On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 21:08 -0600, Scott Fagen wrote:
Although the documentation and parameters would seem to indicate otherwise,
the GRS monitor is not capable of recording STEP ENQs.
Cough, splutter, ... say what !!!
The (online) doco all the way back to OS/390 V2.4 has this.
Choose your
Scott Fagen wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:58:48 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Ticic wrote:
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I'm trying to trace some SCOPE=STEP ENQ's.
I RTFMed.
I started GRS Monitor (ISGRUNAU).
I modified ISGAMF00 member by putting GFLG FILTER=N.
Then assembled, linkedited, issued F
-- snip --
Although the documentation and parameters would seem to indicate
otherwise,
the GRS monitor is not capable of recording STEP ENQs.
Scott,
Thnk you for the explanation. Indeed - I'm not happy of such surprise.
However I have on more question:
Can I see scope=STEP enq's using D
Dear listers,
reading Cheryl Watson's last Tuning letter one sentence about the Upgrade ROT
caught my attention:
Only add resources as needed. If you add more memory than you need, you'll
simply cause CPU overhead.
My first question is how could more memory cause CPU overhead ?
Our production
Pinnacle wrote:
My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a
Shark. SnapShot is used to snap 600 volumes in about 5-10 minutes. The
physical tape backups are done from the snaps and take about 8 hours.
This
DR process is fully tested and works great. My main
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Are you saying that we will have to pay extra just because we
didn't get to 1.7 'fast enough'?
The pay extra comes into play if you encounter a previously-unreported
and undiagnosed problem in
What about asking Melinda Gates about Bob? What's up with that?
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Wayne,
GQSCAN returns SCOPE=STEP enqueues for address spaces other than the
ASID of the issuer - doesn't that indicate that these structures exist
in GRS somewhere?
Rob Scott
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Dear listers,
reading Cheryl Watson's last Tuning letter one sentence about the
Upgrade ROT caught my attention:
Only add resources as needed. If you add more memory than you need,
you'll simply cause CPU overhead.
An unused unit of storage must be examined, determined
that it is unused and actions (statistics) are taken
for unused storage. If this storage is just not there,
less activity is needed.
But there should be less paging and hence reduced paging overhead.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
Retorts from the peanut gallery:
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/01/05/0538224.shtml
Year of the Mainframe? Not Quite, Say Linux Grids
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Rob,
It does, but it also is an extremely SLWWW process, which makes me
wonder if it is done via a local SRB scheduled in the target address
space, vs a PC call to the GRS space.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
-Original
I don't want to get too far OT here but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob has a good summary of what Bob
was, and Melinda (French) Gates' role.
My point was that it is easy for the advocates of some product (in this case
mainframes) to dismiss the success of some other product (in this
Retorts from the peanut gallery:
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/01/05/0538224.shtml
Year of the Mainframe? Not Quite, Say Linux Grids
And how much do they pay for LINUX admins for 120 boxes? And for
licenses for 120 boxes?
Jon L. Veilleux
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Slashdot had this article today:
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/01/05/0538224.shtml
IBM touted 2006 as a resurgence year for the mainframe, but not so
fast. At R.L. Polk and Co., one of the oldest automobile analytics
firms in the U.S., an aging mainframe couldn't cut it, so the IT staff
Hi all,
We have 2 boxes, 2 separate locations. Location1 has 4 lpars, and location2
has 2 lpars,
one lpar being a backup to the production lpar at location1.
I am planning to move to operlib from syslog at both locations, but I can
find where a migration
like this is documented.
--
Thanks,
Mike
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:56:41 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, more general: is there any method to dsiplay STEP enqueues ?
DUMP / IPCS (already mentioned)...
Easy way: ISRDDN or TASID ENQ display (or other MVS monitors).
Mark
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One of the most easy to see SCOPE=STEP enqueues to see is the SPFUSER
one - I can see this for all of our TSO users reasonably quickly using
GQSCAN - and most of these guys are swapped out.
