Re: [hlds] Moving on

2009-03-01 Thread f0rkz
S have we come to a general consensus about this? Cant we all just get along? :) f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Clyde cide wrote: Perhaps something similar to HLSTATSX meddal ribbons and rankings would be cool

Re: [hlds] Moving on

2009-03-01 Thread Olly
I don't think thats a good question. If you don't start getting along, then valve WILL shut down the list. I'm sure they would rather spend the bandwidth on something else. 2009/3/1 f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net S have we come to a general consensus about this? Cant we all just get along? :)

Re: [hlds] Moving on

2009-03-01 Thread Cc2iscooL
Did you even bother reading the reasoning as to why they were planning on shutting it down? I don't think not getting along was the only reason, if it was any reason. I dunno, I don't really feel like getting along today. Maybe tomorrow. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olly oli...@gmail.com

[hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread munra
If you were choosing an os for a new server would it be 2003 or 2008 Box specs are Core2Duo E6600 (2 x 2.4Ghz) 2048MB DDR2 RAM 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 HD I like 2008 but I would like to hear what the experts have to say. P.S. msleeper take it easy on a noob

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread munra
Sorry Forget to add I would be running l4d/TF2 servers Quoting mu...@anbservers.net: If you were choosing an os for a new server would it be 2003 or 2008 Box specs are Core2Duo E6600 (2 x 2.4Ghz) 2048MB DDR2 RAM 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 HD I like 2008 but I would like to hear what the

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread MONDO
Server 2003 will do you fine - tried and true my friend... tried and true. Also - depending on how many gameservers you will be running from this box, you'll want much more RAM, at least 4096MB I would say. Good luck! On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM, mu...@anbservers.net wrote: Sorry Forget to

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread 1nsane
The question would be... why do you need server 2008? It will eat more ram and have more processes doing hell knows what right out of the box. And I personally don't see a difference between the two. It's possible to run 1000 FPS servers on server 2003. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM,

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Cc2iscooL
2008. Hands down. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM, mu...@anbservers.net wrote: If you were choosing an os for a new server would it be 2003 or 2008 Box specs are Core2Duo E6600 (2 x 2.4Ghz) 2048MB DDR2 RAM 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 HD I like 2008 but I would like to hear what the experts have

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Alec Sanger
what about core? Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:01:34 -0500 From: 1nsane...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008 The question would be... why do you need server 2008? It will eat more ram and have

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread munra
Well let me ask you this. How many l4d servers to you think I can run on this box with 2003/2008? Off topic: I know my ded server company is on this list and I assume they are reading this. Please be advise you will be getting a call Monday about your response to ticket 5367. Quoting

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Midnight
2008. Better Kernel (google for the details), supports HPET (though only really needed for 1000fps servers). 2003 does not. Cc2iscooL wrote: 2008. Hands down. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM, mu...@anbservers.net wrote: ___ To unsubscribe,

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Midnight
4-5 concurrently. I think your RAM is fine since your CPU is so small. mu...@anbservers.net wrote: Well let me ask you this. How many l4d servers to you think I can run on this box with 2003/2008? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences,

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Blood Letter
Are you joking? I ran 4 L4D servers on an old dual core athlon, and it never got over 50% CPU usage. L4D does not tax the CPU at all, despite all the hype about the amazingly complex (yeah, right) AI Director. 1000 FPS!!! servers are a joke. Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:23:36 -0800 From:

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Blood Letter
2008. People tend to like to stick to old operating systems because they fear change. They see higher memory usage as a problem, and not an indication of a more robust system. They see an extra process running and immediately call it bloat, and look for ways to disable it. There is no point

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread munra
Quoting Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com: Okay I already own this server with 2008 I agree with you. I run 5 l4d servers and use 1.9 Gigs of my ram. But I dont think I ever used more then 40% of the CPU So I agree that I need more ram. So I am about to cancel this one and order

