Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] minutes from 3 June 2016 oversight board meeting
On Jun 3, 2016 6:19 PM, "Walter Bender" wrote: > > I am certain to yet again be accused of making an ad hominem attack, but I have to say that I was extremely disappointed in the lack of preparedness for this meeting. Several community members had been working on motions, requesting comments and feedback over the course of several months. And yet it was only during the meeting itself that feedback from committee members was forthcoming. I want to commend the board on a very different meeting today: working together to get motions ready to pass, or passing them despite minor wording or other minor concerns at today's meeting. Well done :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Simplified Motion to create and define the position of Sugar Labs Finance Manager
Hi Congratulations to Caryl and Adam for finally getting the Finance Manager position approved! :) Hooray!! :D On 1 July 2016 at 14:10, Adam Holt wrote: > PS this is very hard work (and I am not yet sure how to determine SL's exact > balance on April 1st 2016) but an early example of a possible quarterly > finance report is below: It seems that the FM office is now open, and the next step is for the board to appoint someone and agree a stipend for them. Adam has largely been volunteering to do a less defined role, with his ledger-cli skillz, and in the SLOB meeting today volunteered to assume the role until a professional can be found and appointed. I am also willing to volunteer for the appointment, and work with Adam to make the ledger-cli black arts a little less severe. Cheers Dave ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Simplified Motion to create and define the position of Sugar Labs Finance Manager
Based on Tony Anderson and Caryl Bigenho's work especially -- thank you Caryl for working for so many months with so many others (including many hours by telephone today with me alone) to write this up -- and thanks to many others who've contributed behind the scenes: The Sugar Labs Oversight Board shall appoint a Finance Manager by majority vote from among the members of Sugar Labs Oversight Board. The Finance Manager serves at the will of the board. The Finance Manager may be paid a stipend at the discretion of the board. Duties of the Finance Manager will be to: 1. Serve as Sugar Lab's central coordinator on all financial matters. 2. Report quarterly at a scheduled Oversight Board meeting the following: - Confirmation of the accuracy of the previous quarter's report according to the Software Freedom Conservancy - Balance at the beginning of the quarter preceding the meeting - Expenses during the quarter - Income received during the quarter - Balance at the end of the quarter 3. The Finance Manager has discretion to approve petty cash amounts up to $200 to pay for miscellaneous expenditures critical for the functioning of Sugar Labs. If approved and everything is in order, these will often be paid within (about) 30 days of when they are submitted to the Software Freedom Conservancy, who control Sugar Labs' banking. If not approved, the applicant is free to ask for a vote at a future Oversight Board meeting. 4. All motions for funding of larger projects will be presented first to the Finance Manager who will review them to be sure the funds are being used in a way that appears fiscally sound. If everything is in order, the Finance Manager will place the motion on the agenda for consideration at the next possible Oversight Board meeting, and circulate on the IAEP mailing list for public discussion. 5. At the meeting, after a finance motion has been moved and seconded, discussion should be confined to the motion. PS this is very hard work (and I am not yet sure how to determine SL's exact balance on April 1st 2016) but an early example of a possible quarterly finance report is below: (0) $7000 received (or soon to be received) from GCI (Google) of which $6300 for Sugar Labs and $700 for SFConservancy (1) Walter Bender paid $807.22 for flight to Constructionism 2016 (2) Walter Bender paid $168.60 for hotel at Constructionism 2016 (3) Walter Bender paid $250.00 for registration for Constructionism 2016 (4) Walter Bender paid $3.00 for Boston parking for Constructionism 2016 (5) Walter Bender paid $30.21 for Uber in Thailand Constructionism 2016 (6) Walter Bender paid $130.26 for per diem (personal expenses) at Constructionism 2016 (7) Walter Bender paid $787.31 for Devin Ulibarri's flight to Constructionism 2016 Above 7 lines total to $2176.60 (8) Devin Ulibarri paid $380 for registration at Constructionism 2016 (9) Devin Ulibarri paid $168.60 for hotel at Constructionism 2016 (10) Devin Ulibarri paid $354.48 for per diem (personal expenses) at Constructionism 2016 (11) Devin Ulibarri paid $500 consulting stipend for Constructionism 2016 Above 4 lines total to $903.08 (12) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $82.25 = 26.66+17.48+32.25+5.86 for bus transport to Simposio Internacial (translation/Peru) (13) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $20.66 for hotel at Simposio Internacial (translation/Peru) (14) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $58.97 per diem (personal expenses) at Simposio Internacial (translation/Peru) Above 3 lines total to $161.88 (15) Mariah Noelle Villarreal paid (or soon to be paid) $563.20 for GCI flight from Boston to SF BALANCE as of 1 JULY 2016: $ ledger -V -s -S T -d "T&l<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' $ -293,399.18 Income:Sugar $ 210,200.26 Expenses:Sugar *$ -83,198.92 (Is it possible 10% of this sum must still be paid to SFConservancy in future? For their accounting/legal services.)* UNPAID INVOICES as of 1 JULY 2016: $ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/ Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2015/2015-12-29_Google-SoC-2015_omnibus-travel-rei $ 1,914.55 Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-2016061000 _as-s $ -563.20 Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_DeCausemaker_RIT-invo $ -0.40 Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar Projects/Sugar/Expenses/I18n-and-T10n/2016-03-20_Quispe_invoice.mbox $ -200.00 Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar Projects/Sugar/Expenses/Simposio-Internacial-2016/2016-04-15_Chambi_reimbursemen $ -161.88 Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar Projects/Sugar/Invoices/Google/2016-04-04_Google_Sugar-GCI_invoice- 2016040400_as $ 7,000.00 Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar INCOME/EXPENSES BY PROGRAM ACTIVITY as of 1 JULY 2016: $ ledger --group-by 'ta
[IAEP] TCM reporting
All, I wanted to inform the SLOB that I will NOT be invoicing SugarLabs/SFC for the month of May or June under the TCM agreement, although I will be posting some detail of the work I have been performing in the Translation Community Manager position. It has always been my desire to be able to perform these duties without compensation, and so I hope the SLOB accepts this as an earnest attempt to preserve the capital of the TripAdvisor grant to the greatest extent possible, As defined in the TCM agreement, any submitted invoice in future will be accompanied by a monthly report posted in a public location. cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...
