Re: [homenet] biggest L2 domain

ot;every single hole in the box is a routed port". Now that's my understanding and not necessarily written down somewhere. Magically grouping ports into a common L2 network and then un-grouping them in case one of them turns out to have another HNCP device connected sounds like

Re: [homenet] DNCP/HNCP Revisited

te packets inside, and not doing outer fragmentation") Packet gone. No fragmentation of any sort involved, just incorrectly set up L2 segments. (Rule #1 for real world operation: ensure that end system L3 MTU is always <= the smallest L2 MTU that the packet might encounter in your

Re: [homenet] draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation vs. DynDNS

something to happen, I do it on the host". Looking at my parents' setup, things like "teamviewer" work because they do not need configuration on their router. It has its own namespace, registers the host, and it can be found (due to IPv4 NAT, it needs to also use a ren

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

rent ISPs and vendors and it automatically leads to a nice multihomed and network robust against failure or mis-plugging of cables". "The tiny minority" does not need that, the large majority does. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNe

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

for normal people is going to look like? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

get mired in the tar pit of dealing with > first-mile internet service provider stuff. I find the model of "there is a CPE, and behind that CPE, I connect another router to get homenet functionality" a bit unsatisfactory. Is that what you're saying how home Internet connec

Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA

that fast *and* unreliable at the same time as many of today's consumer ISPs offer. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culeman

Re: [homenet] Please review security considerations of draft-homenet-babel-profile

me result for no other reason > than that you for some reason didn't like that trick. Relying on "it must be a link local src and link local dst" sounds much more sane than "we permit arbitrary packets to reach us from the outside and then worry about criteria to ignore them

Re: [homenet] "Installing Homenet" guide (was: hnet-full & LEDE bug report)

emarks that the "just expand your wireless range by hooking up additional routers" is not working very nicely with (wifi-)roaming clients yet, as the clients today seem to have funny ideas about TCP sessions and new v6 addresses when changing AP... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- hav

Re: [homenet] Reachability of distributed prefixes

WG list context. The advertised IETF solution for "(SoHo) multihoming" is "multiple global IPv6 addresses", but this does not work yet as well as it could, partly due to this missing piece. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on somethi

Re: [homenet] Reachability of distributed prefixes

id firewalls blocking the necessary extension headers. And that it solves a different problem. But otherwise, yes, shim6 would have been nice to see... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Jose

Re: [homenet] HNCP: avoiding renumbering

Hi, On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 11:57:07PM -0700, Toerless Eckert wrote: I don't know why Juliusz called stable storage bad. I'd assume it has to do with flash write cycles on $30 routers... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

active working group, many more RFCs to document it, and so on - but what of this is *relevant* here? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

Hi, On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 02:30:58PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, Gert Doering wrote: To me, the main reason seems to be that a very vocal minority insists that it absolutely *has* to be IS-IS... Yes, it's a lot easier to reach agreement on one solution

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

to choose. To me, the main reason seems to be that a very vocal minority insists that it absolutely *has* to be IS-IS... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14

Re: [homenet] Despair

Hi, On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:12:59AM -0700, Dino Farinacci wrote: I vote for Babel. +1 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors

Re: [homenet] Despair

teams, requirement documents, comparison documents, *more* requirement documents, ad-hoc committees, and I think someone mentioned a flash task force. Pathetic indeed. But as long as IS-IS gets another number of RFCs out of this, no harm done, right? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you

Re: [homenet] some IS-IS questions

and getting the documents done and standardized... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

Hi, On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:04:28PM +, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote: Based on the requirements above, I would use ISIS for (a) and configure a static route to the wifi link to deal with (b). If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail Gert Doering -- NetMaster

Re: [homenet] Moving forward.

industry. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-06.txt

: if I tell my router hey, I want to use /127s on point-to-point links, this is unless configured otherwise by an administrator, so the MUST is not getting in the way then. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand

Re: [homenet] Selecting a routing protocol for HOMENET

impossible to use in cross-vendor scenarios for non-experts. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] routing protocol comparison document and hncp

to entertain you reading draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap which gives a good idea how this could work (the general ideas, maybe not the specific implementation). Of course the normal end user is not going to ever look at or manually generate a certificate. Gert Doering -- NetMaster

Re: [homenet] routing protocol comparison document and hncp

Hi, On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 07:48:24PM -0500, Curtis Villamizar wrote: The way IETF has normally done things is to allow multiple developments to exist if they have support and then drop only those that are not being deployed or prove to be less desirable. Having multiple examples of running

