MS FlightSim 2002
Serious Sam I and II
: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks logic somewhat.
The games I have and play are:
MS
-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks
...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s
is still XP x64. Rumor is
that students that can verify college enrollment can get Win7Home for $29
pre-order right now.
lopaka
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, FORC5 fuf...@cox.net wrote:
From: FORC5 fuf...@cox.net
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date
...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:34 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'd NEVER pay that price either. I did however pre-order Win 7 Pro for $99
and Home for $49 on newegg a couple months back. The RC
www.geoffchappell.com/notes/toc.htm ;)
maccrawj wrote:
2^32 IS 4GB, you do the math! ;)
From the MS page that lead me to the link I posted:
Windows NT 4.0 Memory Support. With Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
Workstation and Server operating systems, the maximum amount of physical
memory supported
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From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:36 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
In your business position I get
...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:36 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
In your business position I get this. Should you choose this position
personally, that is fine. Please accept that there are many
Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks logic somewhat.
The games I
...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think
@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks logic somewhat.
The games I have and play are:
MS FlightSim 2002
Serious Sam I and II
The original
-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same
...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Tim,
I will accept this view. But, only if you and I are/were playing the
same game(s). Otherwise, I think this rationale leaks
More precisely 32bits gives you 2^32 or 4GB of address space from which you subtract
the amount of video RAM and anything else that needs to be mapped into the address
space. The remainder is mapped mostly to apps, up to 3GB with the /3GB boot switch,
then the rest to Windows system use.
So
2^32 IS 4GB, you do the math! ;)
From the MS page that lead me to the link I posted:
Windows NT 4.0 Memory Support. With Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation and Server
operating systems, the maximum amount of physical memory supported is 4 GB. The
maximum amount of virtual memory is 2 GB.
[mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently running the beta on Windows 7 32-bit and using 2
sticks
of 2GB
RAM. I have a recent need to occasionally run a VM
Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make it out to be. By default,
on a
32-bit system with 4GB of RAM, 2GB is available for user space
-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:25 PM
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Even consumer-level computers coming
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Even consumer-level computers coming with 4GB RAM, there's no choice
but to
go with a 64-bit OS, otherwise, you will be inundated with questions
about
I bought 4GB, why does it say 3.3GB? - e.g. my parents don't care
, September 18, 2009 10:25 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Even consumer-level computers coming with 4GB RAM, there's no
choice
but to
go with a 64-bit OS, otherwise, you will be inundated with
questions
about
I bought 4GB, why does it say
At 12:52 PM 9/19/2009, you wrote:
What about apps? Will all 32-bit apps run under a 64-bit OS?
Not all of them... in Vista 64 they won't, and no 16 bit apps will
run at all. However, I have read that Windows 7 PRO comes with a
built in XP PRO (there is apparently a separate key for it)
] On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:25 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Even consumer-level computers coming with 4GB RAM, there's no choice
but to
go with a 64-bit OS, otherwise, you will be inundated with questions
about
I bought
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From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently running the beta on Windows 7 32-bit and using 2 sticks
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Hey Brian,
As far as I know, the Windows NT generation is not limited to 3GB RAM, only
to 64GB (32bit O/S limit - do your own math ;). One thing is what the O/S
reports (and what MS
wants us to believe
Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently running the beta on Windows 7 32-bit and using 2 sticks
Nah, this is unfair, as you also begin to imply chipset support. Hence unneeded
to mention that both MB and chipset have to support +4GB :)
To my experience, adding a load of RAM (and/or a +2GHz procesor) also stresses
the need of a faster disk system. Things usually go hand-in-hand.
One
RAM is not unusual on e.g. WIN
XP Pro.
HTH
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From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently
I'm currently running the beta on Windows 7 32-bit and using 2 sticks of 2GB
RAM. I have a recent need to occasionally run a VM with another OS in it.
I would like to assign that OS 2 GB of RAM, but as I only have 3.6 GB
available and need to run some rather memory intensive apps in the native
://www.adv-data.com
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boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently running the beta
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From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:29 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
I'm currently running the beta
This is not how I understand it to work, not that there seems to be
any kind of consensuses on this, but I read in Maximum PC that 32 bit
supports 4GB of RAM addressing. You start out with 4GB of RAM and
then windows starts knocking off for addresses already used by your
video card, your
FWIW mine showed 3.6 with a AMD MB but now shows 3.25 with a intel system. (
same ram)
fp
At 10:59 AM 9/18/2009, Winterlight Poked the stick with:
This is not how I understand it to work, not that there seems to be any kind
of consensuses on this, but I read in Maximum PC that 32 bit supports
:00 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
This is not how I understand it to work, not that there seems to be
any kind of consensuses on this, but I read in Maximum PC that 32 bit
supports 4GB of RAM addressing. You start out with 4GB of RAM
Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Greg Sevart wrote:
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make it out to be. By default, on a
32-bit system with 4GB of RAM, 2GB is available for user space, and 2GB is
reserved for exclusive use by the kernel--which would include kernel mode
drivers. You are also correct
[mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make it out to be. By default,
on a
32-bit system with 4GB of RAM
@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make it out to be. By default,
on a
32-bit system with 4GB of RAM, 2GB is available for user space, and 2GB
is
reserved for exclusive use by the kernel--which would include kernel
mode
: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people make it out to be. By default
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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
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-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery as people
-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
It isn't as much of a mystery
] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:00 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
This is not how I understand it to work, not that there seems to be
any kind of consensuses on this, but I read in Maximum PC that 32
bit
supports
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] More than 4GB of ram and VM question
Brian,
Um, so why is being able to address 4GB of RAM such a big deal?
I comprehend the other thread about the RAM issue. Is this what this is
all about?
No. I am not starting a consumer choice discussion. I've read
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