te to 1. Or something like that. Together with
>> some
>> reasonable convention for indicating &optional and &rest arguments.
>
> I would start with eldoc-function-arglist.
For built-in functions, subr-arity might help.
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ble. I would like
> to extend it's abilities.
Use tramp and eshell.
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(apply #'concat list-of-strings)
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August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On lör, 2005-02-19 at 19:43 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Joe Corneli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Is there a shorter way to concatenate a list of strings
>> > than this?
>> >
>> > (
ther lying about the
encoding that it uses, or is omitting the encoding completely in the
headers of the mail, causing the mailing list software to add a wrong
guess.
When trying to read such a mail with Gnus, you can use
M-1 g utf-8 RET
to display the article assuming a different charset.
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be able to start
up the necessary server inside of Emacs automatically.
For all people that use Source Specials, I should also recommend
taking a look at preview-latex
http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net>: for a lot of situations
where Source Specials might be useful, it is quite more convenien
Denis Bueno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:55:53 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > On lör, 2005-02-19 at 19:43 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> >> Joe Cornel
gest, this future version change might more properly reflect what
people might be expecting from such a number change.
And even if there are any surprise releases in between without
significant progress, one will be able to identify them by still being
21.something.
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August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and menubar?
> I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the `--with-x-toolkit'
> option, but it doesn't work.
It wouldn't. You need a developer version of Emacs to compi
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On tor, 2005-02-24 at 00:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and
>> > menubar? I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars
>> suck.
>>
>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the
>> mouse. I can't control the size
Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In the bootom left of emacs; it is written the name of the file
> corresponding to the file we are actually visiting. I wonder if it is
> possible to have to full path displayed instead of just the base file
> name.
C-h v mode-line-for
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> David Kastrup wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars
>>&g
the builtin TeX mode (which you appear to be using), this is more
complicated. Use
M-x customize-variable RET tex-start-commands RET
and select the "Interactive" option. Set for session or save also for
future sessions, as you prefer.
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> which castrates it like a Motif scrollbar).
Athena does not mix with Gtk, and Athena menus and dialogs suck
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August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On fre, 2005-02-25 at 15:18 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> Athena does not mix with Gtk, and Athena menus and dialogs suck
>> royally.
>
> I think that if the standard Emacs release supported a native look
> and feel of the
r chance to catch a lemon that you
would want to fix at most a few days later.
This sort of job could well be done by an average programmer: no
special Emacs programmer would be required for that.
The need does not seem as large as to cause an organized effort,
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> I am just wondering, why they mention emacs-22.1 there, I don't
> remember an emacs-22.0
Traditionally, there has never been an x.0 release for Emacs. x.0 are
internal prelease numbers.
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August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On lör, 2005-02-26 at 02:17 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > nfreimann wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs
>>
o be a productive
member of the community, preparing careful bug reports, helping with
reading the manual, suggesting useful features. Would it not be an
extreme disservice to those users if the developers wasted their time
on pampering for the transitory needs of the ungrateful, thus never
getting th
line, hit the k key and move on one line,
> and so on.
>
> I am coming from the vim world, but I really want to take advantage
> of emacs XML modes. But I am so used to the vim key bindings, that I
> was hoping I could adapt them to emacs.
M-x viper-mode RET
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Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (DK) wrote:
>
>>DK> Peter Dyballa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>> Carbon Emacs really needs a lot of development, particularly with
>>>>
set the variable to some value, but that doesn't
> help, there are further errors down the loading, and there must be
> something wrong more deeply.
>
>
> Strangely enough, when I try to load the file a second time, emacs does not
> complain.?!
>
> Any hint, wh
be defined in the
> emacs startup process. (debug on error is enabled)
>How may I enable this 'debug function?
This sounds like your Emacs installation is terribly broken. If you
are lucky, you just have something very bad in your .emacs (like
(setq load-path '("my-per
PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Not the size of the emacs frame, the size of the whole graphical
> desktop. Is it possible from elisp?
C-h f display-pixel-height RET
C-h f display-pixel-width RET
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> David Kastrup wrote:
>> Tim Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>>I am in the process of transitioning from Xemacs to emacs.
