Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hello everyone,

i want to say a big THANK YOU for those who showed support for this motion.
But sadly the motion failed, due to lack of votes. I am still going to look
for around the funding, but if anyone will want to give donation we will
happily accept.

BR
Samson G

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2017 2:22 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" <
>> villarrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in
>> preparation for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar
>> Labs to support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.
>>
>> Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with
>> Scratch 3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by
>> staying true to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the
>> time for two of our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the
>> Scratch community.
>>
>> We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
>> Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
>> members from hard to reach places.
>>
>> If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the
>> social side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.
>> Accepting this proposal will create space for our community members to make
>> deeper and more meaningful connections.
>>
>>
>> Intelligent people can disagree.
>>
>> Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
>> accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
>> pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
>> that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
>> vetted & mitigated.
>>
>> Hi, your last mail. You requested that i should contact the scratch team
>> if they can go on with the ticketing and the rest. Because you don't want
>> Sugar Labs to lose money if we don't get the visas.
>>
>> According to my discussion with the scratch team as you requested. They
>> agreed to the terms that they will have to cover the cost and get
>> reimbursed if we get the visas.
>>
>> But now, i don't quite understand where this discussion is headed.
>>
>> Is it that Sugar Labs cannot fund the  trip to Bordeaux as Tymon pointed
>> out?
>>
>> If i may since you know more about Sugar Labs financial records than i
>> do, what exactly is the problem of the motion?
>>
>> I am not forcing or putting any pressure for the approval of this motion.
>> But i am seriously confuse.
>>
>> I will appreciate if anyone can address my questions.
>>
>
> I too am confused. I don't understand why these issues are related or
> blocking.
>
> [snip]
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
>
> On May 24, 2017 2:22 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" <
> villarrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in
> preparation for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar
> Labs to support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.
>
> Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
> 3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
> to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
> our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.
>
> We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
> Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
> members from hard to reach places.
>
> If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the
> social side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.
> Accepting this proposal will create space for our community members to make
> deeper and more meaningful connections.
>
>
> Intelligent people can disagree.
>
> Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
> accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
> pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
> that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
> vetted & mitigated.
>
> Hi, your last mail. You requested that i should contact the scratch team
> if they can go on with the ticketing and the rest. Because you don't want
> Sugar Labs to lose money if we don't get the visas.
>
> According to my discussion with the scratch team as you requested. They
> agreed to the terms that they will have to cover the cost and get
> reimbursed if we get the visas.
>
> But now, i don't quite understand where this discussion is headed.
>
> Is it that Sugar Labs cannot fund the  trip to Bordeaux as Tymon pointed
> out?
>
> If i may since you know more about Sugar Labs financial records than i do,
> what exactly is the problem of the motion?
>
> I am not forcing or putting any pressure for the approval of this motion.
> But i am seriously confuse.
>
> I will appreciate if anyone can address my questions.
>

I too am confused. I don't understand why these issues are related or
blocking.

[snip]
--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On May 24, 2017 2:22 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" 
wrote:

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.  Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


Intelligent people can disagree.

Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
vetted & mitigated.

Hi, your last mail. You requested that i should contact the scratch team if
they can go on with the ticketing and the rest. Because you don't want
Sugar Labs to lose money if we don't get the visas.

According to my discussion with the scratch team as you requested. They
agreed to the terms that they will have to cover the cost and get
reimbursed if we get the visas.

But now, i don't quite understand where this discussion is headed.

Is it that Sugar Labs cannot fund the  trip to Bordeaux as Tymon pointed
out?

If i may since you know more about Sugar Labs financial records than i do,
what exactly is the problem of the motion?

I am not forcing or putting any pressure for the approval of this motion.
But i am seriously confuse.

I will appreciate if anyone can address my questions.


Anything less would not only be shameful, but an abrogation of my ethical
duties as Sugar Labs Financial Liaison to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

WTF indeed (Watch The Financials...)


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" 
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
>> thought.
>>
>> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
>> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
>> there.
>>
>>
>>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" 
wrote:

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.  Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


Intelligent people can disagree.

Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
vetted & mitigated.

Anything less would not only be shameful, but an abrogation of my ethical
duties as Sugar Labs Financial Liaison to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

WTF indeed (Watch The Financials...)


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" 
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
>> thought.
>>
>> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
>> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
>> there.
>>
>>
>>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>>
>>>
>> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
>> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
>> goals.
>>
>>
>>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>>
>>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>>
>>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>>> think i am done talking.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about
>> this case.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>>> surprised.
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
>> Tymon
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Mariah Noelle Villarreal]

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators. Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" 
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
>> thought.
>>
>> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
>> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
>> there.
>>
>>
>>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>>
>>>
>> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
>> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
>> goals.
>>
>>
>>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>>
>>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>>
>>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>>> think i am done talking.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about
>> this case.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>>> surprised.
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
>> Tymon
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
 though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.

