Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
2009/8/15 Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de: Jonathan, there is an easy way to handle such problems (parts): LEARN HOW TO TRANSPOSE That is he ONLY way. Oh, I agree entirely. But Valerie's question was about the fact that, although she *can* transpose, she is used to the idea that the transposition is into the home key of the piece, and therefore a written C major arpeggio traces out the notes of the tonic chord. This makes for an nice easy way of giving yourself a pitch reference for entries. If you don't have perfect pitch, that can be very useful. Whether I'm transposing or not, for high register entries I'm always listening out for what is going on around me so I can obtain a pitch reference that will help me hit an entry cleanly. I find that in this respect playing the horn is very like singing. If you can't hear the note in your mind, you can't play it. But sometimes the transposition isn't to the home key of the piece (there are many examples and I provided a few). In such cases, it can be a bit unsettling that the normal pitch references don't work. There's no way round it other than to know the key of the piece and therefore where the tonic really is, and then to make the necessary mental adjustments. I would regard learning how to do that as part of learning how to transpose, and it just has to be done. I rather suspect you are of the same opinion. I was trying to offer some insights into how. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
Wow you guys sure do make things complicated! If I had given this much thought to what note I was suppose to be playing or what key the rest of the orchestra was playing compared to what my transposition was, I don't think I would have ever played the correct note. Well not that I always played the correct note anyway. :) Milton --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Jonathan West jw...@mvps.org wrote: From: Jonathan West jw...@mvps.org Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 7:02 AM 2009/8/15 Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de: Jonathan, there is an easy way to handle such problems (parts): LEARN HOW TO TRANSPOSE That is he ONLY way. Oh, I agree entirely. But Valerie's question was about the fact that, although she *can* transpose, she is used to the idea that the transposition is into the home key of the piece, and therefore a written C major arpeggio traces out the notes of the tonic chord. This makes for an nice easy way of giving yourself a pitch reference for entries. If you don't have perfect pitch, that can be very useful. Whether I'm transposing or not, for high register entries I'm always listening out for what is going on around me so I can obtain a pitch reference that will help me hit an entry cleanly. I find that in this respect playing the horn is very like singing. If you can't hear the note in your mind, you can't play it. But sometimes the transposition isn't to the home key of the piece (there are many examples and I provided a few). In such cases, it can be a bit unsettling that the normal pitch references don't work. There's no way round it other than to know the key of the piece and therefore where the tonic really is, and then to make the necessary mental adjustments. I would regard learning how to do that as part of learning how to transpose, and it just has to be done. I rather suspect you are of the same opinion. I was trying to offer some insights into how. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
message: 4 date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:25:56 +0200 from: Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de subject: AW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Hello all, I need help too. I was in a city last spring, arriving by air, but I do not remember, where it was. Nor do I have any idea, what a continent it was. I remember, the regular gangway to the plane was not the same as on my home airport. It did not match the door height of the plane, but it matched for other planes. Very confusing, indeed. Any help is welcome, so I can find out, where I had landed this past spring. Well, stop joking now. If one cannot remember after three four months which piece he or she played, does not speak for the player. Was it an oratory by Mendelssohn ? - Well, not every piece is just a piece ! This is too simple. Mendelssohn other contemporaries often used two differently pitched pair of horns, - natural horns - . The 2nd pair is pitched higher quite often, mainly in G or A. The 2n pair is for a fourth different than the 1st pair (ex.: first pair in E, 2nd pair in A = equally to F/Bb double horn). Why the 2nd pair higher ? The first pair (lower) has to play some manipulated pitches, while the 2nd higher pair nearly avoids manipulated pitches remains for the open calls. So the 2nd pairs musical text remains quite simple, but delicate on modern double horns. A final question: is it really so difficult, remembering titles of certain music, if the title is written in a foreign language ? Or was it the overwhelming impression left by the conductor, which forced one to forget not only the conductors name, but also the title of the music ? Now, Hans, you should not be so harsh in your judgements making because if you have forgettings of your travels and have reminders needing then I can only be saying now that soon your transpositions you will be having the forgettings of as well so a new invention you will be needing as well as others which the perfections of I am now having the makings of in my shop and this will solve all of your transpositionings and some other problems as well and I