>>>I have code that uses the xemacs 'add-menu-button function.
>>>Em
PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:52:21 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Not the size of the emacs frame, the size of the whole graphical
>>> desktop. Is it pos
"John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>> PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Not the size of the emacs frame, the size of the whole graphical
>> > desktop. Is it possible from elisp?
>>
>> C-h f display-
Even preview-latex http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net> works
with PDFLaTeX by now.
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;pdflatex" my .tex file, and
>> Ctrl-c Ctrl-v to launch xpdf to view the resulting .pdf file
>
> Have you tried C-c C-c ?
With Emacs-21.3? That won't get him anywhere without AUCTeX, and it
is pretty obvious that he is not using AUCTeX yet from the
vide such an option.
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o force it to map earlier.
At the current point of time, the only sensible way of turning the
toolbar off (and similar manipulations affecting display geometry) is
by manipulating X resources. All other options will lead to window
resizes, meaning that the chosen startup frame layout is wro
There definitely is no reason to
use transient-mark mode permanently any more.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steinar Børmer) writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
> | Transient mark mode is an abomination. It really needed to be
> | replaced by the implementation of temporary transient mark mode
> | (which also is activated by dragging the mouse) in Emacs 22.
> |
>
t.
d) Lots of modes offer running/compiling/testing your program using
external tools that need accessible files.
In short: I don't see how Emacs can benefit from that distinction.
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udience even when exposed for longer amounts of time to it,
then the time has come to switch it on by default. I'll switch it off
immediately again, but if I do so, it should only be because I prefer
pure black-on-white for everything as a matter of personal taste, not
because it impedes Ema
ckwards
for the sake of people that are unlikely to stay with Emacs in the
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heretic. Half-baked
moping is not heretical. CUA mode exists, and is accessible via the
"Options" menu already. And you are living in a fantasy world if you
think that newbies would be kept from giving up just because of that.
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PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:33:37 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> The newbies I met usually used a "visual" editor before. Like
>>> SlickEdit, Ec
PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:22:49 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The question is: is more people using Emacs a good thing at all?
>>> Or is it only an additional burden (more clueless people on the
&g
PT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:16:24 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Emacs has not shown itself to accommodate systematic corporate
>> involvement well. It will as far as I can see always be dependent
>> on dedica
n proponents of such work, and
project leader for two major usability projects in the area of LaTeX.
Yet you still insist on misrepresenting on what has been said. I find
this distasteful.
> so now I too go and do other things... :)
Probably a good idea.
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> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:15:28 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> My enthusiasm has vanished, BTW. This all thread was just a
>>> sudden, half-baked idea. Reading all the answers I have a more
>&g
ms and keybinding trends over the years, and there are
more to come.
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it scrollbars
with the non-toolkit version, though: that would mean that I don't
need to compile my own Emacs at one time.
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Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Transient mark mode is an abomination. It really needed to be
>> replaced by the implementation of temporary transient mark mode (which
>> also is activated by dragging
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> My GTK+ version of Emacs, in contrast, is rather nice. Even the
>> toolbar, while a waste of space, fits in nicely as long as you don't
>> use Gnus (in which case it turns
cs is not a modern system? Should we add a Start
> button to Emacs too? It'd help newbs feel warm and fuzzy and its
> pretty standard on "modern systems."
How about a "Startle" button? It could randomly call a function such
as zone, insert-zippyism, ps
a shell in a
> remote site. So re-programming the local X server won't change his
> problems, he has to fix it in the remote shell.
X resources are managed by the server, not the client.
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The wayside of Emacs is littered with operating systems and concepts
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Brian Elmegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> A look and feel like winedt or eclipse but with the possibility for
> the conventional emacs look and access to all the emacs modes and
> features would be close to a perfect
Brian Elmegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> People have to learn to roll, sit, crawl, and stand before they can
> walk.
So do you tie their legs until you feel they should be allowed to
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e, these are all advanced stuff,
>> > not something a newbie would stumble on, IMHO.
>>
>> MS Word and winedt are not advanced, but do have that.
>
> If MS Word isn't advanced, then what is?
You mean, in the pathological sense? Like "Uh oh, this is far too
much
drag'n'drop
> possibilities inside emacs?
