Re: SEs History Lessons (was: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?)

2009-06-07 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:43:38 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: -- 40+yrs virtualization exerience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (Or something like that.) Thank you for sharing - once again I learned

Re: EXEC above the bar

2009-06-07 Thread john gilmore
Paul Gilmartin's notion that HLASM won't let him create a program more than 16 megabytes in size is a vile canard. The HLASM is guiltless in this matter. It is the Linkage Editor that interdicts load modules that are more than sixteen megabytes in size. (Moreover, this is not hot news;

Re: job started with SUB=MSTR without the owner information

2009-06-07 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tommy Tsui wrote: Yes I did, I already defined STDATA field and the user is assigned to APPC at starting but why I still can't find the owner field infromation at SDSF? I just IPLed our MVS60 system running z/OS 1.10. On the log, I see: |IEF695I START APPC WITH JOBNAME APPC IS

Re: Wait under CICS

2009-06-07 Thread Edward Jaffe
Andy Robertson wrote: [snip] ILBOWAT0 and BPX1SLP are AFAIK not useable under CICS, nor are things like STIMER WAIT If a CICS PROGRAM entry specifies OPENAPI, indicating the program is threadsafe, then implied WAITs should have no ill effects. It's only code that runs on the old, single

Re: job started with SUB=MSTR without the owner information

2009-06-07 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:58:10 +0800, Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote: but one of audit report shows that an invalid user try to access the APPC with ?? jobid and userid...I don't know how to answer our auditor ? What, exactly, does the audit report say? Does it say someone tried to

IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:16:40 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: ... when IEFBR14 is used to delete a data set ... Haven't we agreed here that IEFBR14 doesn't delete data sets? Hasn't IBM learned this yet? To my way of thinking, the statement in the preview is correct and accurate. (Almost) Everyone at

Re: RACF - CLASS(PROGRAM)

2009-06-07 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 19:12:35 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Walt Farrell pisze: [...] I agree with the others that you really need to explore what your auditors are intending to accomplish, and provide some education to them. (This is semi off-topic, since it is - let's say -

Re: SEs History Lessons (was: Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?)

2009-06-07 Thread P S
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Arthur Gutowskiaguto...@ford.com wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:43:38 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: -- 40+yrs virtualization exerience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (Or

Re: SEs History Lessons

2009-06-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
zosw...@gmail.com (P S) writes: Actually HONE was Hands-On Network Environment, not Experience. At least, that's what I was always told, and Google seems to support it, albeit only 41 to 13. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#26 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX? yes,

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/07/2009 10:00:30 AM: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:16:40 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: ... when IEFBR14 is used to delete a data set ... Haven't we agreed here that IEFBR14 doesn't delete data sets? Hasn't IBM learned this yet? To my

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is exactly 'IEFBR14', and if so, for migrated data sets whose DISP is DELETE, it simply HDELETEs them without HRECALLing

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is exactly 'IEFBR14', and if so, for migrated data sets whose DISP is DELETE, it simply HDELETEs them without HRECALLing them. IMO, this sounds like a kludge. - Too busy driving

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Scott Barry
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/07/2009 10:00:30 AM: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:16:40 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: ... when IEFBR14 is used to delete a data set ... Haven't we agreed here that

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is exactly 'IEFBR14', and

Re: SEs History Lessons

2009-06-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#26 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#35 SEs History Lessons Early on, the HONE cp67 systems, deployed csc/vm cp67 (large body internal/csc changes) with a subset of the H system updates. Before 370

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:38 -0500 on 06/07/2009, Scott Barry wrote about Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar): On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/07/2009 03:38:38 PM: The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is exactly 'IEFBR14', and if so, for migrated data sets whose DISP is DELETE, it simply

Re: IEFBR14 (was: EXEC Above the Bar)

2009-06-07 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/07/2009 03:26:19 PM: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: The enhancement in z/OS 1.11 is that Batch Allocation/Unallocation processing is checking to see if the program name is exactly 'IEFBR14', and if so,

Re: IEFBR14 in z/OS R.11

2009-06-07 Thread Martin Packer
IDCAMS would be another one. (That was my reaction when I first heard of this.) But note both of these are MUCH harder because that would require reading of SYSIN - perhaps from data sets. Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584

LUC MARTENS is out of the office.

2009-06-07 Thread Luc Martens (KBC)
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