Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi Mike, Thanks for the comments. On 19 Oct 2012, at 18:16, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:36 AM, Tim Chown wrote: We can take comments towards a -06 over the weekend. The most substantial changes are in the Naming and Service Discovery section (3.7), so if you

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-arch-05.txt

2012-10-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi Ray, Thanks for the thorough review, as always :) On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:24, Ray Hunter v6...@globis.net wrote: Thanks for editing this, Tim. As requested, comments towards -06 Substantive Comments Section 2.1 /The addition of routing between subnets raises

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 07:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote: And I don't think this possibility is excluded at all by the current arch text either. It talks of an authoritative name service running on the CER, with a dynamic registration service (e.g. dyndns). I have added 'as far as possible' to the unmanaged

[homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-arch-06.txt

2012-10-22 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Home Networking Working Group of the IETF. Title : Home Networking Architecture for IPv6 Author(s) : Tim Chown Jari Arkko

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Kerry Lynn
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 10/22/2012 07:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote: And I don't think this possibility is excluded at all by the current arch text either. It talks of an authoritative name service running on the CER, with a dynamic registration

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 19/10/2012 18:16, Michael Thomas wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:36 AM, Tim Chown wrote: We can take comments towards a -06 over the weekend. The most substantial changes are in the Naming and Service Discovery section (3.7), so if you have limited time please focus your reading there. One

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 09:30 AM, Kerry Lynn wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com mailto:m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 10/22/2012 07:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote: And I don't think this possibility is excluded at all by the current arch text either. It talks of an

[homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-arch-06.txt

2012-10-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, The -06 that I've just posted includes some comments made since last Friday. Tim On 22 Oct 2012, at 17:23, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Home Networking Working Group of

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 09:31 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 19/10/2012 18:16, Michael Thomas wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:36 AM, Tim Chown wrote: We can take comments towards a -06 over the weekend. The most substantial changes are in the Naming and Service Discovery section (3.7), so if you have limited

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread james woodyatt
On Oct 22, 2012, at 06:12 , Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Therefore what seems to be on the table for homenet are: [...] d) NPT66 (RFC6296), which the homenet arch does not recommend, but see draft-bonica-v6-multihome-03. [...] Why is this option still on the table? Who is arguing

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:43 PM, james woodyatt j...@apple.com wrote: Can we strengthen HOMENET arch to deprecate NPT66 explicitly? Yes, please. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread mike
On 10/22/12 11:07 AM, Tim Chown wrote: On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:47, Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:43 PM, james woodyatt j...@apple.com wrote: Can we strengthen HOMENET arch to deprecate NPT66 explicitly? Yes, please. I meant 'on the table' as there is a draft out

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-arch-05.txt

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 07:26 AM, Tim Chown wrote: On 19 Oct 2012, at 17:55, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: If you get an ISP's name couldn't you always with or without their cooperation generate names of the form host.uniquestring.isp.net? Where uniquestring is either statistically unique (cf

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread james woodyatt
On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:28 , mike m...@mtcc.com wrote: I'd say that until we have source address selection that actually works and is widely deployed, that taking anything off the table is premature. Source address selection applies just as much on a homenet as anyplace else. Disagree.

Re: [homenet] service announcement vs service discovery

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 09:30 AM, Kerry Lynn wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com mailto:m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 10/22/2012 07:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote: And I don't think this possibility is excluded at all by the current arch text either. It talks of an

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/2012 11:57 AM, james woodyatt wrote: On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:28 , mike m...@mtcc.com wrote: I'd say that until we have source address selection that actually works and is widely deployed, that taking anything off the table is premature. Source address selection applies just as much on

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-haddad-homenet-multihomed-00

2012-10-22 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
Since earlier on this thread someone was asking for consensus: for the record, I agree with all James's points. I think that homenet should declare that NPT66 is not a supported means for multihoming in home networks. Yes, there is a multihoming problem, but no, NPT66 is not a solution/ NPT66 is