Re: [homenet] routing protocol comparison document and hncp

, and get it deployed camp, which means no, we don't do everything-on-top-of-ISIS. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner

Re: [homenet] a modest plugfest proposal

of the wg. I very much like that idea. (Unfortunately, I won't be at the IETF meeting, but I am one of those few that have actually deployed hnetd/HNCP before :) so I claim sufficient experience) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [homenet] More about marginal links [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

implementations) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG

Re: [homenet] A poll

committee behaviour. Or so. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

not talking about a routing protocol for every possible use case here - we're talking about a fairly well defined environment (aka fairly small number of devices, IPv4 and IPv6 only, and implementations constrained by lack of clue on the manufacturer side). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

thing we want to do with metrics). This is actually something I have been wondering about. Why not use HNCP to do all the work, when it's already nicely establishing a communication infrastructure? This decision happened before I joined this list... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have

Re: [homenet] Implementations of IS-IS

implementations: - on Linux, it uses a PF_PACKET, SOCK_DGRAM socket; I was aware that you can use that to *send* raw frames, but didn't know you could use that to receive as well (done via joining the [ethernet] multicast groups). Interesting. thanks, Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you

Re: [homenet] Implementations of IS-IS [was: Routing protocol comparison document]

link-local v6, so no need to mess with packet capturing etc. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807

Re: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

, and all that, or policy based routing with manual configuration. But not we have a single routing protocol that transports (src,dest) routing info - at least I've never seen anything in $C or $J land. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [homenet] sorting out the right ipv6 addr to choose and name in a source specific world

should be good enough or maybe /48 or even /64 level...) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] sorting out the right ipv6 addr to choose and name in a source specific world

connecting fastest. Mmmh, interesting idea, yes. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] sorting out the right ipv6 addr to choose and name in a source specific world

of the diversity spectrum (vs. all hosts in our /32 have roughly the same network characteristics). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors

Re: [homenet] sorting out the right ipv6 addr to choose and name in a source specific world

by this pair. This is extremely cool (and quite likely one of the reasons why mosh performs so well under adverse network conditions). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen

Re: [homenet] dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

to fly for enterprise networks (= can't have the user decide that). (In case this wasn't obvious, I'm agreeing with Ole here, I just try to shed light from a slightly different angle on that.) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

that happen? Right :-) ). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

! - no, my mom doesn't need to do that) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

, and that people can focus on useful labels instead (like, hostnames or telephone numbers, which in itself are only useful because phone books exist to map a name to a number and traditional phones could not call names). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

fun, without even having to reconnect. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Hi, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:41:55AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote: On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Gert Doering g...@space.net wrote: flash renumber is a problem is pretty much a non-argument, as flash renumbering *will* happen, and devices in the home *will* have to handle it. Indeed

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

in I want to do this the old way! I have always done it that way! or a standard mom and dad household? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Hi, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:13:34AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote: On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Gert Doering g...@space.net wrote: Indeed. The question is, should we increase the number of instances in which they are forced to handle it, or no? Because this is the only way

Re: [homenet] New version draft-mglt-homenet-naming-architecture-dhc-options-02.txt

whether names should be auto-exported or not, and I actually want all my machines be visible, and most of them be *reachable*, since they can protect themselves. They have to. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [homenet] Updates to Homenet Architecture Principles doc

does not make it a *homenet*. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

, and I still maintain no - to the contrary, it is harmful - as you said, we can be happy if CPE vendors get one protocol right. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

typical environment for a CPE router. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

opaque LSAs for arbitrary address families, and one other link-state protocol that runs over IPv6 and can transport opaque LSAs for arbitrary address families. Yes, this is quite obviously going to be a big win. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

Hi, On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 09:16:44PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014, Gert Doering wrote: This is actually a feature, the fact that ISIS doesn't require IPv6 to be up and running before it can get itself started and you know the topology of the home. Uh, what

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

Hi, On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 08:57:16PM +, Leddy, John wrote: But for anyone that wants to run IPX, DecNet, Appletalk, Banyon Vines? In *homenet*? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AGVorstand: Sebastian v

Re: [homenet] Single or Multiple Routing Protocols in Homenet

Hi, On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Douglas Otis wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014, Gert Doering wrote: So I'd keep the list of supported protocols as small as possible - and stick to IP protocols. ISIS is great for ISP environments, but does not nicely adapt to a unix