CVS Emacs understands the "drop" part of the X Drag'n'drop
specification. Drop files in a dired buffer, and they get moved
there. Drop them in most other windows, and they get opened.
O
text widgets, but the application itself is
probably better left apart from Emacs.
preview-latex http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net> will provide
graphical elements in a more or less accessible way, but you still
edit the source code, not the elements themselves. And Emacs is,
after al
Joe Corneli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No. It is not. Word can not be used for programming.
>
> But people who write new graphical or other features *should* make
> an efort to tell users how to turn the features off.
C-h C-n (in Emacs-22-to-be) or C-h N (I believe, in Ema
p code and found that instead of the
> usual paren highlighting, Emacs was highlighting the entire enclosed
> expression.
I don't get that here. What did you switch on to get it?
> I've had a long, sometimes rocky, but mostly loving relationship
> with Emacs. I find these d
t listed in the NEWS
> file.
I don't think so. So if you want to convince me, find a few new
features that are not listed there.
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ays discarded
> automatically, which is the best thing I can think of to do with
> it).
>
> These are perhaps the two most noticable changes to Emacs I've seen
> over recent months.
If you have a particular suggestion how to improve the documentation,
y
Greg Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Today when I was editing source code and tried to type pi/2 in a
>>> buffer, Emacs replaced it with some special character that appeared
>>> as "1/2" as
and that is good.
> P.S.
> I hope that nobody will consider stop emacs-bidi development as a
> good way to fight middle east terrorists... Mossad could get upset.
Well, emacs-bidi is not exactly very active or visible. Luckily, in
Hebrew my name ××× is
as you refuse to try the effects of
emacs -q -no-site-file
there is nothing much that can be done for you. It is not like I
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> I would also like the command to interact nicely with search; if I run
> C-r nex C-e, for instance, the cursor should get taken back to its original
> location again after two "undos".
C-u C-SPC
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read the documentation. Right at the top
of the Emacs manual it is mentioned that "h" will take you to an Info
tutorial.
Anyway, here is how to look at "spell" via the index:
C-h i d m emacs RET i spell RET
You can also select the Emacs manual from the Help menu, then type
(apply 'call-process browse-url-generic-program nil
0 nil
(append browse-url-generic-args (list url
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nfreimann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>>The definition of browse-url-generic in browse-url.el needs to get
>>replaced with:
>>
>>
>>
>
> In browse-url-generic:
> .emacs:78:14:Warning: reference to free variable `browse-
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there a way in 21.3 to zoom an inserted image to fit the window
> in which the image is displayed?
No.
> Is it available in CVS, perhaps?
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"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Is there a way in 21.3 to zoom an inserted image to fit the window
>> > in which the image is displ
Hugh Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hugh Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Debian sarge
>> > Emacs 21.4.1
>> >
>> > browse-url works fine if firefox is already
Hugh Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> This is why you need an Elisp function that will use call-process
>> instead of start-process for starting Firefox if it is supposed to
>> survive detaching.
>
>
to run the command "LaTeX" on the master file without prompting. If
you have a good suggestion where to add information like that in the
documentation (which really could make use of a lot of improvement),
please address it to the developer list which is usu
Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>> Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>I used to use the standard TeX mode but D. Kastrup have convinced me
>>>that auctex is better.
>> Actually, it was not really my intent to tur
o
> complain about! Isn't that radical?!
Yes, it is. Personally I would not want to delete the source file of
anything just to be spared an odd complaint.
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contains _all_ versions of Emacs and all
intermediate development stages for the last 6 or 7 years or so. I am
surprised that the size is so small.
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Bob Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> Bob Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>... I bumped into this file:
>>>
>>>http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs-backup/emacs-sources.tar.gz
>>>
>>>Date: 13-Apr-20
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> Anyway, I just tried an experimental tar+zip on my CVS tree (which
>> is not completely clean) and this resulted in 68MB.
>
> Try running "./make-d
ll likely exist longer than the
majority of all of them. So it does not make too much sense to bend
over backwards to be more similar to short-lived applications and
fashions. It is ok to improve Emacs, but it does not make sense to
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Bob Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
>> Bob Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>Lute Kamstra wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>>>>This "editor" needs to go on diet...
>>>>
>>>>We f
ing forced to have them.
You are able to choose. Just delete the files you don't want.
> I only meant, and hoped for, a more intuitive menu.
Intuitivity is in the mind of the beholder. Waving keywords around is
not going to replace the work of coming up with a coherent design and
implement
Ismael Valladolid Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Lute Kamstra escribe:
>> We feel that it's important that you can play Tetris with Emacs.
>
> Can you!?
M-x tetris RET
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m.) That seems like a small price
>> to pay. The benefits are huge, IMO. You can do almost anything
>> with Emacs. All your editing needs are covered.
>
> I'm not guessing right now which editing needs are covered by having
> Tetris here,
Speed typing.
> bu
d on whether
> emacs is running in a terminal or not.
Why? Face definitions can contain several different specs for
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is to avoid messing up the formatting of e.g. large arrays,
> while still having "most" lines be 70 characters long or less. I
> think I can write this pretty easily, but if it exists already, that's
> even easier.
AUCTeX http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex&
ID of this
> character is 0x2318, and I assume I'll have to convert this to the
> internal multibyte representation first. But when I do
>
> (make-char 'mule-unicode-0100-24ff 8504)
>
> I just get an 'invalid code point' error.
> Is that the correct charset
e anonymous (that's what woozle does), you can still
refer to that snapshot, even though the symbol itself has no longer an
accessible name. It does have a print name, though:
woozle
=> foo
Note that woozle is no longer the same as 'foo, since the association
of the symbol stored in woozle with the default obarray does no longer
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n my examples).
No, you didn't. You uninterned the symbol, after which it was no
longer available under the name 'foo.
But if you had done (setq woozle 'foo) before uninterning it, woozle
would have continued to be a perfectly valid handle to the symbol,
even though 'foo no longer wa
straight. Note that there is not much freedom with
symbol names. The name you choose stays with it from the start, but
you can pick an initial obarray (if you use "intern") or not (if you
create the symbol using "make-symbol"). In either case, names can&#
triction
> (narrow-to-region start end)
> (goto-char start)
> (replace-regexp "\(//\)[[:space:]] *" "\1 "
>
> So M-x comment-formatting has differnt behaviour. Why?
It hasn't. Just use
C-x ESC ESC
after the manual replac
>
> (defcustom foo t "*If nil, then..."
> :type 'boolean :local t :group 'foobar)
Why?
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buffers in the window that you clicked on,
and selects that window.
[back]
This gives you the right keyword.
Then do
M-x customize-apropos RET mouse-buffer RET
to continue with that clue.
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ble Newsreader instead of this
Knode crap? If you are using Emacs anyway, Gnus is an obvious choice.
You can't cut&paste from Knode windows: it will deliver crap for
spaces and possibly also hyphens. So don't copy&paste: type the stuff
carefully new.
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text, (quote foo) evaluates to the unevaluated expression (here a
symbol), and the unevaluated symbol evaluates to its symbol-value.
Lists evaluate to a function call.
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coin _ coin,--. angle
> >('), >('), |>(')|
>(` =~~/(` =~~/ | (` |
> ~^~^`---'~^~^~^`---'~^~^`--'^~^~
>
This "freedom fries" nonsense is not really funny. And I don't think
that only the true French can think out of the box.
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Enila Nero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How do I undo the effect of edebug-defun on a function, short of
> restarting emacs? I must have missed it in the documentation.
M-x compile-defun RET
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sorted list! Instead you rely on the side effects
only. But this can only work in case that the the sorting procedure
does not create _any_ new conses, and that the sorting does _NOT_
change the position of the first element of the list, since this will
_necessarily_ stay the first element of th
t effect?
If the first element already happens to be the smallest one, things
work out.
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ow-images-flag') or a toggle command
> (e.g. M-x toggle-image-display).
What images are you talking about?
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eliminating them. Not finding such a feature, I thought
> I'd ask whether there might be a global image-display toggle.
Put a high-priority overlay with "display nil" property over the
buffer? I have not tried it; it may do nothing or crash Emacs for all
that I know.
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