 I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
 while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
 money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
 and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
 money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
 than having OLPC representation. With all re

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.

*Ibiam Chihurumnaya*

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:

> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>
>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>
>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>
>>
> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>> arrangement.
>>
>
> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
> maximum benefit.
>
> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to underline
> we are not in real need to send people who face problems traveling
> internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking place on the
> other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer and
> therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
> thought.
>
> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
> there.
>
>
>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>
>>
> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
> goals.
>
>
>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>
>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>
>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>> think i am done talking.
>>
>
> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about this
> case.
>
>
>>
>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>> surprised.
>>
>
> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson G
>>
>>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>>> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
>>> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
>>> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>>>
>>> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
>>> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
>>> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tymon
>>>
>>> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské 
>>> napisał:
>>>

 I'm not for the idea:
 - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
 could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
 the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
 - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
 is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.

Lionel.


 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :

> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>
> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>
> On Fri, May 19, 201

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:

> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>
>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>
>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>
>>
> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>> arrangement.
>>
>
> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
> maximum benefit.
>
> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to underline
> we are not in real need to send people who face problems traveling
> internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking place on the
> other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer and
> therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
> thought.
>

First, the issue was sugar labs losing money if we don't get the visa.
Scratch team agreed that they will take the risk if we eventually get the
visa they will be happy to get repaid.

Now it seems like the conversation is now focus on expensive trip. Is there
any complaints you will like to bring up next?

You are not the first to come up with the idea of bringing someone else.
Lionel did, and i understand and respect his reasons. But you repeating it
again is just not worth it.


FYI, I and Ibiam created the platform about Sugar Labs coming to bordeaux,
that is why i went to Nairobi to convince the organizers that i would also
like to talk about Sugar Labs not just scratch. Came up with a proposal,
and it was selected. Now then have just two space for Sugar Labs member on
the stage at Bordeaux. So Good Luck with sending people there.

Remember it is a Scratch conference, not Open Technology conference.

>
> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
> there.
>

Sugar Labs is not paying for my insurance, so i see no reason bringing this
up.

>
>
>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>
>>
> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
> goals.
>

Sure, finally someone with the bold move to tell me.

>
>
>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>
>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>
>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>> think i am done talking.
>>
>
> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about this
> case.
>
>
>>
>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>> surprised.
>>
>
> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>

Read the statement again if you don't understand, i suggest you leave it
that way.

>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson G
>>
>>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>>> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
>>> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
>>> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>>>
>>> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
>>> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
>>> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tymon
>>>
>>> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské 
>>> napisał:
>>>

 I'm 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Tymon Radzik]

wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy 
napisał:

> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>
> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting a
> Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before leaving
> any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and stay in
> the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls with
> the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out to
> the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
> been taken care of by the team in France.
>
>
If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
> arrangement.
>

Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility for
it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires us to
be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost, maximum
benefit.

And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to underline
we are not in real need to send people who face problems traveling
internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking place on the
other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer and
therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
thought.

BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
there.


> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>
>
I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
goals.


> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
> already answered concerning this motion.
>
> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>
> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i think
> i am done talking.
>

Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about this
case.


>
> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
> surprised.
>

I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.


>
> Regards
> Samson G
>
>
Best,
Tymon


> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>
>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
>> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
>> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>>
>> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
>> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
>> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tymon
>>
>> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské 
>> napisał:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not for the idea:
>>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
>>> is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>>
 I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P

 But as I already said, its +1 from me

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
 wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma 
> wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>>> member
>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and 
>>> vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Thanks for your input Tymon,

However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting a
Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before leaving
any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and stay in
the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls with
the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out to
the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
been taken care of by the team in France.

If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
arrangement.

I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.

I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
already answered concerning this motion.

Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.

i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i think
i am done talking.

FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
surprised.

Regards
Samson G

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:

> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>
> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>
> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské 
> napisał:
>
>>
>> I'm not for the idea:
>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
>> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>
>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>
>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 +1

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> I second.
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
> wrote:
>
> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>> member
>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
>> so
>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>> policy.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>
 Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal.
 +1

 On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
 wrote:

 This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not
 a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

 Caryl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
 walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
 attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
 Sugar.

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Tymon Radzik]

I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.

I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict while
making financial decisions, especially these related to spending money we
collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made and well
considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of money) as
something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community than
having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and the
great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.

As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.

Best,
Tymon

pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské 
napisał:

>
> I'm not for the idea:
> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>
>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>
>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>>
 I second.

 Sameer

 On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

 Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
> so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>>> Sugar.
>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 
>>> for
>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hi Adam,

As you requested, i already made it clear to the scratch community about
the funding and reimbursement. I also forwarded our last mail to them, so
that they can see the situation about what is going on in Sugar Labs about
the motion. They already approve to send 500 euros to me, to cover ibiam's
passport first and some local flight bookings. They know the risk, if they
didn't agree i won't mail the first place.

Frankly speaking $2,800 is the cheapest budget i and ibiam came up with
based on my own proposed funding from the scratch community.

Please note. 1 Euro = 353 Nigerian naira, this might sounds funny but this
means things are expensive in Nigeria locally. You could do some googling.
$2,800 might sounds as a big deal to people leaving in the US or use
Dollars as their main currency but it doesn't work here in Nigeria.

*Note:* Remember we are converting this money to naira in other to spend
them in Nigeria

Things are more expensive here than in the U.S, my internet plan is almost
$100/month. Also the Proposed TA day in Nigeria that was proposed last year
didn't really work at because of the exchange rate in the country. FYI
iphone 7 was once sold for $2,300 in Nigeria.  So this is why technically
speaking this is the cheapest budget that can funds us locally and also
internationally to france.

I also mail SFC this is from Karen

"Hi Samson,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop! If the motion is approved, we'll work to
find a solution, paying by card whatever we can and exploring other options
for the rest. I leave it up to Adam, as he's the authorized representative
for Sugar, but it could be helpful for SLOBs to also specifically agree to
the cash advance, as it puts Sugar's money more at risk than the usual
approval.
"
i think i already explained how and what the $2,800 stands for in our
proposal. The Scratch community

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as
>> you suggest.
>>
>
> If Sugar Labs were to approve some such funds, does Scratch understand the
> risks that one or more visa might be denied by the French govt, and as such
> they might not be reimbursed at all?
>
> How do we get this (or similar) in writing, so as avoid painfully
> unecessary he-said/she-said conflicts between Scratch and Sugar Labs, when
> the risk that visa(s) are denied remains real in the utmost?
>


> So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
>> SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.
>>
>> Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
>> around ~ €2200.
>>
>
> €2200 is about $2500, seemingly almost covering the very large $2800
> requested sum.  Does this mean Sugar Labs' funds are in the end somewhat
> incidental?
>
> Or is this possibly a $2500 + $2800 trip?
>

>
> That would be astonishingly expensive if so, but in any case can you
> clarify fully+precisely who is risking how much money might disappear under
> different circumstances, and how this will be mitigated?  However
> unfortunate it would be if France denies visa(s) to you and/or Ibiam
> Chihurumnaya.
>
> So i hope i have answer all questions.
>>
>
> It bears reminding that you are requesting a much higher expenditure than
> Laura Vargas' recently requested ($500) on a proven multiyear Peru
> community project.  Honoring everyone's hard work as much as we can, I
> personally cannot vote for Sugar Labs to approve $2800 (or clarify precise
> sums) unless there are guarantees (with teeth) that funds (as noble as they
> may be) won't be lost.  And/or what precisely happens when funds are in
> fact lost.
>

> Very Respectfully - thanks to Scratch investors, Ibiam, Samson & All~
>
>
> On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>>
 As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
 thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
 individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
 approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
 diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
 who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
 be approved?

>>>
>>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>>
>>
>> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
>> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
>> government might be the best way.
>>
>> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
 so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
 when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
 But possibly 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hello Adam,
>
> The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as
> you suggest.
>

If Sugar Labs were to approve some such funds, does Scratch understand the
risks that one or more visa might be denied by the French govt, and as such
they might not be reimbursed at all?

How do we get this (or similar) in writing, so as avoid painfully
unecessary he-said/she-said conflicts between Scratch and Sugar Labs, when
the risk that visa(s) are denied remains real in the utmost?

So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
> SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.
>
> Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
> around ~ €2200.
>

€2200 is about $2500, seemingly almost covering the very large $2800
requested sum.  Does this mean Sugar Labs' funds are in the end somewhat
incidental?

Or is this possibly a $2500 + $2800 trip?

That would be astonishingly expensive if so, but in any case can you
clarify fully+precisely who is risking how much money might disappear under
different circumstances, and how this will be mitigated?  However
unfortunate it would be if France denies visa(s) to you and/or Ibiam
Chihurumnaya.

So i hope i have answer all questions.
>

It bears reminding that you are requesting a much higher expenditure than
Laura Vargas' recently requested ($500) on a proven multiyear Peru
community project.  Honoring everyone's hard work as much as we can, I
personally cannot vote for Sugar Labs to approve $2800 (or clarify precise
sums) unless there are guarantees (with teeth) that funds (as noble as they
may be) won't be lost.  And/or what precisely happens when funds are in
fact lost.

Very Respectfully - thanks to Scratch investors, Ibiam, Samson & All~


On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>>> be approved?
>>>
>>
>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>
>>
>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>
>
> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>>
>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>
>
> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>
>
>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>>> to contribute?
>>>
>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
>> foods and visa.
>>
>
> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hello Adam,

The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as you
suggest.

So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.

Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
around ~ €2200.

So i hope i have answer all questions.