On 1 July 2016 at 07:06, Tony Anderson wrote: > > We got it. In the future, we will take greater care to cross-post votes by > email (hopefully rare since the meeting itself is public). I've heard that before, and this seems proven sure to fail. But I don't think I can make the case for improving the boards procedure any more strongly. Why each and every board member does not wish to engage on improving the board's processes is a mystery to me. Well, thanks again for posting the previous email votes, I'll update the Decisions page to link to them :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...
Dave We got it. In the future, we will take greater care to cross-post votes by email (hopefully rare since the meeting itself is public). Tony On 07/01/2016 12:57 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: On 1 July 2016 at 05:45, Tony Anderson wrote: You need to distinguish between encouraging members to propose actions to be taken by the Board and a motion made at a Board meeting by a member of the Board, seconded and put to a vote of the Board members. I got it :) Since motions made at a Board meeting by a member of the Board, seconded and put to a vote of the Board members, are voted on in private, would be willing to post a motion to improve the operation of the project that requires votes to be emailed to the IAEP and SLOB lists in order to be counted as valid? . ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Yoruba I18n
Sorry for the confusion. The motion was passed some time ago. This information was provided in response to a concern expressed by Dave Crossland to make the result more publicly visible. Tony On 07/01/2016 12:21 PM, David Ally wrote: Thank you to members of the oversight board! translating Sugar into Yoruba for those of us working in technology in Education in Nigeria should be a delightful thing and help us to push for many intervention agencies in Nigeria to contribute to IAEP to translate to other indigenous languages. I also agreed that other non-Nigerian languages can also be considered, but you can start with Yoruba as already proposed. I hope this proposal come out successful. Regards! David On Fri, 7/1/16, Tony Anderson wrote: Subject: [IAEP] Yoruba I18n To: "IAEP SugarLabs" Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 6:40 AM At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the motion submitted by Chris Leonard to fund a program for translation of Sugar into Yoruba, one of the three main languages spoken in Nigeria. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote. Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation for a vote on the following motion. [text of the motion follows - this email from Walter was posted on IAEP] Approve. Tony Anderson Approve. Sameer Disagree. I don't see any evidence how Yoruba localization could increase the size of the Sugar community. I think we mix here two things: - a localization project without any clear need on the field, - a legitimate wish to thank an active and loyal contributor (Samson) I can't be agree with the first one (including within the Trip Advisor deal): it's time and money for nothing. I'm agree with the second one but may be we could imagine other ways to do that, i.e. ask Samson to work on more useful tasks. For example help on initiative like the Tony one to invent an auto localization process. Best regards from France. Lionel. +1 para Yoruba i18n motion Sugiero que para futuras propuestas se especifique el impacto que tendrá en la comunidad. Es decir, cuáles y cuántos serán los beneficiarios de la traducción, y si esto ampliará significativamente el alcance de Sugar. Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay +1 to the motion. Following Lionel's point, I suggest we create a list of languages and decide which ones are a priority (based on the potential impact) and look for people to do the job. Claudia Today at 7:38PM (ET) would be the deadline for the i18n motion. So the result on this motion is five in favor, one opposed and one abstention. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep . ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...