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Matthew Gottlieb
1000FPS? n00bs! You clearly haven't seen the 2000FPS servers (I so WISH I was kidding...) I played TF2 on a server running at 20FPS without any problems. I don't see why people bother with 1000FPS servers. However you can sell a 1000FPS server for a crapload of money... But back to topic, L4D

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread 1nsane
But I only have 8 gigs ram for 4 32 slot TF2 servers! (X3360) Haha. Performance wise though. Server 2008 does not perform better than server 2003. Atleast not in SRCDS. The FPS stability and var is the same with both. Both can do 1000 FPS with minor tweaking. So If one is to run only SRCDS why

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Frank Dragonsdoom V
I hate to sound like a newbie and ask this here, but I can't really find a concise answer in layman's terms to my question. How much bandwith(in megabytes if possible) would I need for a 16-20 slot TF2 server and would my residential connection be able to support that sort of traffic. I have a

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Octo
My servers tend to average about 10kbyte/sec per slot out. I never paid any attention to in. :) On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:02:46PM -0500, Frank Dragonsdoom V wrote: I hate to sound like a newbie and ask this here, but I can't really find a concise answer in layman's terms to my question.

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
I've seen some hacks to make the server framerate 9k+. ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Gottlieb Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:50 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Frank Dragonsdoom V
Oh great, I would be dumb enough to reply to a existing thread on someone elses problems wouldn't I? Sorry about that, but at least I am not spamming up people's inboxes... -Dragonsdoom ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread 1nsane
1000FPS? Psh! CPU In Out Uptime Users FPS Players 75.67 96016.46 448364.97 650 13 16.81 33 Even whit out any over-boosting it seems to eat more than 50% of a core regardless of what I do (TF2) might as well let it eat the rest. I don't feel like hosting LFD servers. Also on Windows the CPU

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Midnight
That's kinda the point. You don't want to go over 40-50% CPU usage or you will soon start seeing bad performance. You can add 2GB so you have 4GB and then run 8-10 servers, but you'll be pushing your luck. Blood Letter wrote: Are you joking? I ran 4 L4D servers on an old dual core athlon,

[hlds] [Fwd: steamworks mods update rss feed?]

2009-03-01 Thread Robert C
Hey someone at valve, please listen to me. An rss feed listing updates to steamworks mods would be so handy. Having to manually keep track of what mods are updating when is a massive pain in the butt. Especially considering that you guys HAVE to be aware of when something is pushed out via

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread [ЯтR] The-/iller
Also the cpu number in the stats query isn't the best Midnight wrote: That's kinda the point. You don't want to go over 40-50% CPU usage or you will soon start seeing bad performance. You can add 2GB so you have 4GB and then run 8-10 servers, but you'll be pushing your luck. Blood

Re: [hlds] [Fwd: steamworks mods update rss feed?]

2009-03-01 Thread Jake Skenna
I was surprised when the mods didn't get any update news on the store page back when the mods were released. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Robert C rob...@mammoth.com.au wrote: Hey someone at valve, please listen to me. An rss feed listing updates to steamworks mods would be so handy.

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread 1nsane
Nonsense! It once said that the CPU usage was 125% That is clearly accurate. But in regards to FPS and CPU usage. You can use task manager too. If its boosted the general CPU usage will be the same regardless of what fps_max is set to. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM, [ЯтR] The-/iller

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Rick Payton
This is what I use for a point of reference, but with anything, there's always going to be tweaking involved. But start with this: http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/Tickrate#Server_Bandwidth_Ca lculation_for_Dummies --mauirixxx -Original Message- From:

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Blood Letter
You'll only ever see bad performance when you run out of CPU overhead, RAM, or bandwidth. What are you talking about? You want your average usage to be under 100%, sure. But 50% was my peak when I forced a non sotp panic event on all servers and spawned a bunch of crap. Date: Sun, 1 Mar

Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008

2009-03-01 Thread Blood Letter
I was monitoring CPU usage at the machine... Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:10:19 -0500 From: kil...@righttorule.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 2003 or 2008 Also the cpu number in the stats query isn't the best Midnight wrote: That's kinda the point. You don't