Re: [IAEP] sugar feedback

2008-09-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 10.09.2008 um 11:45 schrieb Simon Schampijer: Bill Kerr wrote: walter wrote in the digest: Any and all feedback is enormously valuable: please speak up A year 10 class at my school in australia is currently evaluating sugar activities using USB keys - various impressions, forum, QA,

Re: [IAEP] Sad

2008-09-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 17.09.2008 um 10:19 schrieb Albert Cahalan: This may require the loss of a few sacred cows. [...] Within the Sugar community, certain activities are adored. They hold privileged positions, generally being installed be default despite not being of a utility (shell, browser) nature. They

Re: [IAEP] Sad

2008-09-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 17.09.2008 um 10:19 schrieb Albert Cahalan: Microsoft probably deserves to win. :-( [...] It's really offensive to insist that other people (children, the poor, dark-colored people, them foreigners...) be forced to use stuff which you yourself find to be inadequate for your own daily

Re: [IAEP] G1G1 (was Re: [Community-news] OLPC News (2008-09-29))

2008-10-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 06.10.2008 um 06:28 schrieb Nirav Patel: Ah, thanks. Does anyone know the name of the font used in OLPC marketing materials, such as the text on amazon.com/xo ? I'm pretty certain it's these: laptop.org: VAG Rundschrift (a.k.a. VAG Rounded) amazon.com: Arial Rounded (similar but not

Re: [IAEP] sugar and the digital age (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 09.10.2008 um 19:10 schrieb elana langer: there is a very common feeling amongst policy makers and teacher that the XO doesn't really prepare students for the field of IT. There was a pilot project done in Mongolia that was run by the Japanese gov't where they introduced Linux to 4 towns.

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu

2008-11-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.11.2008, at 13:55, David Farning wrote: .One sticking point was the availability of squeak on Ubuntu. If I remember this issue was beaten to death before I got involved with SL. I only remember discussion of getting it into Debian, not Ubuntu. Basically, even though the license

Re: [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu - Summary

2008-11-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.11.2008, at 16:50, David Farning wrote: Currently, Squeak Etoys is distributed as an image or snapshot rather than source code. This is misleading. Etoys comes with full source code, nothing is held back. While distributing images is the standard work flow for Squeak Etoy

[IAEP] Volunteer-driven development of educational software

2008-11-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Cutting this important part out of another discussion ... On 10.11.2008, at 20:49, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote: Of course, this all supposes the open source model. If someone gets paid to do a Python Etoys or a GNU Smalltalk one then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a good quality

Re: [IAEP] Anyone going to 25C3?

2008-11-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.11.2008, at 03:23, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, I briefly wanted to check in to see whether anyone here is planning on attending 25C3 (http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/) in Berlin at the end of December? I'll be there from the 27th to the 29th, I've heard that some people

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.11.2008, at 19:38, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Luke Faraone wrote: All, In order to facilitate non-developer use, I'd like to propose the addition of the following: * #sugar-users - a channel for non-development how do I use this questions, akin to

Re: [IAEP] Library Collections are only layered on the Browse Activity.

2008-11-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 25.11.2008, at 18:02, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:52 PM, C.W. Holeman II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The diagram for the Sugar Application Stack (http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack) shows Library Collections as being layer on top of all of the Activities. The

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 26.11.2008, at 15:13, Seth Woodworth wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 07:50:43PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 24.11.2008, at 19:38, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Luke

Re: [IAEP] chatzilla IRC

2008-11-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.11.2008, at 11:41, Bill Kerr wrote: issues for newbies like me (things which joel / shenki explained to me separately): * it appears that 60 people are in the room but many are not there That's mostly an issue of time zone, and secondly of getting attention. The trick with time

Re: [IAEP] FOSDEM 2009: Brussels 7-8 Feb

2008-12-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 02.12.2008, at 07:27, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's coming? http://www.fosdem.org/ I'm very likely to make it. Would we want to have talks? A booth, even? Only lightning talks are still open. We need to

Re: [IAEP] Common Sugar distribution package contents.