am having the callings of it the TRANSPOSITRONICDIMENTIAOMETER which works something like a GPS but it guides you through the piece on the LCD screen on your stand once you are having your parts in there and if you order it with the optional TONICALSUBDOMINANTALDOMINANTIAL plug in, it even tells you what key the piece is in so then you will be one step ahead of the conductor, as well and it works by a little headphone in your ear and a mostest pleasantest of female voice does speakings like In 30 measures, switch to E flat - down a whole tone and Danger ahead, second movement in H basso, down an augmented 4th and You just missed a transposition change! Switch to C alto now! And try not to miss any notes! Seasonings Greetonings and Mostestest of Clamifications from a Hot and Sultry Bad Corner, NH, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (ret., bad knees) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Was Kopprasch God's Other Son? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Clammers Anonymous (a twelve half step program) Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory Founder and Disseminator of CLAMSAA, the Universal Holiday for Horn Players Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Anborg, Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone, Val*Mart and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
Most wise Professor. This old hornist asks the most relevelant question, does the female voice say recalculating after one clams a transposed note with this system that all of the younger techie geeks will flock to buy and place on their stands? Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? What a great idea, wish I'd thought of it to go along side my Val-Mart brand horn. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: horntr...@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:28:26 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) message: 4 date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:25:56 +0200 from: Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de subject: AW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Hello all, I need help too. I was in a city last spring, arriving by air, but I do not remember, where it was. Nor do I have any idea, what a continent it was. I remember, the regular gangway to the plane was not the same as on my home airport. It did not match the door height of the plane, but it matched for other planes. Very confusing, indeed. Any help is welcome, so I can find out, where I had landed this past spring. Well, stop joking now. If one cannot remember after three four months which piece he or she played, does not speak for the player. Was it an oratory by Mendelssohn ? - Well, not every piece is just a piece ! This is too simple. Mendelssohn other contemporaries often used two differently pitched pair of horns, - natural horns - . The 2nd pair is pitched higher quite often, mainly in G or A. The 2n pair is for a fourth different than the 1st pair (ex.: first pair in E, 2nd pair in A = equally to F/Bb double horn). Why the 2nd pair higher ? The first pair (lower) has to play some manipulated pitches, while the 2nd higher pair nearly avoids manipulated pitches remains for the open calls. So the 2nd pairs musical text remains quite simple, but delicate on modern double horns. A final question: is it really so difficult, remembering titles of certain music, if the title is written in a foreign language ? Or was it the overwhelming impression left by the conductor, which forced one to forget not only the conductors name, but also the title of the music ? Now, Hans, you should not be so harsh in your judgements making because if you have forgettings of your travels and have reminders needing then I can only be saying now that soon your transpositions you will be having the forgettings of as well so a new invention you will be needing as well as others which the perfections of I am now having the makings of in my shop and this will solve all of your transpositionings and some other problems as well and I am having the callings of it the TRANSPOSITRONICDIMENTIAOMETER which works something like a GPS but it guides you through the piece on the LCD screen on your stand once you are having your parts in there and if you order it with the optional TONICALSUBDOMINANTALDOMINANTIAL plug in, it even tells you what key the piece is in so then you will be one step ahead of the conductor, as well and it works by a little headphone in your ear and a mostest pleasantest of female voice does speakings like In 30 measures, switch to E flat - down a whole tone and Danger ahead, second movement in H basso, down an augmented 4th and You just missed a transposition change! Switch to C alto now! And try not to miss any notes! Seasonings Greetonings and Mostestest of Clamifications from a Hot and Sultry Bad Corner, NH, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (ret., bad knees) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Was Kopprasch God's Other Son? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
