Thomas Kern writes:
I would use CPU seconds rather than Service Units. Managers can understand
that there are only 86400 CPU seconds per engine per day. If you can get
the
price paid for your z9, take 1/4 of that and divide by 365*86400 to get a
price per CPU second. This would recover the cost of
John Chase writes:
That's how I _had_ RDz running, but after 60 days it refused to start
unless I provided a product key for it. Our shop purchased only
enough keys for our applications folks to use it.
Just to clarify, when you order the CICS Service Flow Feature you should be
receiving one
Steve Conway writes:
John: my vote is that this is NOT an advertisement and is welcome. I'm
all for free presentations, from IBM or any other vendor.
It's also perhaps worth noting that, if you have z/OS, there's no
additional charge for z/OS 1.9. In fact, there's some potential cost
reduction:
We're currently looking into migrating a very old PL/1 application
set (running on OS PL/1 2.3 ) to LE (3.6/3.7).
I assume you mean migrating from OS PL/1 V2.3 to Enterprise PL/1
V3.6/V3.7. There are two aspects in this mirgation: One going
from non-LE to LE and a second migrating from OS PL/1
Just go get the first volume of the ABCs of Systems Programming. It's
chapter 6 of the book. And the book does not function as a contact
gatherer like this link does.
I did not yet fill out the registration for just that reason. Thanks
for the chapter hint.
--
Peter Hunkeler
Credit Suisse
Timothy Sipples wrote:
I don't get any commissions on anything, sadly.
For once I will drop my neutrality.
Timothy, John Eells, Walter Farrell, Frank Yaeger, etc. are all more than
welcome to post whatever they want. I read all and every posts of them.
More importantly, they post when they
Would inserting a //*ESPSYMBOL @ (or some other character) in the JCL
to change the ESP symbol substitution character address that?
Bill
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:16:13 -0500, Hal Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone besides us using the ESP scheduler and doing sub capacity
billing?
The
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
Just go get the first volume of the ABCs of Systems Programming. It's
chapter 6 of the book. And the book does not function as a contact
gatherer like this link does.
I did not yet fill out the registration for just that reason. Thanks
for the chapter hint.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:25:53 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
... I would prefer that JCL be VB.
There would be no sequence numbering at all.
Bravo!
Bye, bye IEBUPDTE?
Ed,
I was about to reply to the points you made and realized we have a
fundamental disagreement about the nature and tone of Timothy's posts. I
have *never* thought that his posts contained border line material.
Not even close.
Like Jim and Peter (and dozens of others from IBM), I believe
Timothy,
If somebody thinks I have failed in meeting these standards, or if
someone has suggestions for better standards, please let me know. I'm
quite open
to that.
I, for one, think you are doing just fine. Keep up the good work!
Bob
I want to thank Mark Jacobs and Mark Zelden and everyone else for their help
both on and off list while I got my hands around the zFS functions in z/OS
I was able to successfully IPL my z/OS V1.9 Serverpac yesterday with all zFS
files for USS. So I went from all HFS to all zFS without issue so
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
John Chase writes:
That's how I _had_ RDz running, but after 60 days it refused
to start
unless I provided a product key for it. Our shop purchased only
enough keys for our applications folks
David Andrews wrote:
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 14:37 -0400, John Eells wrote:
z/OS webcast on June 12th
What is the client requirement? The registration page doesn't say.
What I'm told is:
Once you register, all minimum requirements and a test URL are provided.
Here is what I have:
HW and
Allow mixed case outside of quoted strings.
e.g. SPace=..
snip
Subject: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
This is a blue sky idea for discussion. It is not a request to IBM. But
it derives from an earlier thread on the short comings of the current
JCL. So, I was just
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/28/2008
at 04:02 PM, David Eisenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm an application programmer. We are on z/OS 1.7. If I wish to see the
system ENQ status of all ENQs for a given major
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
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From: IBM
This is a good webcast and fast. I attended it in March 2008 and it covered
everything at lightning speed. But it is very through. The handout is a
definite plus to download before the presentation. It really helped me
prepare for my z/OS V1.9 upgrade.
Lizette
David Andrews wrote:
On Wed,
This might be a life saving event to someone on currently on
unemployment!
(or worse, whose unemployment has run out!)
snip
This interested me. Not because I want the position, but because I
couldn't believe someone was trying to hire an MVS Systems Programmer at
such a low salary.
Remainder
I do NOT object -- *this* is exactly the kind of info I seek to find on
this discusstion list.
thank you
Note: Given some recent discussion here, I hope this isn't construed as
an advertisement. (z/OS R9 doesn't cost any more--or any less, for that
matter--than other z/OS releases. ;-)
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:17:23 -0400, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I want to thank Mark Jacobs and Mark Zelden and everyone else for their help
both on and off list while I got my hands around the zFS functions in z/OS
You're welcome.
I was able to successfully IPL my z/OS V1.9
Having read all of the posts in this thread, I am unsure if the
objective is:
a) to determine if a particular module is loaded from a particular
dataset
or
b) to determine if a JOBLIB/STEPLIB is being used to access this
dataset.
The responses to this thread I have read so far, all seem to be
There is a difference between the 'Intro to Chargeback' reports that lowly
sysprogs might give to management as their first look at computer accounting
and the high-powered What-If modeling done by capacity planning scientists
trying to show the outcome of buying a zIIP this month and a zAAP next
SIGNOFF IBM-MAIN
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Sorry, my bad. We too skipped 1.7. We have a bad habit of 'discovering' new
stuff that's actually been around for a while. Apologies for misleading those
on z/OS 1.7.
Regards,
Art Gutowski
Ford Motor Company
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:54:53 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote:
Allow mixed case outside of quoted strings.
e.g. SPace=..
Yes. But I advocate case sensitivity except for keywords.
Examples:
//Stepexec Pgm=FOOBAR
//File DD *
// Dd Dummy
//FILE Dd
Ok,I think that I know what the errors are.
You spelt SYMBOL2 as SYSBOL2 in the parm statement.
You can only use up to 71 characters on a line for JCL. To Continue the
parm use a x in col 72 such as my sample below.
+1+2+3+4+5+6+7--
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:54:53 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote:
Allow mixed case outside of quoted strings.
e.g. SPace=..
Yes. But I advocate case sensitivity except for keywords.
Examples:
//Stepexec Pgm=FOOBAR
//File DD *
// Dd Dummy
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:30:26 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
STEP, Step, FILE, File, FOOBAR, and FooBar are taken as-is
and refer to different entities.
No, no, no! Case sensitivity is a nightmare! Allow
mixed case, sure, but not case sensitivity. No! No!
Will you, nill you, case sensitivity is
Hi, All,
We're doing post-install aceivities for z/OS 1.9, and I noticed there is
a SIGYROOT filesystem included in our ServerPac. I don't find any
mention of its release or service level in the Program Directory or
Installing Your Order document, but from its name it appears to be
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:30:26 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
STEP, Step, FILE, File, FOOBAR, and FooBar are taken as-is
and refer to different entities.
No, no, no! Case sensitivity is a nightmare! Allow
mixed case, sure, but not case sensitivity. No! No!
Will you, nill
We use plexcalc for PSA pricing. All our SMF data is by LPAR, so we combine
up to the CPC level, and run PLEXCALC against each CPC's data (easier for me
to build charts), so we did not see this anomaly. Looking at the JCL, I see no
way to assign CPCx to a particular serial number.
I ran a
snip
for z/OS 1.9, and I noticed there is a SIGYROOT filesystem included in our
ServerPac
snip
I have it on a 1.7 system and it looks like some COBOL -- Java mapping.
It came mapped to /usr/lpp/cobol in 1.7
Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)
Different places adopt different philosophies. Having been the MVS chargeback
administrator in the past, I can say that no method is perfect. My suggestion
is to familiarize yourself with the research of those who have gone down this
road before. A good place to start would be the Web site
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:54:23 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, All,
We're doing post-install aceivities for z/OS 1.9, and I noticed there is
a SIGYROOT filesystem included in our ServerPac. I don't find any
mention of its release or service level in the Program Directory or
Peter,
When are these statistics/events recorded? I executed the display
command against one of our LLA managed library and received information
about a subset of fetched modules in the library, but not all fetched
modules were reported.
This library contains JES2 Exits, Command Exit, SMF
In a message dated 6/5/2008 7:01:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am in favor of the free exchange of information. The vendors who post
here learn, very quickly, what the majority deem acceptable. Even in
Darren's absence, the list does occasionally police itself.
I am at Z/OS 1.9 and have had trouble applying service to ISF.SISFLOAD. I
got a D37 abend in SMP/E . I copied the dataset and enlarged but can't
rename to replace
the old one. It seems I have been here before but I can't recall what trick
I used to
get around it. I am in an LPAR environmemt(not
I had same problem. CBT file 183 contained BYPASSNQ program to allow
renames/scratches of enqued files.
User beware!
Jerry
Talbert Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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06/05/2008 11:34 AM
Please respond to
IBM Mainframe Discussion List
This note goes way back but still applies just find new manual:
Inuse system dataset Rename/Delete etc.
Assuming that you are at the right level of ISPF and have the right RACF
authority:
the new facility you might be thinking of is the RACF FACILITY
profile STGADMIN.DPDSRN.olddsname. See
Richards, Robert B. wrote:
I was about to reply to the points you made and realized we have a
fundamental disagreement about the nature and tone of Timothy's posts. I
have *never* thought that his posts contained border line material.
Not even close.
Bob, you're missing my point entirely...
You're going to love this. Got this error?
GIM69208S ** RECEIVE PROCESSING HAS FAILED BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF PROGRAM
GIMJVCLT (34.09) IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE LEVEL OF THE SMP/E CALLING
PROGRAM GIMSMP (34.13).
(GIMVCLT is in the following path: /usr/lpp/smp/classes/com/ibm/smp/)
In the same
---snip
From the 'Company Overview' in the posting
Committing to hire the best and brightest, pay them more than fairly,
give them the environment they need to excel, provide the management
systems that allow them to self manage, and then
Excerpt for Rename of duplicate dataset name.
1. Invoke the Data Set Utility (Option 3.2)
2. Type R in the option field, specify the data set name you want
to rename and the volume serial number where it resides, and then press
the Enter key.
3. If a data set is cataloged, a
In a message dated 6/5/2008 11:09:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've looked. But, I can't find where Darren ever communicated his list
of rules to the IBM-MAIN participants. Has anyone ever seen these
rules? What sorts of things to they cover?
Back in the
Ed,
Aha! I see the light! :-) And, obviously, I cannot answer your
questions with any authority. And I will let Darren speak for himself,
if he catches this post.
Sorry for the confusion on my part. Can I claim a bit of mental
deficiency due to brain rot while my heart was on the bypass
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:59:12 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
I have no issue with mixed case; and I support
case sensitivity _in quotes_; but I feel when you
start saying pgm=Foobar and pgm=FooBar identify
two different programs then I say stop. Debugging
those kinds of JCL errors is not productive.
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:14:54 -0500, Miller, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You're going to love this. Got this error?
GIM69208S ** RECEIVE PROCESSING HAS FAILED BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF PROGRAM
GIMJVCLT (34.09) IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE LEVEL OF THE SMP/E CALLING
PROGRAM GIMSMP (34.13).
(GIMVCLT is
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:06:59 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
ISPF EDIT (which is what SJ used) allocates a temporary FB/80 dataset
and copies the data from the edit buffer to it (truncating or padding
with no messages), then does a TSO SUBMIT command against that
temporary dataset.
With the advent of
---snip-
Aha! I see the light! :-) And, obviously, I cannot answer your questions
with any authority. And I will let Darren speak for himself, if he
catches this post.
Sorry for the confusion on my part. Can I claim a bit of mental
deficiency
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:59:12 -0600,
The last modified date on GIMJVCLT corresponds to the last service that
touched it, which was on as shipped with the serverpac.
I've gone back and looked at the original serverpac output. The last changed
date corresponds to the date the HFS was loaded during serverpac install.
To answer
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:54:23 -0500, Chase, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, All,
We're doing post-install aceivities for z/OS 1.9, and I
noticed there
is a SIGYROOT filesystem included in our
We are just starting to get heavenly involved in the OMVS environment. We are
using CA-ACF2 for our security package.
We are also starting to get involved in the CICS WEB access environment. My
questions are:
1) Is there another way to protect the OMVS environment instead of using
HFS
Thanks for the suggestions of DCOLLECT and DFSORT! I found the manual
and it looks like it will give me what we need.
Gail Ray
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:00 PM
To:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:01:08 -0500, Miller, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The last modified date on GIMJVCLT corresponds to the last service that
touched it, which was on as shipped with the serverpac.
I've gone back and looked at the original serverpac output. The last
changed date corresponds
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:03:26 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:54:23 -0500, Chase, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, All,
We're doing post-install aceivities for z/OS
Where is it written that they are looking for a domestic candidate?
Committing to run a no overhead operation with self discipline..
scares me. Some 80% of security issues are from internal users.
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John,
Look for word ROOT rather than SIGYROOT
Enterprise COBOL, you must decide where to install the product. You
can install into either the root file system or a new HFS. If
required, you also have the option of running more than one releas
of COBOL concurrently.
Anyone had any success configuring redundant OSA TCP/IP networks?
We currently have two separate networks connected to two different OSA
ports, both of which are mission critical. We have two more OSA ports
we'd like to somehow exploit.
A fully redundant, load sharing configuration would
Like I say, I was skeptical. But I see no service in the CSI that hits it that
has been applied since the serverpac install.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mark Zelden
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:20 PM
To:
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
//STEP EXEC PGM='FooBar'
IEFC629I INCORRECT USE OF APOSTROPHE IN THE PGM FIELD
Why?
Because the code does not support, and therefore does not
expect, a quoted string as the value of the PGM= operand
on an EXEC statement. But I suspect you already knew that.