2008-12-03 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 03.12.2008, at 18:15, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:36:42AM -0800, C.W. Holeman II wrote: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack: * Library Collections (e.g., for the Browse Activity) * Sugar Activities

Re: [IAEP] Calendar goodness

2008-12-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 04.12.2008, at 17:08, David Farning wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:48 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the new wiki feature Bernie add to w.s.o. http://sugarlabs.org/go/WikiTeam/Meetings

Re: [IAEP] Branding and mascot (Was: Re: Color combos for the logo)

2008-12-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.12.2008, at 13:30, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Jameson Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that Sugarlabs can do better at branding in general. A good branding presence has related logos for the organization and for the product; color swatches, 4 or

Re: [IAEP] Branding and mascot (Was: Re: Color combos for the logo)

2008-12-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.12.2008, at 20:57, Jameson Quinn wrote: Last try. Smilier, the X is closer to the real animal, and bigger eyes. On IRC they say this one's much cuter. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Suggie_glidie_3.svg Same questions: 0. Is anybody worse than neutral on the idea of a mascot

Re: [IAEP] Add Fedora logo

2008-12-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.12.2008, at 17:49, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Add Fedora logo to Sugar This is, I think, a misunderstanding. Yes it is. I set reply-to to OLPC-devel, this does not concern Suagr. Kim says Sugar is supposed to include a fedora logo (they will provide), on the

[IAEP] Etoys keyboard shortcuts

2008-12-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Some might find this useful: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys_Shortcuts - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?

2008-12-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 08.12.2008, at 13:32, Simon Schampijer wrote: Caroline Meeks wrote: Hi, I think it would be cool to be able to give everyone SoaS USBs as Conference Swag at events where Sugar Labs is presenting. What do we need to do this? 1. A SoaS image we are proud of. I think we are almost

Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick - Can we give it away at FUDCOM and at the DC event Walter is going to?

2008-12-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 08.12.2008, at 17:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 04:34:36PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: I just gave it a test drive. Sorry if I am the only one missing important parts of this thread, but _what_ did you test drive

[IAEP] Web4dev

2008-12-20 Thread Bert Freudenberg
I think I have not seen this mentioned here yet - just got sent a reminder of the invitation: The Fifth Annual United Nations’ Web4Dev conference, hosted by UNICEF in 2009, will bring together global thought leaders and innovators from the United Nations, academia, the development and

Re: [IAEP] journal in ubuntu

2008-12-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 22.12.2008, at 22:20, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:24, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Currently I am without an XO, and the Journal doesn't work on Ubuntu, so I am trying to

Re: [IAEP] journal in ubuntu

2008-12-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 22.12.2008, at 23:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 22.12.2008, at 22:20, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:24, Edward

Re: [IAEP] journal in ubuntu

2008-12-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.12.2008, at 03:26, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 22.12.2008, at 23:24, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Bert

Re: [IAEP] Flash at Sugar Labs

2009-01-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.01.2009, at 05:24, John Watlington wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: Currently Sugar is incapable of running software which is not specifically designed for it. Sugar runs simpler SWF applications just fine, through the Browser. They don't have to be designed for

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] idea for Sugar slogan and name

2009-01-12 Thread Bert Freudenberg
I guess Bryan thinks of it as a play on Mathland (in Papert's sense, not the curriculum of the same name). The name of squeakland.org was inspired by the same idea: What would happen if children who can’t do math grew up in Mathland, a place that is to math what France is to French? --S.P.

[IAEP] Technical Report on OLPC Etoys

2009-02-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
A new Technical Report has been posted to the VPRI website, titled Etoys for One Laptop Per Child by Scott Wallace, Yoshiki Ohshima, and Yours Truly: http://www.vpri.org/html/writings.php Abstract We present an overview of the “OLPC Etoys” system, describe the intensive two-year

Re: [IAEP] irc logs

2009-02-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
I for one would appreciate automatic logs, freely accessible, fully indexed. If someone is tallying votes: +1 for logs - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] using the insert function block in turtle art

2009-02-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.02.2009, at 14:13, Paul Schulz wrote: - Is there another application I could use? Did you try Etoys? It's the shooting star icon. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.02.2009, at 10:59, Morgan Collett wrote: etoys This is packaged, but I think we're still missing a bit - the actual sugar activity for etoys. I don't personally have the time to work on it because I'm working on the above (and the actual glucose packages). What needs to be done

Re: [IAEP] SoaS - Another Snapshot

2009-02-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 22.02.2009, at 17:31, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:20:13PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Why did you exclude Etoys, which was included and working fine in previous versions of SoaS? do not worry Bert :) etoys is nashe vse and its part of sugar-fructose(prev. activities

Re: [IAEP] Interesting game described in latest ACM technews

2009-02-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Fraunhofer is an umbrella organization for many more-or-less independent research institutes. I would not condemn one institute for what another did do. - Bert - On 25.02.2009, at 22:27, Walter Bender wrote: memory serves you correctly... -walter On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Sean

Re: [IAEP] First competitor?