On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>> be approved?
>>
>
> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>

You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>
>
> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>

Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>
> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>

How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)


> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>> to contribute?
>>
> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> foods and visa.
>

Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Samson Goddy]

I am going to make contact with the consulate of France in Nigeria. I have
been in touch with them since thursday. I am also going to call them on
monday for further information.

Technically we need to sort out this problem with SLOBS and SFC about the
money in question.

Secondly takina a train in Bordeaux is tricky because my last discussion i
had with the Team in Bordeaux. They told me that i will be flying from Port
Harcourt to Bordeaux, but i am not sure yet. But the flight needed might be
the same with Ibiam's, i will also contact the scratch team.


Samson G

On May 21, 2017 7:55 AM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:

Thank you Tony, you just explained everything. But one problem Adam and
Laura outlined that SFC have some rules, i don't know if someone can
communicate with them.


Samson

On May 21, 2017 5:13 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:

> The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a
> minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those
> websites. The main
> point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the visa
> application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's license -
> you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow the
> instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they need to
> bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so on. They
> will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa (normally the
> passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).
>
> Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past
> contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and Ibiam
> are indisputable.
> It should be funded on that basis alone.
>
> Tony
>
> On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
>
> These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are having
> difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not be able to
> get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. If there is any
> help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to get it ready etc. it
> would be really great. They still lack one SLOB vote for approval. Too bad
> Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏
>
>
> Caryl
> ------
> *From:* IAEP 
>  on behalf of Tony Anderson
>  
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:49:05 PM
> *To:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> (Adam Holt)
>
> Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
> (https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).
>
> This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
> (http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)
>
> I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
> They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
> from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
> plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
> expect to be there as well.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 05/21/2017 01:49 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
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> > 2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> >    (Samson Goddy)
> > 3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> >(Chihurumnaya Ibiam)
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
> > From: Adam Holt  
> > To: iaep  , SLOBs
>  
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> > Message-ID:
> > ail.com>
> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Samson Goddy]

Thank you Tony, you just explained everything. But one problem Adam and
Laura outlined that SFC have some rules, i don't know if someone can
communicate with them.


Samson

On May 21, 2017 5:13 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:

> The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a
> minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those
> websites. The main
> point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the visa
> application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's license -
> you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow the
> instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they need to
> bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so on. They
> will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa (normally the
> passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).
>
> Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past
> contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and Ibiam
> are indisputable.
> It should be funded on that basis alone.
>
> Tony
>
> On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
>
> These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are having
> difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not be able to
> get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. If there is any
> help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to get it ready etc. it
> would be really great. They still lack one SLOB vote for approval. Too bad
> Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏
>
>
> Caryl
> --
> *From:* IAEP 
>  on behalf of Tony Anderson
>  
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:49:05 PM
> *To:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> (Adam Holt)
>
> Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
> (https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).
>
> This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
> (http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)
>
> I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
> They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
> from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
> plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
> expect to be there as well.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 05/21/2017 01:49 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
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> > 1. Re: [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)
> > 2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> >    (Samson Goddy)
> > 3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> >(Chihurumnaya Ibiam)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
> > From: Adam Holt  
> > To: iaep  , SLOBs
>  
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> > Message-ID:
> > gmail.com>
> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> >>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> >>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> >>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> >>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level
> contact
> >>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa
> will
> >>> be approved?
> >>>
> >> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
> >>
> > You need to establish evi

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Tony Anderson]

The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a 
minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those 
websites. The main
point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the 
visa application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's 
license - you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow 
the instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they 
need to bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so 
on. They will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa 
(normally the passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).


Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past 
contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and 
Ibiam are indisputable.

It should be funded on that basis alone.

Tony

On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:


Hi Tony,


These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are 
having difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not 
be able to get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. 
If there is any help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to 
get it ready etc. it would be really great. They still lack one SLOB 
vote for approval. Too bad Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏



Caryl


*From:* IAEP  on behalf of Tony 
Anderson 

*Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:49:05 PM
*To:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
*Subject:* Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch 
Conference (Adam Holt)

Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
(https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).

This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
(http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)

I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
expect to be there as well.

Tony


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Holt)

> 2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
>(Samson Goddy)
> 3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
>(Chihurumnaya Ibiam)
>
>
> ------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
> From: Adam Holt 
> To: iaep , SLOBs 
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level 
contact
>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the 
visa will

>>> be approved?
>>>
>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the 
French

> government might be the best way.
>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in 
advance,
>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not 
reassuring
>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before 
the event.

>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC 
later if

>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>
>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>
> S

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

[Tony Anderson]

Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa 
(https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).


This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos 
(http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)


I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris. 
They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves 
from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France 
plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I 
expect to be there as well.


Tony


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2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
   (Samson Goddy)
3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
   (Chihurumnaya Ibiam)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
From: Adam Holt 
To: iaep , SLOBs 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:


As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
be approved?


More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.


You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,

so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
nothing goes wrong with the visa?


I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.


Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what

community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?


I don't understand, could you explain more.