GQSCAN invokes a space-switch PC routine executing in the GRS address
space - I would put my money on the
Hi Tom,
Yes it is possible to use Flashcopy to establish Flashcopy pairs for a
large number of volumes at approximately the same time. We do this in
conjunction with a daily syncpoint where activity is suspended in DB2 to
support DRP.
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m...
An unused unit of storage must be examined, determined
that it is unused and actions (statistics) are taken
for unused storage. If this storage is just not there,
less activity is needed.
But there should be less
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/04/2007
at 04:47 PM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It gives you a lot.
I've certainly used it extensively, but trace ?i is no replacement for
a real debugger.
As the line commands have the functionality,
Are you saying that CP line commands process the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 01/04/2007
at 08:24 AM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Right you are! I've been reading MAC documentation lately.
It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. And there are worse things.
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ISO position; see
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 01/04/2007
at 08:22 AM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ah, you guessed.
It wasn't hard; the case is notorious in Linux circles.
Groklaw-a-holic here.
Not me, although I hit it once or twice.
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ISO
In
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at 07:21 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
If you are storing your USS table load module in a partitioned data set which
is *not* listed in the LNKLSTxx member of SYS1.PARMLIB, you do *not* need to
use the MODIFY (F) LLA,REFRESH command.
Not
An unused unit of storage must be examined, determined
that it is unused and actions (statistics) are taken
for unused storage. If this storage is just not there,
less activity is needed.
But there should be less paging and hence reduced paging overhead.
There's over allocating and then there
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SNIP
Steve,
Over what period of time were the volumes
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:51:43 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And how much do they pay for LINUX ... licenses for 120 boxes?
There is no charge for a Linux license. Same for 120.
Support? That's another question.
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There is no charge for a Linux license.
Unless you only run free software, there will be a charge
for middleware.
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Rocket Software
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[Shmuel Metz] [...] you wouldn't have the symbol table access that
TSO TEST provides.
A pitiful subset of the symbols actually used in programming these days.
With IBM macros more and more frequently defining symbols 9
characters long and longer, TSO TEST's symbol support is becoming
more
Hi,
CA-ENF is flagged by the IBM 1 byte console tracker.CA-ENF does work
correctly and is documented by CA to work correctly on z/OS R8 though it
will still be flagged. CA common services has published QO85076 which
resolves this so that the ENF WTOs will not use 1 byte console ids and
not
Bearing in mind that XRC was intended for eXtended Remote Copy, what would
be the point of NOT having a datamover at the remote site?
JJ
XRC user
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Tom Marchant wrote:
There is no charge for a Linux license. Same for 120.
Support? That's another question.
LINUX doesn't cost, but is all of the software free? Also, I forgot to
mention...How much does the infrastructure for 120 LINUX servers cost? I
would think that the power, floor space,
(I'll cross-post this to MVS-OE)
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:07:39 +
Speaking of support.
Have you heard that m$ wants to charge for the patches to automate the new D
aylight Savings Time changes back to March?
Hmmm. z/OS 1.8 still doesn't
You might consider increasing your data buffers to use some of your 'unused'
memory and decrease CPU utilization by decreasing I/O. The increase in I/O
efficiency will more than compensate for any incidental paging that may result.
From: Walter Marguccio
On 4 Jan 2007 14:09:54 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craddock,
Chris) wrote:
Honestly guys, I am a pro-mainframe guy. I even used to work in the same
place as Steve mumble years ago. So take as read that I am not
ignorantly mainframe bashing. Mainframes have many fine attributes, but
they're not the
Good question! I suppose XRC could be used solely as an offsite vaulting
mechanism.
In a cold site setup, it could save NALC operating system software
dollars, but those charges aren't significant enough (to me) to
recommend an XRC push. John's scenario gives a good reason for a push,
but that,
See Apar PK24076
snip
Speaking of support.
Have you heard that m$ wants to charge for the patches to automate the
new D aylight Savings Time changes back to March?
Hmmm. z/OS 1.8 still doesn't have this right, either. IBM has about 2
months to create a PTF.
/snip
Hmmm. z/OS 1.8 still doesn't have this right, either.
All MVS services will get the time from the TOD clock which is set
during IPL. In addition to the PTFs you mentioned there are Java PTFs
available and PK24076 for LE.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
What is a V2X2?
V2X2 is StorageTek (now Sun-Storagetek) disk array.
General reference name is SVA (Shared Virtual Array) and the various models
over the years have been:
IceBerg
9393
9500
V960
V2X
V2X2
V2X4 (and V2X4f for FICON attached)
We've gone
Mike Szyszka wrote:
Hi all,
We have 2 boxes, 2 separate locations. Location1 has 4 lpars, and
location2
has 2 lpars,
one lpar being a backup to the production lpar at location1.
I am planning to move to operlib from syslog at both locations, but I
can
find where a migration
like this is
Rob,
That makes complete sense, I stand corrected. Like I said it was a wild
guess, and I am always looking to learn.
Thanks,
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
PS - Rob, will you be able to make it to SHARE next month?
-Original
Thanks They are not in a parallel sysplex, and will not be in the future
at all.
On 1/5/07, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Szyszka wrote:
Hi all,
We have 2 boxes, 2 separate locations. Location1 has 4 lpars, and
location2
has 2 lpars,
one lpar being a backup to the production
I have tried to talk to IBM support about unsupported systems and they
have refused to even start the conversation
That's what unsupported means. No support contract, no conversation.
This does not preclude you from searching IBMLINK and pulling PTFs
for known problems.
Bob Shannon
Rocket
In a recent note, Gibbons, Mark said:
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:33:14 -0800
PK24076 for LE. I thought this was for base Unix, but now I'm not sure.
PK23865 for Java 1.4.
Me, too. I had looked only under z/OS, but I now see PK24076
under program products. Isn't Unix System
I read the article and it did not contain any information concerning the
size of the mainframe that is being compared to the grid. I have seen
detailed analysis of grid computing versus the use of a parallel sysplex in
z/OS and the z environment compared favorably when using its capabilities.
Shane wrote:
I was in the process of testing for Radoslaw when this post came in.
Given your admission above, why does it even need a bloody RCF ???.
Sorry mate, not acceptable.
If an RCF won't cut it, how about a DOC APAR?
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5200 W
In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:07:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cargo ships are king of the hill.Too many alternatives, too many
goals, too much diversity to compare a cargo ship with a moped.
Think it was Sealand built an upscaled version container
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:00:33 -0500, Bob Shannon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have tried to talk to IBM support about unsupported systems and they
have refused to even start the conversation
That's what unsupported means. No support contract, no conversation.
This does not preclude you from
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:15:31 -0500, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Tom,
Yes it is possible to use Flashcopy to establish Flashcopy pairs for a
large number of volumes at approximately the same time. We do this in
conjunction with a daily syncpoint where activity is suspended in DB2 to
Veilleux, Jon L wrote:
[...]
And how much do they pay for LINUX admins for 120 boxes? And for
licenses for 120 boxes?
How much do you pay for admins for nn images of z/OS on yur LPARs?
Who's cheaper: linux admin or mainframe admin ?
Environmental factors (power, floor space, air cond.) need
Mark Zelden wrote:
An unused unit of storage must be examined, determined
that it is unused and actions (statistics) are taken
for unused storage. If this storage is just not there,
less activity is needed.
But there should be less paging and hence reduced paging overhead.
There's over
HW maintenance for 120 PCs is probably cheaper than for one z9.
Especially since it might well be if one breaks, we'll replace it.
Charles
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To:
Here's an old article that describes how SIAC took the reverse route. It
doesn't mention the cost-savings, but you can be assured that SIAC didn't
take this route to spend more money.
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc-bin/artread.pl?direction=Currentarticlenumber=101483
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:08:32 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMHO the difference between 10GB and 60GB won't be perceptible, while
difference between 8 and 10 GB will be small but perceptible.
What makes you say that? It depends on the release, if you are
running 64-bit and even your
On 3 Jan 2007 18:35:45 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Karthick wrote:
Hello,
We have planned to implement the following password rules in RACF.
Passwords Syntax:
* Restrictions on repeated characters
* Alphanumeric passwords, including special characters, upper case, and
I can tell you that we got one of the best systems programmers that I
have ever seen from R.L. Polk about 30 years ago.
He has since retired.
He did a number of amazing things such as front-end SVC 26 to keep a
certain tape drive range from being used, SMS before there was such a
thing, Mod on
From Vulture Central, aka The Reg
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/01/05/developing_legacy_systems_part2
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The information contained in this
Characters like slash used in a password conflict with the parsing
routines used for e.g. LOGON APPLID(...) DATA(...). Who knows where all
there is parse-like hardcode of sessiondata.
And then there is the security system password prompts where today slash
after pwd means new pwd.
I try to
We are running small sun boxes for unix and dell for Microsoft. We run
clustered with failover. It works well. We're all fiber attached disk with
large cache. It works well.
Try to explain to a UNIX person that when you add an additional/similar CPU
to your mainframe that your software does not
George,
You're kidding, right? Is this flame bait?
I just added 8 general purpose engines (4 per CEC) at no additional
software cost.
*** I would love to see YOUR expression! ***
Bob Richards
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George,
You're kidding, right? Is this flame
Ditto here. In any z/OS system CEC upgrade here, software upgrade costs are
always the single most difficult factor to accomodate.
Jon
snip
What are you running on those engines? I know that any increase in our
CPU capacity always causes weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth
due to the
Now now, Bob - you are just trying to get us to believe you have
Jedi-like mind control powers over sales reps
waving hand in Obi-Wonesque manner
These are not the CPUs that you are charging for
Rob Scott
Rocket Software, Inc
275 Grove Street
Newton, MA 02466
617-614-2305
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John,
Well, for now, let's just say that our LP to CP ratios exceed 1:1. :-)
As for the ISVs, we beat them up about MIPS terminology awhile ago.
Now if I actually start to use this capacity, my costs can go up. But
double? Gimme a break! Even if full capacity charging is warranted if I
use all
And for some non-mainframe server software, if you add another CPU, your
license costs do double. I think Oracle prices that way, and I think IBM may
price some software that way.
Charles
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Rob,
No, but if the ISVs want us to remain a customer.
In my reply to John, I made a slightly confusing statement about the 10%
increase. What I really meant to say was that my full cap prior to the
8 engines being added to the full cap with the 8 engines added would
only cause that increase
Charles,
That is exactly WHY the z9 can be cost effective in the right
circumstances using Linux under z/VM. Heck, even z/OS competes well
today against WebSphere/UDB under AIX with the advent of zAAPs and
zIIPs.
MOST UNIX software is licensed on a per processor basis. Those license
costs add
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John,
Well, for now, let's just say that our LP
My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a
Shark. SnapShot is used to snap 600 volumes in about 5-10 minutes.
The physical tape backups are done from the snaps and take about 8
hours. This DR process is fully tested and works great. My main
concern if we replace
Hi, All,
In z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids, I see the
following:
==
4.2.3 Using the AMDSADDD utility
The REXX utility AMDSADDD resides in SYS1.SAMPLIB.
===
However, in SYS1.SAMPLIB furnished with our
the 1.8 manual has been updated to say
The REXX utility AMDSADDD resides in SYS1.SBLSCLI0
and so it does; I checked.
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---snip---
There is no charge for a Linux license.
Unless you only run free software, there will be a charge
for middleware.
---unsnip
Not to mention floor space, power, air conditioning,
Joe jeffries wrote:
Bearing in mind that XRC was intended for eXtended Remote Copy, what would
be the point of NOT having a datamover at the remote site?
---unsnip---
Possibly the cost of maintaining a processor to drive it, witht eh
On 5 Jan 2007 05:50:43 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote:
My point was that it is easy for the advocates of some
product (in this case
mainframes) to dismiss the success of some other product
(in this case
squatty boxes) by
Except for older CF stuff like TYPE=CFR, adding/deleting partitions and
devices not defined with the dynamic feature I don't recall having to
perform many PORs...
Paths to the control unit should be unique. See CUADD, etc. What do
your CNTLUNIT and IODEVICE statements look like? What is the
How much do you pay for admins for nn images of z/OS on yur LPARs?
We went from 8 LPARs to 20 in a five-year span, with no increase in staff, due
to automation (mostly).
We had double that growth in *NIX and win-things ands the ADMIN staff increased
at a faster rate than that.
Again, due to
Especially since it might well be if one breaks, we'll replace it.
If is a big word in the z/World!
Yaw tee pucketty!
Rum ting clue!
Ni! Ni! Ni!
Arrooo!
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On 1/5/2007 12:59 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
The choice of nationals as the only special characters allowable in
passwords is poor to say the least. The $ code point becomes a pound
sterling sign in the UK and the yen sign in Japan. I suspect similar
changes for the others. It would be far
Edward Jaffe wrote:
The following now appears on IBMLink:
| 02 Jan 07 - Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink
|
| Access to the ServiceLink applications on VM
| will end on March 31, 2007. All applications
| except VPL are available on the web at:
| www.ibm.com/ibmlink
|
| There is currently no
Charles Mills wrote:
expertise and budget, you can't sell people what they don't want. If people
are buying squatty boxes, it must be because they offer some benefit. And my
larger point was that we will not succeed with mainframes by denying the
capabilities of other boxes, but rather by
an aging mainframe, yea okay, so what were they running? a 9021 with 128 meg
of central storage running OS/390 2.4 ?
okay, sarcasm mode back off. for now.
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I was flipping channels on TV the other night and in one of the Jackie
Chan/Chris Tucker RUSH HOUR movies, I saw this usage. Chris has just
accidentally punched Jackie in the face resulting in this exchange:
Jackie: Carter!
Chris: All y'all look alike!
Regards,
Roger Bolan
IBM
Without knowing what your day-to-day role is, it's hard to say.
First, simply by not being in denial. Mainframes are not better because the
people who use them are older, the boxes are bigger, they were around in
1979, and all of your professional peers work on them. Mainframes are not
better
an aging mainframe, yea okay, so what were they running? a 9021 with 128 meg
of central storage running OS/390 2.4 ?
Hey, I want a 9021. But I guess I would settle on a 9121.
There actually is a guy in Poughkeepsie with a 9021 in his basement.
--
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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:41:23 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
This is UNBELIEVABLE!
No. Unfortunately, it IS believable. A study of just about any Dilbert
comic strip should help explain it.
... The usage for VPL is very low. How often do you use VPL? Any
details you can
In a recent note, Charles Mills said:
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:04:22 -0800
If you work for an end-user company, then you have some influence on, for
example, the ease-of-use of your systems. I often hear on this list a
defense of obscurity: why would you want to change how JCL works
I notice that the Mainframe vs grid is a new grid running new software
on new hardware versus an unspecified aging mainframe running old
software. One wonders how new software on a new mainframe would have
compared.
Regards,
Roger Bolan
IBM Printing Systems Division
Visit our Web
The IBM and HDS disks copy the data in the background when a FLASHCOPY is
done. The ESTABLISH may be quick but the background copy may take a
while, especially if you FLASH many volumes. The FLASHCOPY architecture
makes the flashed copy look like the original disk immediately so you
don't need
RS/Mike
What does SETLOGRC (the SET LOGREC command) have to do with OPERLOG?
OPERLOG is controlled via the VARY OPERLOG command.
You can also use OPERLOG as a DASD-only log stream. This method is only
suitable for a single system sysplex. I believe IBM has announced that
OPERLOG is mandatory
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:29:22 -0700, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
In a recent note, Charles Mills said:
If you work for an end-user company, then you have some influence on, for
example, the ease-of-use of your systems. I often hear on this list a
defense of obscurity: why would you want to change how
Y'all aren't taking the original topic seriously enough. Ending 3270
access to ibmlink should be protested on principal! And ending VPL,
while not a problem for me at my level, is a serious problem for Ed and
the other ISV's we depend on. And can only drive up the costs of their
development as
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