2009-02-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
I think the only obvious deficiency is the missing frame key. Without it Sugar is much less usable. A second issue is that the UI is designed towards a relatively small physical display size. Using the same proportions (say, frame-width-to- screen-size ratio) makes it appear bulky on a big

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Activities Under Emulation

2009-03-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 01.03.2009, at 06:17, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Will the following specific activities work under emulation: Jonas already mentioned that the term emulation is probably not what you meant - I assume you simply mean Sugar on non-XO hardware? Or specifically in a Linux emulator running under

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Road to SoaS-2: A new Snapshot!

2009-03-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 04.03.2009, at 20:58, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, a new soas-2 snapshot is ready for you! Go and grab it NOW from here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas-200903041854.iso It's important for us to get as much feedback as possible now, since with the recent

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS-2] Feature Complete? Another Snapshot.

2009-03-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.03.2009, at 07:44, Costello, Rob R wrote: Whats the difference between soas and soas-2? Soas-2 is experimental, based on Fedora 11. Soas-1 is more stable. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS-2] Feature Complete? Another Snapshot.

2009-03-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.03.2009, at 20:33, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, there's another snapshot of soas-2 ready for testing! There will be another snapshot on this Sunday to have an up2date image for bug triaging sessions. It's really important for us to get as much feedback as possible in this

Re: [IAEP] Press release picked up by MarketWatch via PR Newswire

2009-03-16 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 16.03.2009, at 14:03, Sean DALY wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sugar-labs-nonprofit-announces-new/story.aspx?guid= {EF4B8934-0046-465F-AD4D-E82FBCE8F1EC}dist=msr_7 Nice text. But next time you let someone fake a screenshot, you should have them clean it up more

Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe

2009-03-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.03.2009, at 16:19, Simon Schampijer wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Dear Sugar people, has been proposed a meetup in Europe during May, with the objectives of having some face-to-face time, reflect on the now past release of 0.84 (and the upcoming 0.86), get to know better the new

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Call for Testers (New Snapshot!)

2009-04-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 04.04.2009, at 00:17, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200904031934.iso This does not boot in VMWare Fusion. It stops after writing out initrd. 0..ready. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An

Re: [IAEP] Sugar on MacBook...still no go

2009-04-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
to use it in VirtualBox. I replied yesterday with a step- by-step procedure: Begin forwarded message: From: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de Date: 23. April 2009 13:15:38 MESZ To: Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Cc: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] .zip turned

Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator

2009-05-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 04.05.2009, at 19:46, Frederick Grose wrote: Some links to promote exploration: http://www.squeakland.org/download/ - brower plugins are available to run Etoys (Seems to be limited to x86 or i386 for the Linux - Debian download.) On the website, yes. Debian has a 64 bit version,

Re: [IAEP] School Report and request for help replicating some SoaS bugs.

2009-05-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.05.2009, at 20:00, Caroline Meeks wrote: On the mac's they seemed to boot fine from the CD+USB but there was some sort of problem with the screen. I've attached a pic, has anyone else seen it? Looks a lot like what I reported for the Mac mini:

Re: [IAEP] versus, not

2009-05-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.05.2009, at 13:55, Antoine van Gelder wrote: http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate/ Very interesting read, thank you. Highly recommended, and on second thought even highly on-topic. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An

Re: [IAEP] versus, not

2009-05-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 08.05.2009, at 16:05, Kathy Pusztavari wrote: I'll have to admit I don't have much right to request, complain, or even discuss. If I don't get off my butt and program something myself then I'm part of the problem. I think you misunderstood Walter. You can earn community credit not

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

2009-05-20 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SugarCamp Berlin

2009-05-31 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 31.05.2009, at 21:45, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:32, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: With Sean's highly likely, we have five attendees:) I'll start putting together a event wiki where we can work on the logistics. Be sure to invite your friends and

[IAEP] Fwd: [Edu-sig] Python flavoured Scratch

2009-06-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
This might interest some of the Pythonistas ... - Bert - Begin forwarded message: From: Jurgis Pralgauskis jurgis.pralgaus...@gmail.com Date: 3. Juni 2009 23:45:21 MESZ To: edu-...@python.org edu-...@python.org Subject: [Edu-sig] Python flavoured Scratch Hi, probably most of You know