How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)



ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered

to contribute?


They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
foods and visa.


Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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To: Adam Holt 
Cc: iaep , SLOBs 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:


As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

>
>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>

We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French
government, aside that we know there is no guarantee that it will be
granted neither is there any that it'll not be granted.


> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>

We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French
government.


> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>

This was in an email i received from the Scratch2017bdx committee

*HAL*
If your proposal has an accompanying paper or poster that you wish to add
to the academic archives, our partner INRIA can publish it in a
Scratch2017BDX section at HAL. HAL is an open archive where authors can
deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields. For this, please fill
out the form at scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal

If that helps.


> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>

They want to share the responsibility with Sugar Labs, they already have a
budget for the event but every money is virtual at the moment, they are
working it out. So they'd love to pay half of the bill that's an estimated
1500euros($1681.12), but working the figures out the bill goes past that.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>>> be approved?
>>>
>>
>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>
>>
>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>
>
> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>

Sure i am going to do that.

>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>>
>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>
>
> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>
we will document on our wiki page/

>
>
>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>>> to contribute?
>>>
>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
>> foods and visa.
>>
>
> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>
> I will have to contact the team about that too.

You will hear from me soon.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>> be approved?
>>
>
> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>

You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>
>
> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>

Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>
> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>

How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)


> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>> to contribute?
>>
> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> foods and visa.
>

Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> 1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
> disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
> non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
> hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
> purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
> (flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.
>

I think i will have do flight reservation to Bordeaux,
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/

But my expenses traveling around Nigeria is really important because that
how i can the visa. If i don't make the trip no visa.

>
> In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
> people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
> purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
> result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
> mysterious technicality or another.
>
> Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay
> for all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
> possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.
>
> 2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
> uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
> live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
> similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
> total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
> other hackers/contributors homes.
>
Traveling from Nigeria is expensive, i had also have some experience when i
went to Nairobi.

For Ibiam a cheap travel plan would be PHC -- LOS -- PAR -- BOD, which
would cost around - €1127 ($1250)

A hotel room for 7 nights  costs about € 252.44 ($280)

Visa and Passport costs about € 149 ($165)

Conference fee €40 ($44.37)

Miscellaneous € 100($111)

Totalling € 1668.4($1851) , most figures rounded up.


>
> Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season,
> is about as expensive as it gets.
>
> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
> be approved?
>

More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.

>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>

I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.

>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>
I don't understand, could you explain more.

>
> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
> to contribute?
>
They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
foods and visa.

>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>>
 I second.

 Sameer

 On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

 Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
> so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khat

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
(flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.

In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
mysterious technicality or another.

Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay for
all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.

2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
other hackers/contributors homes.

Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season, is
about as expensive as it gets.

As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
be approved?

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
nothing goes wrong with the visa?

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?

ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered to
contribute?


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> +1
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> I second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
 wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
 this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
 that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
 not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
 policy.


 Regards
 Samson Goddy

 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
 igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> It's +1 from me :)
> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>
> Thanks,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri  > wrote:
>
>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>> Sugar.
>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
>> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Sameer Verma]

+1

Sameer

On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
>>> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
>>> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson Goddy
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 It's +1 from me :)
 I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
 awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.

 Thanks,
 Ignacio.-

 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
 wrote:

> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
> the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
> detailed proposal is here [1].
>
> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Thanks Laura for explaining better.

Though this is my first time to hear something like this. But i guess we
should wait for walter to clarify the claim.

BR
Samson

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Thank you Ibiam and Samson for clarifying.
>
> I would like to elaborate for the reason why I abstained:
>
> Just as happened with Ignacio's request, you guys are requesting cash in
> advance for your travel.
>
> Just as happened with Ignacio's request,  even after we all voted
> approving the motion, the cash request is considered "out of policy" by the
> Software Freedom Conservancy.
>
> Walter,
>
> As our representative with SFC, can you please confirm this?
>
>
> The SFC travel policy considers that eventually the projects may require
> an exception and also considers Project Leadership Committees (In our case
> SLOBs) responsible for creating procedures or requesting exceptions.
>
>
> If we want to support members that require cash for traveling, we should
> focus on creating first the procedures to request the exceptions from the
> SFC.
>
> Blessings and regards
>
>
> 2017-05-20 4:43 GMT-05:00 Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> :
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Laura
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Walter,
>>>
>>> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
>>> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
>> correctly.
>>
>> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
>>> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>>>
>> It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the
>> "Conference Fee"
>> http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura V.
>>>
>>> Regards
>> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
  Sure.

 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
 means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.

 Regards
 Samson


 On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
 wrote:

> Dear Samson,
>
> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> Hello laura,
>>
>> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>>
>
>
> I Abstain.
>
>
> Blessing and regards!
>
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>
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> ~ Laura Victoria
>
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>


>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Laura Vargas]

Thank you Ibiam and Samson for clarifying.

I would like to elaborate for the reason why I abstained:

Just as happened with Ignacio's request, you guys are requesting cash in
advance for your travel.

Just as happened with Ignacio's request,  even after we all voted approving
the motion, the cash request is considered "out of policy" by the Software
Freedom Conservancy.

Walter,

As our representative with SFC, can you please confirm this?


The SFC travel policy considers that eventually the projects may require an
exception and also considers Project Leadership Committees (In our case
SLOBs) responsible for creating procedures or requesting exceptions.


If we want to support members that require cash for traveling, we should
focus on creating first the procedures to request the exceptions from the
SFC.

Blessings and regards


2017-05-20 4:43 GMT-05:00 Chihurumnaya Ibiam :

>
>
> Hello Laura
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
>> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
> correctly.
>
> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
>> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>>
> It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the "Conference
> Fee"
> http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/
>
>
>> Regards
>>
>> Laura V.
>>
>> Regards
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
>
> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>>  Sure.
>>>
>>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Samson,

 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> Hello laura,
>
> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>


 I Abstain.


 Blessing and regards!

 --
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 * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*

 “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
 ~ Laura Victoria

 Happy Learning!
 #LearningByDoing
 #Projects4good
 #IDesignATSugarLabs
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hello Laura

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Walter,
>
> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>
> Samson,
>
> I think it was a mistake, nothing more to it and Samson answered
correctly.

You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>
It is mandatory that everyone attending the Conference pay the "Conference
Fee"
http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/register/


> Regards
>
> Laura V.
>
> Regards
*Ibiam Chihurumnaya*


2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>  Sure.
>>
>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Samson,
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
 Hello laura,

 Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.

>>>
>>>
>>> I Abstain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessing and regards!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hi,

Laura, i think you are bringing more question that are not applicable. Open
the link to the proposal, scroll to the last page you will see our total
budget. There is no over billing.

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Walter,
>
> I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
> motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).
>
please there is no over budget on it. The main proposal is $2680.47 not
$1851 sending $2800 is better because banks will deduct the wired transfer
tax so we will have the exact amount we requested for.

>
>
Samson,
>
> You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
> budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.
>

Secondly that fee is for Ibiam not me, i am fully funded. Ibiam has to pay
$44.37 for the conference fee because they already paid for mine. If you
read my proposal well you will notice that i just need some money around
744.72 euros to cover my flight cost in Nigeria and visa processing fee.
Ibiam needs flight fee, hotel fee, and conference fee. But the scratch team
offer to cover his visa processing and flight in Nigeria.

Please all this questions are irrelevant because everything is documented
in the proposal. Everyone read it without asking questions because we took
our time to explain every bit of request.

>
> Regards
>
> Laura V.
>

Samson Goddy

>
> 2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>  Sure.
>>
>> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
>> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Samson,
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
 Hello laura,

 Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.

>>>
>>>
>>> I Abstain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessing and regards!
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Laura Vargas]

Walter,

I just want to point out there is a US$ 1,000 difference among Walter's
motion (US $2,800) and Samson's proposal (US $1,851).

Samson,

You state several times you were invited to the Conference, still your
budget includes US $44,37 as "Conference Fee" this is contradictory.

Regards

Laura V.

2017-05-19 22:43 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

>  Sure.
>
> 3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
> means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.
>
> Regards
> Samson
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Samson,
>>
>> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>> Hello laura,
>>>
>>> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I Abstain.
>>
>>
>> Blessing and regards!
>>
>> --
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>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
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>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

 Sure.

3 votes in favour, 1 vote against, 1 Abstain. Since i cannot vote, that
means we are waiting for Adam Holt to give his vote.

Regards
Samson


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Dear Samson,
>
> 2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> Hello laura,
>>
>> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>>
>
>
> I Abstain.
>
>
> Blessing and regards!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Laura Vargas]

Dear Samson,

2017-05-19 22:31 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> Hello laura,
>
> Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too.
>


I Abstain.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hello laura,

Sorry laura, i still don't understand your comment too. I think what lionel
was trying to point of to me was that strict policy for the visa, which i
later pointed out that we already know the process. Secondly, lionel also
mentioned that his team can also represent Sugar/Sugarizer which i don't
understand his reason for it. But i will say it again, I and Ibiam was
invited and secondly was given the ability to take the stage in bordeaux to
share our stories.

We were invited not just because we were from Sugar Labs, because everyone
coming to Bordeaux all at least will be giving a talk on stage are either
talking about Scratch or giving a related story around Logo programming
language.

I don't see scratch in Sugarizer, correct me if i am wrong. Scratch is not
even available for Sugar also currently. I and Ibiam was chosen because we
started using Scratch and Turtle Art when we were 11 and 12 years old
respectively. We did projects with these tools while we were in junior
high. We also happen to use the OLPC device and more important i and ibiam
are both scratch educators in our country, so that is the reason why we
were chosen to come give a talk.

This is not my first trip related to the bordeaux conference, i did travel
to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support i didn't mail to ask for any fund.
But i represented Sugar Labs anyways, you can go to my facebook page and
see some pictures you both would. While in Nairobi, i spoke with the main
organizer of the Scratch bordeaux and gave him my reasons why i would like
to add Sugar Labs projects to my talk. I had to write a proposal, and we
were selected. So that how important this trip is to us.

For SFC see [1], frankly speaking i have read the policy again one more
time, i don't see anything that stand against this proposal for moving
further. SFC will do the booking themselves for hotel and tickets. The
ticket is not greater than $1,500, but it is under $1,500. But we both need
about 1,033 euros in cash that if SFC can book the hotel themselves also,
if not we will have to book the hotel ourselves. We are not applying
for *Reimbursement
Procedure.*


i don't see any reason why the proposal is receiving these comments. We are
equally trying to do
outreaching program for this community, but i am little disappointed. I
also see that this community
is slowly becoming something else.


[1]
https://k.sfconservancy.org/policies/files/master/Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt#L47

BR
Samson



On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 2:46 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> I'll follow Lionel's lead on this one. Fossil fuels traveling these days
> should be avoided..
>
> Additionally, SLOB's should be clear with the community and highlight the
> fact that according to current Software Freedom Conservancy travel policies
> no cash advance can be approved for members.
>
>
> This is the same reason that made Ignacio's request rejected by the
> Conservancy.
>
> If we need a change in the Software Freedom Conservancy travel policy, we
> should appoint our representative to discuss the options with the
> Conservancy.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> 2017-05-19 16:17 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> Should we take your comment as "-1" to the proposal?
>>
>> BR
>> Samson
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not for the idea:
>>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
>>> is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>>
 I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P

 But as I already said, its +1 from me

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
 wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma 
> wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>>> member
>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and 
>>> vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson Goddy
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 It's +1 f

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Laura Vargas]

I'll follow Lionel's lead on this one. Fossil fuels traveling these days
should be avoided..

Additionally, SLOB's should be clear with the community and highlight the
fact that according to current Software Freedom Conservancy travel policies
no cash advance can be approved for members.


This is the same reason that made Ignacio's request rejected by the
Conservancy.

If we need a change in the Software Freedom Conservancy travel policy, we
should appoint our representative to discuss the options with the
Conservancy.



Regards

2017-05-19 16:17 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> Should we take your comment as "-1" to the proposal?
>
> BR
> Samson
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not for the idea:
>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
>> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>
>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>
>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 +1

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> I second.
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
> wrote:
>
> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>> member
>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
>> so
>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>> policy.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>
 Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal.
 +1

 On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
 wrote:

 This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not
 a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

 Caryl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
 walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
 attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
 Sugar.
 The detailed proposal is here [1].

 Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
 related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 
 for
 Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
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 regards.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Should we take your comment as "-1" to the proposal?

BR
Samson

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> I'm not for the idea:
> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>
>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>
>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>>
 I second.

 Sameer

 On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

 Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
> so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>>> Sugar.
>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 
>>> for
>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samuel Cantero]

For your proposal.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Hi
> Samuel, +1 for my statement or lionel's statement.
>
> On May 19, 2017 9:33 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:
>
>> Not a member of SLOB but agree. +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, i don't know why you came up with these ideas,but everyone knows
>>> that getting a visa is difficult in every country. Your team in OLPC france
>>> can also attend the event, but i and ibiam are both special guests coming
>>> from Africa. I suggest you a take a look at my proposal again.
>>>
>>> Before i came up this proposal. I already made contact with the embassy,
>>> so i know all the requirements to get a schengen (business) visa. I am also
>>> pretty sure, if accidentally we don't get to France we will have to refund
>>> the money to SL account.
>>>
>>> Summary of my proposal.
>>>
>>> Ibiam's flight to BDX and hotel bills, the team down in france will
>>> cover this visa and visa processing fees.
>>>
>>> Samson, i only need money for visa processing and my stay in lagos
>>> during the time for visa processing.
>>>
>>> Note: we are not going on our own, the team down in France are standing
>>> for us.
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>> Samson
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 I'm not for the idea:
 - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
 could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
 the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
 - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
 is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.

Lionel.


 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :

> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>
> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
 since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
 member
 in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and 
 vote, so
 that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
 not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
 policy.


 Regards
 Samson Goddy

 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
 igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> It's +1 from me :)
> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>
> Thanks,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>
>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written
>> proposal. +1
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am
>> not a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is 
>> approved.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
>> walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>> Sugar.
>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 
>> 2017 for
>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>> --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hi
Samuel, +1 for my statement or lionel's statement.