Hans Hans!!! You have been drinking to much!! You are beginning to sound nice :) As for your new machines: You will need to add fingerings as well. Oh yes, and don't worry about getting off the plane and not knowing where you are. As long as someone is not shooting at you, you must be in the right place. :) Milton Milton Kicklighter Buffalo Phil retired --- On Mon, 8/17/09, lewho...@yahoo.com lewho...@yahoo.com wrote: From: lewho...@yahoo.com lewho...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 1:40 PM Most wise Professor. This old hornist asks the most relevelant question, does the female voice say recalculating after one clams a transposed note with this system that all of the younger techie geeks will flock to buy and place on their stands? Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? What a great idea, wish I'd thought of it to go along side my Val-Mart brand horn. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: horntr...@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:28:26 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) message: 4 date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:25:56 +0200 from: Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de subject: AW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Hello all, I need help too. I was in a city last spring, arriving by air, but I do not remember, where it was. Nor do I have any idea, what a continent it was. I remember, the regular gangway to the plane was not the same as on my home airport. It did not match the door height of the plane, but it matched for other planes. Very confusing, indeed. Any help is welcome, so I can find out, where I had landed this past spring. Well, stop joking now. If one cannot remember after three four months which piece he or she played, does not speak for the player. Was it an oratory by Mendelssohn ? - Well, not every piece is just a piece ! This is too simple. Mendelssohn other contemporaries often used two differently pitched pair of horns, - natural horns - . The 2nd pair is pitched higher quite often, mainly in G or A. The 2n pair is for a fourth different than the 1st pair (ex.: first pair in E, 2nd pair in A = equally to F/Bb double horn). Why the 2nd pair higher ? The first pair (lower) has to play some manipulated pitches, while the 2nd higher pair nearly avoids manipulated pitches remains for the open calls. So the 2nd pairs musical text remains quite simple, but delicate on modern double horns. A final question: is it really so difficult, remembering titles of certain music, if the title is written in a foreign language ? Or was it the overwhelming impression left by the conductor, which forced one to forget not only the conductors name, but also the title of the music ? Now, Hans, you should not be so harsh in your judgements making because if you have forgettings of your travels and have reminders needing then I can only be saying now that soon your transpositions you will be having the forgettings of as well so a new invention you will be needing as well as others which the perfections of I am now having the makings of in my shop and this will solve all of your transpositionings and some other problems as well and I am having the callings of it the TRANSPOSITRONICDIMENTIAOMETER which works something like a GPS but it guides you through the piece on the LCD screen on your stand once you are having your parts in there and if you order it with the optional TONICALSUBDOMINANTALDOMINANTIAL plug in, it even tells you what key the piece is in so then you will be one step ahead of the conductor, as well and it works by a little headphone in your ear and a mostest pleasantest of female voice does speakings like In 30 measures, switch to E flat - down a whole tone and Danger ahead, second movement in H basso, down an augmented 4th and You just missed a transposition change! Switch to C alto now! And try not to miss any notes! Seasonings Greetonings and Mostestest of Clamifications from a Hot and Sultry Bad Corner, NH, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (ret., bad knees) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
lewho...@yahoo.com asked: ?Does the female voice say recalculating after one clams a transposed note? My inner guidance system generally suggests turn left (or right, alternatively), and scowl at the assistant (or second). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
An apocryphal story about such as female warning devices. It started with the US B58 bomber. Air Force engineers discovered that male pilots would respond to recorded hazard warnings is a female voice was used. Our dear, departed friends the Sov's picked up on this. The apocryphal part, it is told that a senior Sov Air Force officer was trying to land his jet aircraft in East Germany. He was having all kinds of system problems. Radio intercept equipment in the West is said to have recorded his fight to save is a/c including his final frustration with all the warnings being played to him in a female voice with a shut up b*tch. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Haflich Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:45 PM To: lewho...@yahoo.com; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) lewho...@yahoo.com asked: ?Does the female voice say recalculating after one clams a transposed note? My inner guidance system generally suggests turn left (or right, alternatively), and scowl at the assistant (or second). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
Well it looks like our recent migration has not solved the problem of software incombatability. On Aug 16, 2009, at 2:56 AM, hans.pi...@t-online.de hans.pi...@t-online.de wrote: ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
On Aug 16, 2009, at 6:35 AM, William.S.Gross wrote: Well it looks like our recent migration has not solved the problem of software incombatability. Mainly because the migration hasn't happened yet Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis d...@music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
That's the best reason I can think of. On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Dan Phillips d...@music.memphis.edu wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 6:35 AM, William.S.Gross wrote: Well it looks like our recent migration has not solved the problem of software incombatability. Mainly because the migration hasn't happened yet Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis d...@music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