Re: [IAEP] collaboration testing session

2009-06-05 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 05.06.2009, at 06:09, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So you mean

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder

2009-06-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.06.2009, at 09:51, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? Browse Read Write etc. At least the Fructose activities should always be there:

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.06.2009, at 15:17, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe Getting Started might be a better name? How about Basics? - Bert - Just to complicate things, Nubae and I were discussing collaboration on IRC. It is another theme people may be interested in searching. Activities that a whole class can

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 10:28, S Page wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation of SoaS XO-1 images. Excellent news, thanks! I indeed! Put them on a USB key or a SD card,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 12:56, Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to end users? [...] I suggest transforming

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.06.2009, at 14:09, Martin Dengler wrote: No, that's not the problem. It's people that don't know that they don't know what they're doing. My point is that I think we're worrying about people that a) want to be testers; and b) are so keen that they go copy-nanding (after getting a

Re: [IAEP] 7th-grade biology

2009-07-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 01.07.2009, at 10:14, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: I and others are starting a project in 7th-grade biology teaching and learning, with a focus on pre-biotic and biological evolution, ... Anybody interested? Edward, see smartbug at http://rupert.id.au/schoolgamemaker/samples3/ Bugs

[IAEP] Squeakers documentary (was Re: Physics)

2009-07-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 01.07.2009, at 14:35, Alan Kay wrote: For example, one child Tyrone (shown in the Squeakers CD explaining all this) Squeakers is an award-winning documentary movie about teaching math and science using Etoys in the class room (made in 2002). It's in English and was subtitled by the

Re: [IAEP] Squeakers documentary (was Re: Physics)

2009-07-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 01.07.2009, at 17:40, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: At Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:33:14 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 01.07.2009, at 14:35, Alan Kay wrote: For example, one child Tyrone (shown in the Squeakers CD explaining all this) Squeakers is an award-winning documentary movie about

Re: [IAEP] View Slides an alternative to PowerPoint?

2009-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Since this does not seem to be obvious: It's really simple to create nice presentations in Etoys, there is not even scripting involved: 0. Start a fresh Etoys copy (in Strawberry, right-click the Etoys icon and choose start rather than resuming the latest project) 1. click new project 2. From

Re: [IAEP] View Slides an alternative to PowerPoint?

2009-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 02.07.2009, at 17:41, Jim Simmons wrote: David, I just checked out Google Docs for the first time and I'm impressed. It looks and feels very much like PowerPoint, and you can even download your finished presentation in PDF format for the Read activity. I think for teachers that depend

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-29 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.07.2009, at 07:22, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could have more influence. [...] What are the options for the community having

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-30 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.07.2009, at 22:23, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:17:56PM -0300, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 28.07.2009, at 07:22, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I

[IAEP] Labyrinth (was Re: SoaS as a Sugar Labs project)

2009-08-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 26.08.2009, at 03:22, Gary C Martin wrote: -- Feature roadmap/Concept maps: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Concept_maps Me, me, ME!! ;-) No, actually Tomeu picked up Labyrinth sugarisation, then I did some UI polishing and hooked up extra features along with the talented

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 26.08.2009, at 17:42, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: Tomeu, Frankly Michael, the only way I can read these posts from you is that you are frustrated because we aren't churning more work, regardless of how much we have

Re: [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: === Sugar Digest === 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity with Microsoft. It

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Fwd: w7sins FUD

2009-09-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Thanks to all who made the FSF change this. - Bert - On 02.09.2009, at 08:14, Bill Kerr wrote: Yes the new paragraph is more reasonable: Microsoft is now targeting governments who are purchasing XOs, in an attempt to get them to replace the free software with Windows. It remains to be

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.09.2009, at 00:17, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: -- I do not have a XO ... I've heard it has a LOGO variant called Etoys ? (can Etoys read a camera image?) Etoys is built on a Smalltalk variant called Squeak, but yes, it can access the XO-1's

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.09.2009, at 17:36, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: J, like APL, sadly does not get the publicity that it deserves. A fate it shares with other nice languages. Like, err, Smalltalk. I would not be surprised if Roger Hui were willing to create an

Re: [IAEP] Sdenka Salas's book about the xo and sugar

2009-09-30 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.09.2009, at 17:10, Bill Kerr wrote: from walter's digest: 2. Sdenka Salas, a teacher who is working with Andean children from Aymara and Quechua communities, wrote a book in April about using Sugar in the classroom. She recently completed the English-language version. She has kindly

Re: [IAEP] Any ideas how to make an image with a transparent background inSugar?

2009-10-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
About how to get the drawing out of Etoys: Drag-and-drop it into the Sugar Frame's clipboard, or just press Ctrl- C when its halo is showing. Then either insert into the activity you want directly by drag-and- drop or Ctrl-V (if the activity supports that), or store the clipping in the

Re: [IAEP] Sugarcamp Bolzano 2009 [1]Register [2]Planning Meeting

2009-10-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 08.10.2009, at 19:34, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hey, [1] Register: As many of you know the next Sugarcamp will be from 7th to 13th November 2009 in Bolzano, Italy - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009 . If you want to attend - please add your

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 12.10.2009, at 10:55, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I've been reading Montessori Madness for a few hours now, and I find Another good one is Montessori Today

Re: [IAEP] scratch gone missing

2009-11-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.11.2009, at 04:48, Bill Kerr wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:10, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:1/cat:107 How come scratch is no longer available

Re: [IAEP] scratch gone missing

2009-11-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.11.2009, at 23:28, Bill Kerr wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 07.11.2009, at 04:48, Bill Kerr wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:10, Bill Kerr billk

Re: [IAEP] A Couple of Comments/Questions

2009-11-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 18.11.2009, at 10:46, adam hyde wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:42 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: @timClicks Can't do. FLOSS Manuals inexplicably uses GPL for everything, which is more restrictive than Creative Commons. creative commons is not very useable. ever looked

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] Please help suggest illustrated eBooks for Sugar on a Stick v2 Blueberry launch

2009-11-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.11.2009, at 02:15, Tim McNamara wrote: Max Moritz is in the public domain. It would be a wonderful addition to the collection, if possible. Does anyone know whether it is available? Excellent suggestion! It's here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/17161 - Bert -

Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

2009-12-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.12.2009, at 21:54, Dave Bauer wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Tomeu, There is no mime type that I can see. The Journal entry simply says File filename.pr from url for file. This is no different, by the way, when I upload and then

Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

2009-12-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 07.12.2009, at 22:08, Dave Bauer wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 07.12.2009, at 21:54, Dave Bauer wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Tomeu, There is no mime type that I can see

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Future of Zero Sugar

2009-12-15 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 15.12.2009, at 15:09, Daniel Drake wrote: I believe there are still various well-known 0.86 regressions (over 0.84). For example, Record not working. These regressions are going to be a huge headache to anyone who tries to upgrade, perhaps you could squash a few of those. Speaking of

Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

2009-12-15 Thread Bert Freudenberg
. That is Ben's activity, not mine: 2009/10/28 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Bert Freudenberg wrote: The Distribute activity would be your best bet I guess. Where is it? http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/Distribute-1.xo Distribute is the barest prototype of a sharing activity, designed

Re: [IAEP] EToys Saving Problem

2010-01-15 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 15.01.2010, at 15:46, Gerald Ardito wrote: Bert, Thanks for this. I was able to find some lost EToys projects using your suggestion. I could use some help using copy-to-journal. I am getting an error about mimetype. What should I use? Thanks. Gerald For Etoys projects use

Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-Haiti] Need in Haiti: inexpensive portable projectors forOLPC/XO classrooms

2010-02-03 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 03.02.2010, at 11:51, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I also wonder if http://www.amazon.com/Porta-Trace-Mini-Sketch-5x-Opaque-Projector/dp/B000A3E2T2 might work, if just placed on an XO screen. There might still be heat issues, but it's cheap enough that an experiment might be warranted.

Re: [IAEP] [etoys-dev] TED - Alan Kay - Example(8:44)

2010-02-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 22.02.2010, at 08:50, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Here is an SVG of the simplest proof of the Pythagorean theorem I know, by dissection of a large square into five pieces that fit together into two smaller squares side by side. Thanks Edward I did not notice that no rotations were

Re: [IAEP] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library

2010-03-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 01.03.2010, at 10:07, Aleksey Lim wrote: Should sugar be closed education environment with activities created(in python) only for sugar or sugar provides programming languages agnostic services (Journal, Collab oriented features) that could be used by *existed* education applications

Re: [IAEP] Test developed activity for XO Laptop.