On May 19, 2017 9:33 PM, "Samuel Cantero"  wrote:

> Not a member of SLOB but agree. +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, i don't know why you came up with these ideas,but everyone knows
>> that getting a visa is difficult in every country. Your team in OLPC france
>> can also attend the event, but i and ibiam are both special guests coming
>> from Africa. I suggest you a take a look at my proposal again.
>>
>> Before i came up this proposal. I already made contact with the embassy,
>> so i know all the requirements to get a schengen (business) visa. I am also
>> pretty sure, if accidentally we don't get to France we will have to refund
>> the money to SL account.
>>
>> Summary of my proposal.
>>
>> Ibiam's flight to BDX and hotel bills, the team down in france will cover
>> this visa and visa processing fees.
>>
>> Samson, i only need money for visa processing and my stay in lagos during
>> the time for visa processing.
>>
>> Note: we are not going on our own, the team down in France are standing
>> for us.
>>
>> BR
>>
>> Samson
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not for the idea:
>>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
>>> is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>>
 I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P

 But as I already said, its +1 from me

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
 wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma 
> wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>>> member
>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and 
>>> vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson Goddy
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 It's +1 from me :)
 I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
 doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.

 Thanks,
 Ignacio.-

 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
 a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:

> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal.
> +1
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not
> a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
> walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
> Sugar.
> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>
> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 
> 2017 for
> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samuel Cantero]

Not a member of SLOB but agree. +1

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Well, i don't know why you came up with these ideas,but everyone knows
> that getting a visa is difficult in every country. Your team in OLPC france
> can also attend the event, but i and ibiam are both special guests coming
> from Africa. I suggest you a take a look at my proposal again.
>
> Before i came up this proposal. I already made contact with the embassy,
> so i know all the requirements to get a schengen (business) visa. I am also
> pretty sure, if accidentally we don't get to France we will have to refund
> the money to SL account.
>
> Summary of my proposal.
>
> Ibiam's flight to BDX and hotel bills, the team down in france will cover
> this visa and visa processing fees.
>
> Samson, i only need money for visa processing and my stay in lagos during
> the time for visa processing.
>
> Note: we are not going on our own, the team down in France are standing
> for us.
>
> BR
>
> Samson
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not for the idea:
>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
>> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>
>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>
>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 +1

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> I second.
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
> wrote:
>
> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>> member
>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
>> so
>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>> policy.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>
 Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal.
 +1

 On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
 wrote:

 This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not
 a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

 Caryl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
 walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
 attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
 Sugar.
 The detailed proposal is here [1].

 Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
 related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 
 for
 Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

 regards.

 -walter
 --
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 http://www.sugarlabs.org
 

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Well, i don't know why you came up with these ideas,but everyone knows that
getting a visa is difficult in every country. Your team in OLPC france can
also attend the event, but i and ibiam are both special guests coming from
Africa. I suggest you a take a look at my proposal again.

Before i came up this proposal. I already made contact with the embassy, so
i know all the requirements to get a schengen (business) visa. I am also
pretty sure, if accidentally we don't get to France we will have to refund
the money to SL account.

Summary of my proposal.

Ibiam's flight to BDX and hotel bills, the team down in france will cover
this visa and visa processing fees.

Samson, i only need money for visa processing and my stay in lagos during
the time for visa processing.

Note: we are not going on our own, the team down in France are standing for
us.

BR

Samson

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> I'm not for the idea:
> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>
>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>
>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>>
 I second.

 Sameer

 On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

 Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

 On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
 samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
> so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>>> Sugar.
>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 
>>> for
>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Lionel Laské]

I'm not for the idea:
- It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
- Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.

   Lionel.


2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :

> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>
> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> I second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
 wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
 this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
 that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
 not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
 policy.


 Regards
 Samson Goddy

 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
 igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> It's +1 from me :)
> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>
> Thanks,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri  > wrote:
>
>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>> Sugar.
>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
>> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBe
>> uBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Ignacio Rodríguez]

I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P

But as I already said, its +1 from me

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> I second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
>>> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
>>> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson Goddy
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 It's +1 from me :)
 I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
 awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.

 Thanks,
 Ignacio.-

 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
 wrote:

> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
> wrote:
>
> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
> the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
> detailed proposal is here [1].
>
> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Walter Bender]

+1

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> I second.
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
>> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
>> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>> policy.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
>>> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1

 On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
 wrote:

 This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
 member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

 Caryl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
 wrote:

 Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
 the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
 detailed proposal is here [1].

 Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
 to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
 Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

 regards.

 -walter
 --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Sameer Verma]

I second.

Sameer

On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
>> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
>>> the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
>>> detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related to
>>> traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Cynthia Solomon]

Wish I could vote.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
>> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
>> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>> policy.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
>>> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1

 On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
 wrote:

 This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
 member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

 Caryl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
 wrote:

 Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
 the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
 detailed proposal is here [1].

 Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
 to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
 Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.

 [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

 regards.

 -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Walter Bender]

Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
> wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
> this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
> policy.
>
>
> Regards
> Samson Goddy
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's +1 from me :)
>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
>> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ignacio.-
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend
>>> the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The
>>> detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related to
>>> traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>> --
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