2009/8/14 wells123...@juno.com wells123...@juno.com: Am I making any sense here? Have any of you had a similar experience? Is there a strategy I can employ to avoid that sort of disaster again? Hi Valerie This isn't an uncommon situation - the 2 pairs of horns quite often get crooked in different keys either so that they can cover more notes of the scale so that the 4 horns can play complex chord sequences between them, or so that the second pair can take over when the key modulates. Dvorak uses different crooks for both of these purposes in his 6th symphony. The first movement has horns 1 2 in D, and horns 3 4 in E; the second movement has horns 1 2 in F with 3 4 in Bb basso, 3rd movement 1 2 in F, 3 4 in D and 4th movement 1 2 in E and 3 4 in D. Also, if the piece is in a minor key, it is not uncommon for the horns to be crooked in something other than the keynote of the piece. I just played a concert last night on the Edinburgh Fringe which included the Mozart C minor Serenade. The horns were in Eb. As for dealing the confusion of not having the horn crooked in the home key of the piece, there's no really easy way of handling it. All you can do is make sure you do know what the key of the piece is and adjust your mind accordingly. The hardest time I have had with that is Brahms 3, which is in F but has the first two horns crooked in C throughout. Playing 1st for that was a bit unsettling initially until I worked out where I was relative to the key of the piece. I don't know which Mendelssohn piece you were playing but both the Scottish Symphony and the Overture Ruy Blas have the two pairs of horns crooked in different keys like this. The most extreme example that I know of where this happens is the Berlioz Symphony Fantastique, where if I recall correctly at one point all four horns are playing at the same time and each is crooked in a different key. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
The most extreme example that I know of where this happens is the Berlioz Symphony Fantastique, where if I recall correctly at one point all four horns are playing at the same time and each is crooked in a different key. Regards Jonathan West There's a quartet by Gallay like this too! I'd say, get a set of Brahms symphonies on CD and scores, and go through them (at least the juiciest bits) singing the parts as you go (with fingering). You'll get used to it. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
This business of scoring horns in multiple keys is not limited to two pairs of horns, or four individual horns. Even Mozart wrote for two horns in different keys -- the well-known example is the outer movements of the 40th Symphony, one hown each in Bb alto and G. The 25th is in the same keys, but with two pairs of horns. Note that most of these 18th and early 19th C works don't title Horns 12 in Bb and Horns 34 in G. Rather it is Horns in Bb and Horn in G. This is despite the fact that violins would be titled something like primo and secundo. The concept and need for numbering horn parts (and similarly the paired woodwinds) seems to have arisen later. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
Hi Val, I guess I am also confused. So: What key was the 1st and 2nd in, and what key were you in??? I am not quite sure what you are asking. Milton --- On Fri, 8/14/09, wells123...@juno.com wells123...@juno.com wrote: From: wells123...@juno.com wells123...@juno.com Subject: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) To: horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 5:01 PM I apologize for double posting this, but I really need help. Who knows? There may be someone here who can answer me that's not on the other list. I've hesitated to ask this question for a long time because I'm not sure I can find the words to adequately explain what I mean. Well, here goes: This past spring, I played a Mendelsohn piece. (Sorry, can't even remember which one, something for Easter.) I was on 3rd horn. The 1st and 2nd horn players were transposing to one horn key, but I was transposing to a completely different horn key, I think a fifth higher or lower than they were. Anyway, the tonic of their horn key corresponded with the tonic of the whole orchestra. So when the first second horns played their written C, it was the tonic that matched what the whole orchestra played. But my tonic, my written C, was NOT the tonic of the rest of the orchestra. If I remember correctly my written C, was the dominate or the subdominate of the key the orchestra played. I wasn't very familiar with the piece, but before the rehearsal I wasn't really worried about it because it looked simple. I only played through it once or twice showed up to the first rehearsal thinking I was prepared. I was shocked that I could hardly play 50% of the notes correctly. Nothing felt correct. In my mind, I wanted MY tonic written C to correspond with the tonic of the whole orchestra, but it didn't work that way. It was horribly confusing and I just couldn't play it correctly on the fly, if you know what I mean. I had to go home transpose it to horn in F to make it work. Am I making any sense here? Have any of you had a similar experience? Is there a strategy I can employ to avoid that sort of disaster again? Valerie Wells The Balanced Embouchure for French Horn wells123...@juno.com Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsKdC5g7GHOsL2d8kftuBZeAfnR5Rq1BAvBta773iWkZocDhhGUFKg/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