2010-03-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.03.2010, at 00:09, Parichay Parivesh wrote: Hello, I am developing an activity for XO laptop. Probably It is going to developed around 15 or 16 March 2010. I wanted to test that activity on XO laptop. Can any one tell me how can I do that. Another thing I have developed that

Re: [IAEP] Test developed activity for XO Laptop.

2010-03-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
and valuable suggestion. On 8 March 2010 23:37, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: In Etoys you normally save what you did as a project file, the filename will look like mygame.pr. Is that what you mean? If yes, then this can be loaded into Etoys on the XO, too. You can copy it onto a USB

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 13.03.2010, at 11:56, Bernie Innocenti wrote: I've spent three days in Caacupè, observing how the new F11-XO1 build is doing among our young user base. It's a great success, but for the wrong reason:

Re: [IAEP] Coming to Paraguay?

2010-03-15 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Indeed I'm working on adding Journal support to Scratch, almost done in fact. But I can't say when John is going to make a release with that. I'm not working on sound or other issues, but Derek did something in that direction IIRC. Btw you can read about ongoing development at

[IAEP] Fwd: [Edu-sig] Computer Science For Kids Book Announcement

2010-03-19 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Looks nice :) - Bert - Begin forwarded message: From: Andre Lessa an...@lessaworld.com Date: 19. März 2010 05:28:54 MEZ To: edu-...@python.org Subject: [Edu-sig] Computer Science For Kids Book Announcement Hey Python Community, I just self published this brand new book and I'm making

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [Edu-sig] Computer Science For Kids Book Announcement

2010-03-19 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 19.03.2010, at 13:19, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: Looks nice :) Pretty good. A few places it could be improved. For example, in his compression example, Page 28, he gets confused about bits

Re: [IAEP] urgent E toy!!!!!!!!!!!

2010-03-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Also see http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-529 - Bert - On 22.03.2010, at 14:08, Steve Thomas wrote: To get a flap hit CTRLW (on Macintosh CMDW). This will bring up the World menu. Then click on flaps... which will display the flaps menu. Then click on make a new flap You can now

Re: [IAEP] Gravity for Beginners...

2010-03-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.03.2010, at 06:48, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 23:11, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: How much lighter is a person in La Paz, Bolivia, than at sea level? This actually was asked by a kid when I was there last time. For practical purposes let's assume La

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Helping kids develop mobile applications?

2010-03-31 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 31.03.2010, at 04:26, Cherry Withers wrote: Someone already put Squeak on an iPhone (iPod Touch more accurately): http://news.squeak.org/2008/06/11/squeak-on-the-iphone/ And the same someone made a player for Scratch projects: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scratch/id358266270 However,

Re: [IAEP] maintenance

2010-04-30 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.04.2010, at 12:38, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, follows a plan about how to improve the situation regarding maintenance of our software modules. If you care about it, please reply even if only to say so, or even better, comment on it and suggest improvements. I will assume that lack of

Re: [IAEP] Soliciting SoaS v.4 Codename Colour Suggestions

2010-06-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Gooseberry. Green. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooseberry Tasty, funny name, what more do we want? ;) - Bert - On 03.06.2010, at 20:31, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: We'd like to kick off the process for the upcoming Sugar on a Stick v.4 already, while gearing up for the SoaS PR at LinuxTag,

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Soliciting SoaS v.4 Codename Colour Suggestions

2010-06-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: Gooseberry. Green. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooseberry Tasty, funny name, what more do we want? ;) - Bert - On 03.06.2010, at 20:31, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: We'd like to kick off the process for the upcoming Sugar on a Stick v

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] OLPC rules out Windows for XO-3

2010-06-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
IAEP is not a catch all. It's hard to delineate exactly what's appropriate and what's not, but the exchange below clearly belongs on the developer list. Everyone who is interested in that kind of detail and able to follow the discussion is certainly subscribed to that other list. So as soon

Re: [IAEP] Apple Eases Restrictions On iPhone Developers

2010-06-12 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 12.06.2010, at 20:10, Kevin Cole wrote: Regarding the recent discussion of Sugar on an iPhone and Apple's position on interpreted languages: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/qWtSOhKr4To/Apple-Eases-Restrictions-On-iPhone-Developers WrongSizeGlass writes MacRumors has a

  1   2   >