Re: [homenet] question: equal-cost multipath?

2015-08-11 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 8/11/15, 5:17 PM, homenet on behalf of Juliusz Chroboczek homenet-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: I am interested to learn what people think about whether equal-cost multi-path routes are needed in homenet. Given the previous discussion about parallel

Re: [homenet] Despair

2015-08-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hey Dino, On 8/5/15, 1:01 PM, homenet on behalf of Dino Farinacci homenet-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of farina...@gmail.com wrote: There are a lot of things wrong in the IETF. And there are some good things about the IETF. Let’s just keep the discussions technical. We may have to be

Re: [homenet] Despair

2015-08-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Alia, On Aug 5, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Alia Atlas akat...@gmail.commailto:akat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mikael, On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.semailto:swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Toerless Eckert (eckert) wrote: Still sucks to tweak a routing

Re: [homenet] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-homenet-dncp-05.txt

2015-07-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.commailto:mel...@fugue.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.commailto:dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: a bit offtopic, it would be good to have IANA assign some port numbers soon, if they have not already. (?) The way

Re: [homenet] routing protocol comparison document and hncp

2015-03-02 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Curtis, The main reason for going forward with IS-IS over OSPFv3 is that there was an open source implementation willing to implement and support all the enhancements necessary for Homenet. Admittedly, the source/destination routing requirement makes the entrance barrier a bit higher for

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-02-18 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 2/18/15, 9:19 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: I also think there should also be more explicit links back into the Homenet Architecture document [...] Perhaps a table with complies does not comply or partially complies per paragraph or phrase? Good point.

Re: [homenet] IS-IS reconvergence over WiFi [was: Routing protocol comparison]

2015-02-18 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 2/18/15, 9:52 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: - Babel will avoid creating loops even when reconverging, but might create blackholes; IS-IS will collapse during reconvergence; I would say the IS-IS will create micro-loops and blackholes during reconvergence. I

Re: [homenet] Stub-only implementation of Babel

2014-12-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Who contributed the ISIS implementation in Erlang? I must admit I haven¹t followed it closely but I thought all the quagga work was C or C++? On 12/5/14, 8:29 AM, Markus Stenberg markus.stenb...@iki.fi wrote: On 23.11.2014, at 23.53, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote:

Re: [homenet] Next Steps for Routing Protocol

2014-11-18 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 11/18/14, 1:46 AM, Teco Boot t...@inf-net.nl wrote: Op 17 nov. 2014, om 17:53 heeft Margaret Wasserman margaret...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Teco Boot t...@inf-net.nl wrote: It could be long enough to get in trouble. There could be more than two

Re: [homenet] Next Steps for Routing Protocol

2014-11-18 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Juliusz, I think I understand. If there is the potential for a loop (advertised distance = babel router’s former distance), babel will wait for the next sequenced route from the source. So, the loop-free guarantee is at the expense of potentially faster convergence. Correct? Thanks, Acee

Re: [homenet] Next Steps for Routing Protocol

2014-11-15 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 11/15/14, 7:57 AM, Margaret Wasserman margaret...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: Mark, please scratch my previous offer to implement a stub-only variant of Babel. Please let me know how much flash and RAM you give me,

Re: [homenet] Next Steps for Routing Protocol

2014-11-15 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
While we didn¹t spend a lot of time on it in Thursday¹s meeting, it was proposed that the IoT device domain would never be used for transit so it only needed to get a default (or other aggregate) and inject a prefix and the HNCP could be made to satisfy this requirement. On 11/15/14, 10:36 AM,

Re: [homenet] [Anima] Ted Lemon's Block on charter-ietf-anima-00-09: (with BLOCK)

2014-10-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 10/4/14, 10:16 PM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/10/2014 09:24, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Right - but we still have to agree on the admin or, as you put it, ownership model. At least one of the proposal for autonomic networking is a centralized approach

Re: [homenet] [Anima] Ted Lemon's Block on charter-ietf-anima-00-09: (with BLOCK)

2014-10-04 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
. Some ceremonies work to improve privacy and security. The home network needs to be owned by the home user(s) or agent (could be the ISP or some over-the-top retail solution, etc.). Mark On Oct 3, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: One thing we need to do in homenet

Re: [homenet] [Anima] Ted Lemon's Block on charter-ietf-anima-00-09: (with BLOCK)

2014-10-03 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
One thing we need to do in homenet is agree on the network administration model. I believe many of us started with the assumption of plug and play but are now accepting the fact that minimal configuration will be required to vet devices on the homenet. If we can agree on similar network admin

Re: [homenet] HNCP security?

2014-09-22 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I agree with this direction. This will also let the work HCNP and Security Threats/Requirements to go on in parallel. Of course, HCNP security may need to be revisited once the latter is agreed upon. Thanks, Acee On 9/21/14, 3:22 PM, Mark Baugher m...@mbaugher.com wrote: On Sep 20, 2014, at

Re: [homenet] HNCP security?

2014-09-13 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I agree with Markus. The conflicting goals of self-configuration and security seem to be a recurring theme in homenet. I reread the security section in the ³Homenet Architecture² and it mainly covers with security at the edges (which presumes effective edge detection). There is this statement

Re: [homenet] Source Address Dependent Routing - draft-sarikaya-6man-sadr-overview-00

2014-09-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On Sep 10, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: I’ve heard it said over and over in HOMENET sessions that we weren’t going to put new requirements on the host stacks. Why is this draft interesting? HOMENET doesn't

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-08-01 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 8/1/14, 12:47 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: Given the current RIPng standard timers, it could also be argued that RIPng, as specified, doesn't meet the convergence requirements. Minimising convergence time should be a goal in any routed environment.

Re: [homenet] Clarification on Routing Thoughts

2014-07-26 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 7/25/14, 3:31 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: RJ, If I understand you right, you're pushing for an approach where we don't say anything about the routing protocol, and wait for the market to converge on RIPng, thus ensuring interoperability. Please correct me