On 1 July 2016 at 05:45, Tony Anderson wrote: > > You need to distinguish between encouraging members to propose actions to be > taken by the Board and a motion made at a Board meeting by a member of the > Board, seconded and put to a vote of the Board members. I got it :) Since motions made at a Board meeting by a member of the Board, seconded and put to a vote of the Board members, are voted on in private, would be willing to post a motion to improve the operation of the project that requires votes to be emailed to the IAEP and SLOB lists in order to be counted as valid? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Yoruba I18n
Thank you to members of the oversight board! translating Sugar into Yoruba for those of us working in technology in Education in Nigeria should be a delightful thing and help us to push for many intervention agencies in Nigeria to contribute to IAEP to translate to other indigenous languages. I also agreed that other non-Nigerian languages can also be considered, but you can start with Yoruba as already proposed. I hope this proposal come out successful. Regards! David On Fri, 7/1/16, Tony Anderson wrote: Subject: [IAEP] Yoruba I18n To: "IAEP SugarLabs" Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 6:40 AM At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the motion submitted by Chris Leonard to fund a program for translation of Sugar into Yoruba, one of the three main languages spoken in Nigeria. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote. Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation for a vote on the following motion. [text of the motion follows - this email from Walter was posted on IAEP] Approve. Tony Anderson Approve. Sameer Disagree. I don't see any evidence how Yoruba localization could increase the size of the Sugar community. I think we mix here two things: - a localization project without any clear need on the field, - a legitimate wish to thank an active and loyal contributor (Samson) I can't be agree with the first one (including within the Trip Advisor deal): it's time and money for nothing. I'm agree with the second one but may be we could imagine other ways to do that, i.e. ask Samson to work on more useful tasks. For example help on initiative like the Tony one to invent an auto localization process. Best regards from France. Lionel. +1 para Yoruba i18n motion Sugiero que para futuras propuestas se especifique el impacto que tendrá en la comunidad. Es decir, cuáles y cuántos serán los beneficiarios de la traducción, y si esto ampliará significativamente el alcance de Sugar. Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay +1 to the motion. Following Lionel's point, I suggest we create a list of languages and decide which ones are a priority (based on the potential impact) and look for people to do the job. Claudia Today at 7:38PM (ET) would be the deadline for the i18n motion. So the result on this motion is five in favor, one opposed and one abstention. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Voting on GPLv3 motion
Hi, Sam This was in response to Dave Crossland's concern that the Board is acting in secret. The motion passed with 6 votes in favor and one abstention. Tony On 07/01/2016 11:55 AM, Sam Parkinson wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: Hi, Dave This is what I have been able to find regarding the GPLv3 motion. _At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the motion submitted by Sebastian Silva to finalize the transition from GPLv2 to GPLv3 for the Sugar core libraries (Sugar Activity developers are still free to choose whatever Libre license they prefer for their work.) See [2]. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote._ Didn't the motion pass? I already merged the change of licence into the sugar repo, as per the approval. Also, will we migrate sugar-toolkit-gtk3 to LGPLv3+? What about sugar-datastore? _ __ __Approve.__ __Tony Anderson__ __ _ _Approve._ __ _Sameer__ _ _Approve._ _ _ _BTW I'm worried about the fact that the Sugar-Web part (and so Sugarizer too) use the Apache 2.0 Licence. _ _I'm not a specialist but what imply a Licence migration ?_ These web people and their non copyleft liscenses. I'm defiantly not a copyright holder for sugar-web, but aren't they worried about people stealing their work and rolling it into nonfree software? Thanks, Sam _ _ _ Lionel._ _ _ _+1 para GPLv3 motion_ _ _ _ ___ __Lic. José Miguel García__ __Montevideo - Uruguay_ _ __Approved!_ _ _ _Claudia_ Today at 8:04PM (ET) would be the deadline for the GPLv3 motion. (May 13 @ 8:04PM ET) So this vote was 6 in favor and one abstention. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Voting on GPLv3 motion
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: Hi, Dave This is what I have been able to find regarding the GPLv3 motion. At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the motion submitted by Sebastian Silva to finalize the transition from GPLv2 to GPLv3 for the Sugar core libraries (Sugar Activity developers are still free to choose whatever Libre license they prefer for their work.) See [2]. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote. Didn't the motion pass? I already merged the change of licence into the sugar repo, as per the approval. Also, will we migrate sugar-toolkit-gtk3 to LGPLv3+? What about sugar-datastore? Approve. Tony Anderson Approve. Sameer Approve. BTW I'm worried about the fact that the Sugar-Web part (and so Sugarizer too) use the Apache 2.0 Licence. I'm not a specialist but what imply a Licence migration ? These web people and their non copyleft liscenses. I'm defiantly not a copyright holder for sugar-web, but aren't they worried about people stealing their work and rolling it into nonfree software? Thanks, Sam Lionel. +1 para GPLv3 motion ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay Approved! Claudia Today at 8:04PM (ET) would be the deadline for the GPLv3 motion. (May 13 @ 8:04PM ET) So this vote was 6 in favor and one abstention. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] A Better Idea...
Hi, Dave You need to distinguish between encouraging members to propose actions to be taken by the Board and a motion made at a Board meeting by a member of the Board, seconded and put to a vote of the Board members. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep