Re: [H] SSD Time.............
the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to perform the resets. On 19 Dec 2009, at 07:39, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I found this comment on Newegg: *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x. But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD. *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to remember this is new technology, and software within the next year should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!! Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] eSATA and internal SATA port?
DFI DKx58 for i7-920, Win 7(64-bit) ASUS P55D for i5-750, Win 7(64-bit) I haven't tried on my old system ABIT AB9-Pro for D925, Win 7(64-bit) ABIT AB9-Pro for E6600, XP-Pro (32bit) At 02:40 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: Which mobo are you using? Thanks.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Way overblown. Earlier SSDs and/or firmware did indeed have some performance degradation over time, but this needs to be put in some perspective: 1. You generally needed to run synthetic benchmarks over and over again, focusing on random write, to create the situation. 2. Even if you somehow got a drive into a degraded state, it's still MANY TIMES faster than the best magnetic drives 3. Beginning with the first firmware release for the Intel G1 drive, and the 1.41 GC firmware for the OCZ Vertex drives, they are able to clean themselves up very effectively to restore any lost performance even without TRIM 4. Windows 7 with TRIM effectively eliminates the possibility for the condition (enabled by the 1.40 Vertex firmware or the latest Intel firmware) - there are presently still some strict requirements for TRIM support because it is still so new, but the simple fact of the matter is that poor used performance has been mostly mitigated by later firmware releases. In short: if you intend on actually using your drive, it's very unlikely to ever be a problem--and pretty much impossible when using TRIM. If you intend on running iometer in a random write configuration all day, then it is possible that you'll get performance to degrade. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:40 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. I found this comment on Newegg: *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x. But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD. *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to remember this is new technology, and software within the next year should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!! Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
[H] Network Cat 6 cable recco
Hello, Anyone suggest a good brand of cable for in wall network runs of cat 6? They will be terminated and wall plates/jacks put in and then we will use patch cable from there to the device. I understand solid core is the way to go for the in wall runs, 24 AWG is the best? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
[H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello, I'm stumped on this; when I try to view the contents of the users dir in Vista (assume win7 also) such as local settings or cookies from 2K or XP I get blah blah is not accessible. The folder was moved or removed. Well it's not - it is there. So I set myself up with permissions using the administrator account and give myself full control. Yet, I cannot view these dirs. So I take ownership - same thing. Can't view the files. How can I view these Vista files in the users dir from Win2K or XP? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Log in as THE administrator... not a user with administrator privileges. The first thing I do with Win 7 or Vista is to create the administrator account from the Command line = et user administrator /active:yes and then use THE administrator account as my account so I do not run into these problems. At 11:10 AM 12/19/2009, you wrote: Hello, I'm stumped on this; when I try to view the contents of the users dir in Vista (assume win7 also) such as local settings or cookies from 2K or XP I get blah blah is not accessible. The folder was moved or removed. Well it's not - it is there. So I set myself up with permissions using the administrator account and give myself full control. Yet, I cannot view these dirs. So I take ownership - same thing. Can't view the files. How can I view these Vista files in the users dir from Win2K or XP? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
A lot of these folders are NTFS junctions, which Explorer doesn't support very well. If you look at the folder in a command prompt you'll see the type is JUNCTION instead of DIR. The folders have been moved under the AppData folder in Vista and the junctions support older apps that don't know they have moved. Jamie -- Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca) On 2009-12-19, at 12:10 PM, Joe User joeu...@chronic.org wrote: Hello, I'm stumped on this; when I try to view the contents of the users dir in Vista (assume win7 also) such as local settings or cookies from 2K or XP I get blah blah is not accessible. The folder was moved or removed. Well it's not - it is there. So I set myself up with permissions using the administrator account and give myself full control. Yet, I cannot view these dirs. So I take ownership - same thing. Can't view the files. How can I view these Vista files in the users dir from Win2K or XP? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello Winterlight, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:35:48 PM, you wrote: Log in as THE administrator... not a user with administrator privileges. The first thing I do with Win 7 or Vista is to create the administrator account from the Command line = et user administrator /active:yes and then use THE administrator account as my account so I do not run into these problems. That's while you are booted into Vista or Win7? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello Jamie, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:10:46 PM, you wrote: A lot of these folders are NTFS junctions, which Explorer doesn't support very well. If you look at the folder in a command prompt you'll see the type is JUNCTION instead of DIR. The folders have been moved under the AppData folder in Vista and the junctions support older apps that don't know they have moved. Ok, so I used to go in and del all the temp files, cookies, inet explorer caches, etc, etc before I would backup a drive (to decrease the size). How do I go about removing all this stuff on a vista/win7 HDD I have placed into and booted up in my Win2K/XP machine? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
I wouldn't encourage anyone to use that approach. Many of the protections afforded by UAC are bypassed when running as _the_ local Administrator account. While UAC in Vista was annoying enough that most users, myself included, turned it off--I run with it enabled in W7, and we lock it on by GPO at work on all W7 deployments. Either way, the issue here is that the directories the OP is used to aren't real directories, they're NTFS junction points for legacy poorly written software that doesn't use environment variables, as has already been mentioned. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7 Log in as THE administrator... not a user with administrator privileges. The first thing I do with Win 7 or Vista is to create the administrator account from the Command line = et user administrator /active:yes and then use THE administrator account as my account so I do not run into these problems.
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
At 12:45 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: I wouldn't encourage anyone to use that approach. For me, on a single user network it is no more risk then running XP as the administrator. Of course, I run anti virus, anti spyware software and a third party firewall. And it makes life a lot easier. Many of the protections afforded by UAC are bypassed when running as _the_ local Administrator account. For my use that is a good thing Either way, the issue here is that the directories the OP is used to aren't real directories, they're NTFS junction points for legacy poorly written software that doesn't use environment variables, as has already been mentioned. OK, but it works for me. I have no problem getting to those folders directories. m Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7 Log in as THE administrator... not a user with administrator privileges. The first thing I do with Win 7 or Vista is to create the administrator account from the Command line = et user administrator /active:yes and then use THE administrator account as my account so I do not run into these problems.
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
That's while you are booted into Vista or Win7? yeah, just bring up a command window. It will tell you that it has completed successfully. then go into users and the administrator account will be there... give it a password. when you reboot you will have a choice of administrator or user. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello Winterlight, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:55:20 PM, you wrote: yeah, just bring up a command window. It will tell you that it has completed successfully. then go into users and the administrator account will be there... give it a password. when you reboot you will have a choice of administrator or user. Well that's good info to know but not exactly my issue. Let me explain in more detail. I take a vista/win7 drive out of another machine and put it into my 2K/XP system and use that 2K/XP system to backup the drive. I like to clean out the rubbish first so while I have the Vista/Win7 drive in my 2K/XP system I like to access the Vista/Win7 disk and clean it up. I can't seem to access some of the files like I could in any other OS before Vista. Some examples are users\cookies or users\local settings. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Look under Users\username\AppData\Temp -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:24 PM To: Winterlight Subject: Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7 Hello Winterlight, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:55:20 PM, you wrote: yeah, just bring up a command window. It will tell you that it has completed successfully. then go into users and the administrator account will be there... give it a password. when you reboot you will have a choice of administrator or user. Well that's good info to know but not exactly my issue. Let me explain in more detail. I take a vista/win7 drive out of another machine and put it into my 2K/XP system and use that 2K/XP system to backup the drive. I like to clean out the rubbish first so while I have the Vista/Win7 drive in my 2K/XP system I like to access the Vista/Win7 disk and clean it up. I can't seem to access some of the files like I could in any other OS before Vista. Some examples are users\cookies or users\local settings. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello Gary, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 3:29:39 PM, you wrote: Look under Users\username\AppData\Temp So everything like that is stored under that dir now? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Win2K/XP to Vista/Win7
Hello Gary, Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:18:36 PM, you wrote: Pretty much Super, so all these dirs I am trying to look at (usually faded out in Explorer - which used to mean 'hidden' attrib was on [2K/XP]) are now junctions to the real dir located elsewhere. In this particular case. Ok, so being stuck in a 2K/XP world as I am... If I want to clean up Vista/Win7 I do the users appdata temp dir, prefetch, windows temp, and what else (aside from searching for *.tmp) ? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Only if you use Windows 7 or whatever version of linux supports it (no trim support for the mac yet) And also only if you use drive controllers which support it (no raid controller supports trim yet to my knowledge) and the driver that talks to the drive supports trim, Intel Matrix Storage Manager doesn't support trim (yet). If you're on Windows XP or Vista you have to use either Wiper for Indilinx based drives or the SSD toolbox for Intel drives -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:53 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to perform the resets.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
+1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