IBM
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:57:52 -0500, Miller, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Like I say, I was skeptical. But I see no service in the CSI that hits it
that has been applied since the serverpac install.
What is the RMID of GIMLEVEL? Is that PTF still in your SMPPTS?
Mark
--
Mark Zelden
Sr.
Carlson, Steven wrote:
We are just starting to get heavenly involved in the OMVS environment.
Ahh. Divine intervention ..
We are using CA-ACF2 for our security package.
We are also starting to get involved in the CICS WEB access environment. My
questions are:
1) Is there
Magen
So it would seem in pragmatic terms that what you want to do works -
clients were able to connect using generic resource name (MYCICS) - but
that you have an untidy situation in having some resources in POLIOU status.
Can any client wanting to create a session using the generic resource
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of William H. Blair
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
SNIP
Quotes are supposed to mean as-is.
I
Hal
As the slogan says Just do it!
An installation with which I am assisting from time to time these days has
quite a demanding configuration and - thankfully - whatever the theory
suggests should work does work.
If you need some encouragement over attaching say two OSA feature ports
to a
UO00335. Not in the PTS.
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Mark Zelden
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:22 PM
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Subject:Re: SMP/E Error - Resolved
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:57:52 -0500,
I have 10 files with the same layout and all must be sorted using the
same sort criteria.
Each file must be sorted into its own separate output file. Is it
possible to put this SORT into one step instead of creating 10 separate
steps?
On a glance through some sort documentation I was THINKIN
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:57:33 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will open a PMR.
I just received an update from my feedback:
Mark, we are aware of this problem and it is being looked into by
development. At this time, I don't
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:26 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Sort Multiple Files in One Step
I have 10 files with the same layout and all must be
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:04:47 -0500, William H. Blair wrote:
And why are terminal data sets (DSN(*)) converted to
upper case, no matter what I do?
I will need a better explanation for that one. Exactly
which part of what is converted to upper case? An *?
For example:
READY
allocate
Thanks, I'll give it a try!
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Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Sort Multiple Files in One Step
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From: IBM
John McKown wrote on 06/05/2008 01:34:30 PM:
Use ICETOOL.
//MULTSORT EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=*
//DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=*
//TOOLIN DD *
SORT FROM(I1) TO(O1) USING(SORT)
SORT FROM(I2) TO(O2) USING(SORT)
SORT FROM(I3) TO(O3)
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:39 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:04:47 -0500,
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:41 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Sort Multiple Files in One Step
[snip]
You beat me to it, John. The only thing I would add is
That is level 34.09. So it isn't your HFS that is back leveled, it is your
loadlib that is forward leveled. Again... some sort of maintenance
screw up, or a manual copy of a higher level into your loadlib that
GIMSMP is being picked up from. Which brings up a point... Since you
say there
It worked like a charm sir!
Thanks
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Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Sort Multiple Files in One Step
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From:
Paul Gilmartin asked:
And why are terminal data sets (DSN(*)) converted to
upper case, no matter what I do?
and then provided an example of _data_ contained in a
terminal data set being folded to upper case.
Well, WHY is for the same reason I previously stated:
because TSO was written, in
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of William H. Blair
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 5:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Enhanced JCL processor? (and maybe a few other thoughts)
Paul Gilmartin asked:
And why are
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:24:18 -0500, William H. Blair wrote:
Why was it written that way? ...
(paraphrasing) They broke the software to match badly
designed hardware. Well, yeah, character generator
ROMs were expensive. But the instant dual case appeared,
it should have induced a requirement on
We have an application written in C that has begun to run long. The
application support team feels some LE storage tuning could help (it
improved their CICS response time when done last year). We're also going to
look at XPLINK and I was asked how much improvement that could expect.
They
Pat
USS functions can be described in the following terms:
- Inbound: the analysis and conversion of text into a formatted request
- Outbound: the selection of messages explaining where the analysis failed or
substitution of the response to the formatted request with text[but see 1]
In the
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:05:30 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote:
And I also agree that 'djflajfasljkdf' should be ASIS, so that IF I have
to allocate a DOS DSN on a shared volume, I CAN from within a TSO
session. But I am instead forced to use JCL and do it there as
DSN='PAYROLL run for
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:05:22 -0400, Hillock, Timothy wrote:
Ok,I think that I know what the errors are.
You spelt SYMBOL2 as SYSBOL2 in the parm statement.
Good catch. The IBM support person also missed it. But no
matter; even absent the typo, JCL fails to perform the substitution.
However,
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:12:24 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
And all of that could easily be solved with a new ASIS parameter for
the TSO ALLOC ... DA(*) command, although I agree with you that the
chances of such a change being made are slim and none, and slim went out
to lunch.
I'd be
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